Motorways in Ireland
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They could go N7 Westbound until the Monastery road interchange, double back and access M50 Northbound that way.
yeah thats possible alright Andrew but it doesn’t look all that safe to get to right hand lanes, you’d be looking for drivers to let you out at peak times ?
The 2nd photomontage shows turnpike …
Two things of note on that article
1) “the road will not connect with the N11” – nice to see RTÉ is concerned only with the road that runs past Montrose rather than pointing out that it will meet with the M9 to facilitate traffic that goes on to Waterford.2) “the cost has been estimated at €2bn” – it was €1bn last week – where the hell do they pluck these figures from ‘ah sure what’s another billion euro anyway’ – bonkers
I think by virtue of its proposed connection to M7 it would be ok as the M7/M9 junction is on the Newbridge bypass section which would be plugged in. Why a town with a population of 75,000 people needs a motorway connection to another settlement 90 miles away was never clear to me though!
€2bn is a lot of money and Bremore would not be served. The three words Hair, Brained and Trim stick out on this one!
Just out of curiosity, why do you think it’s a hare-brained scheme?
Seems like an eminently logical project to me and it even appears to have the support of Eamon Ryan of the Greens.The €800m upgrade of the M50 for starters, the fact that it starts 10 miles north of Bremore for seconds, the fact that there is very little in the way of rail investment planned for thirds. The list goes on
Ten miles north of Bremore is hardly an issue. Presumably you would link in the possible port on the motorway, which should take all of around nine/ten minutes to traverse.
Building it running in to Bremore will lead to exactly the same problem we have with the M50 whereby it is to close to the city and becomes a distributor road instead of a ring road.
Also, I don’t believe the road will be anywhere near Drogheda for exactly the same reasons. The likely location would be somewhere halfway between Drogs and Balbriggan.
The investment in trains issue is a complete red herring. Nobody is suggesting that money shouldn’t go into rail but why not attempt to have a First World motorway network as well.
Even from the point of view of safety, the benefits are huge. Since construction on the M1 finished, fatalities on the main Dublin to Belfast road have more than halved. That has been the same situation across the country where very poor roads have been replaced by dual carriageways/motorways.10 miles is a huge issue if you have to drive ten miles further north, ten miles south and repeat the exercise on the return leg. 40 miles is close on an hour in HGV terms and would increase greenhouse gas emmisions condsiderably.
Bottom line this is not a well considered proposal and does not dovetail with other proposals that it should have been defferential to. It is an exercise in crayon ‘n map design.
When the M50 upgrade is complete then it will be time to talk about the overall transport requirements of the GDA and east coast region; so many times rail investment is cleared on a ten year window but these projects invariably fall further and further off the radar screen whilst crackpot schemes such as the M3 and M9 complete.
If Dublin is to have any ambition it needs to break the mould of thinking like a regional City and think like a Capital and place the centre of the city first.
I’m not aware of any detailed route proposal, bar RTE’s back of a beer mat scribble shown on the news.
There’s little doubt it will link in to Bremore.@PVC King wrote:
Why a town with a population of 75,000 people needs a motorway connection to another settlement 90 miles away was never clear to me though!
To bypass the large settlement of 1m perhaps? It doesn’t make sense that a truck travelling from Belfast to Cork/Limerick/Waterford/Galway should travell via Dublin and the M50
I was talking about Wataford but significance of the flows of traffic from the South to the North are greatly overstated and Trucks from Belfast to Galway would always use a routing via Armagh, Cavan and either Athlone or Roscommon. What is equally understated is the decrepid state of the rail network excluding the DART; rail and high density development on the existing brownfield sites within the M50 in Dublin and Docklands in Cork should see the majority of transport budget going forward. The problem in Ireland is not moving freight it is getting to work!
The proposed outer “C” Motorway linking Naas to Drogheda will probably be build.
How about building this and at the same time run a railway line parallel linking the mail Cork Line with to the Sligo Line then connecting with the Belfast line. Could run rail traffic from North to south bypassing Dublin. If the new port is ever built in North Co Dublin, it would be an easier job of moving freight from road to rail.
Even if the railway is not built with the motorway, creating the permanent way for such a future rail project might be worth considering. Mad????
PVC King wrote:I was talking about Wataford but significance of the flows of traffic from the South to the North are greatly overstated and Trucks from Belfast to Galway would always use a routing via Armagh, Cavan and either Athlone or Roscommon. What is equally understated is the decrepid state of the rail network excluding the DART]It’s ludicrous though when you travel down roads like the n52 which twists and turns and you meet a queue of NI reg’d trucks trying to cut across to the N4, you also meet Irish reg’d trucks which are using these unsuitable roads and being blocked in small towns. But it’s not just trucks but also cars.
As a rail commuter I agree whole heartedly about the decrepid state of the network and the area within the M50 should be high density. BUT – with the wholesale development that has gone on already and the lack of political will (and NImbyism) the genie is alreay out of the bottle and getting it back in is highly unlikely as is illustrated by the govt’s being hell bent on building the M3 commuter motorway and not even including the emininetly sensible outer ring road in T21.
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