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So the minister wants a Preservation Order placed on the house by DCC. It’s not DCC’s job, it’s the minister’s, following an Oireachtas debate. Which begs the question, will they come back early from their summer break to debate this? And the further questions, has he read the relevant legislation and does he know the duties of his office?
The following is cut-and-pasted from my post to a previous thread on Protected Structures:
FROM NAT MONS ACT 1930 (courtesy of our good friends at the Statute Book site)-
8.—(1) Where it appears to the Minister, on a report made by the Advisory Council or otherwise, that a monument which in his opinion is a national monument is in danger of being or is actually being destroyed, injured, or removed, or is falling into decay through neglect, the Minister may by order (in this Act referred to as a preservation order) entrust the preservation of such monument to the Commissioners.
(2) The Minister may at any time, by order made after consultation with the Advisory Council, revoke a preservation order.
(3) Every preservation order and every order revoking a preservation order shall be laid before each House of the Oireachtas as soon as may he after it is made, and if a resolution is passed by either House of the Oireachtas within the next twenty-one days on which such House has sat annulling such order, such order shall be annulled accordingly but without prejudice to the validity of anything previously done thereunder.
Amazingly, up until quite recently Moore street was being marketed as a tourist attraction. Things have however changed irrevocably since then. The Ilac centre doesn’t help obviously, but despite it’s construction, Moore st continued to trade successfully.
I actually believe a walkway from O’Connell street ( And and Improved link between it and the Dunnes Stores entrance on Henry St ) would open it up more, and if the traders hang on in there they could see an upturn in trade. Moore steet kinda gets lost in the crowds of Henry Street at the moment.
I believe products carried by the stall holders these days reflect the etnic nature of the area which is pretty cool, but the problem here is that we traditionally don’t mix well in these areas so getting the Dubliners back onto the street has to be a priority..
Does anyone know/have images of what was originally on the site of the Ilac? I belive there was network of small streets but I’ve little info on them..
Yeah, there was a warren of small laneways and open markets – little widenings of the lanes where the buildings contents spilled out onto the streets – traditionally an area for buying shoes which is why they were relocated to the Parnell St side of the ILAC. I think there was a continuation of Liffey Street as well…
You can have no idea how run down that warren of lanes off Moore St was for many years pre ILAC.
Full of derelict premises, with second hand traders (of low, low quality old clothes) in some of them, there are several rather touristy photos of them in some of the books about Dublin in the 1950’s and 1960’s – usually with old dears in shawls to give some perspective. This was how it usually was, not the folk park image of Ireland, but the real and poor run down innner city.
The shoe vendors were there too, close to Moore St.Yes, Moore Street was, and perhaps still is, one of the recommended sights of Dublin for tourists, one which must have been strange for most continental visitors who have similar and better markets. Perhaps much was aimed at the Americans, who doubtless found it quaint after the A&P.
I agree on this when you go to markets on the continent they are very professional in comparison to Irish markets (excluding the Peoples Park in Dun Laoghaire) with best quality fresh produce sold which is often far superior to that found in shops and hypermarkets. What was in this area of Dublin pre Ilac was probably very poor and was always going to be cleared given the time that was in it.
The Ilac centre for me was a complete failure the linkages provided were very poor when one considers that a Liffey St to King Inns St link would have been possible and the existance of such low quality retail space as the shoe stalls really does to my mind sum up the lack of forsight in its design.
Something tells me the same mistake won’t be made twice
I think the area was generally referred to as Cole`s Lane and was as some have described a rather Dickensian aspect to Dublin.
The dealers there were exactly that ….Dealers and some would have also traded in the Daisy Market which was adjacent to the present Fruit,Veg and Fish market.
The daisy had a somewhat more eclectic mix of stock and was a needle to anchor market in comparison to Cole`s lanes Haute Coteure…..
However all of these markets were REAL places catering for a REAL need as our distribution of available wealth was somewhat narrower than at present.
Hand-me-Downs and buying second hand were simply ordinary parts of everyday life and conducted in a suitably businesslike manner….. :rolleyes:Dublin Council votes to protect Rising HQ in Moore Street
07:47 Tuesday December 6th 2005
Dublin City Council has voted unanimously to protect the house used as the final headquarters of the leaders of the 1916 Rising.
Developers had wanted to demolish 16 Moore Street as part of a plan to transform the area into a huge shopping complex.The move sparked a campaign to save the building, which was built in 1763 and had fallen into serious disrepair.
Last night, Dublin councillors voted to add the building and three adjoining houses to the list of protected structures as recommended in a architects’ report.
The leaders of the 1916 Rising eventually surrendered from 16 Moore Street after being forced to flee the nearby GPO, which was on fire following several days of heavy bombardment.
I am pleased to hear that this particular building is being saved. I don’t understand why they want to build another shopping complex here as there are already two big ones (Jervis/ILAC) close by. I presume this complex you mention is separate to the ILAC.
They could always incorporate the perserved (or soon to be preserved) buildings into the design, like up at the National Gallery.
Has anyone been down Moore Street recently?
It has a much changed feel once you get beyond the entrance to the ILAC with quite tall new buildings on all three sides relative to what was there only a short while ago. I really don’t like Jury’s as a building but the new section of the Ilac is inoffensive as is the IVY something scheme on the site of the former Waldons Garage from this vista.
Anyone else noticed the difference?
Anyone see the ever derepit run down state of Thomas Street and James Street, Dublin. I’ve mentioned this here time and time again over the years and there is still no improvement with these potentially fine streets.. What a great historical area, with such fine landmarks as St Augustine and St John’s Church, St Catherine’s Church (where they hung Robert Emmet), the great Guinness brewery, the NCAD, St James Hospital etc….This vein also attarcts thousands of visiters each year as the tourists make their trek to Guinness’s.
Over the years shops that were icons to the area have closed, ie Fitzgeralds jeans shop (where Christy Moore bought an odd pair of dungarees ) and the latest victim to suffer Frawleys. Gilnas, the opticians, are the only shop on this block now. What is going on here? There is nothing but closed shops. Is there a protection racket in the area, I wonder? The shops that remain are kinda huckstery and tawdry. Come on Dublin City Council, make an effort and give this area of the city the attention it deserves. There have been great improvements with North King Street with the HARP project over the years, why not do the same here. It is disgracful really to see the condition of this prime inner capital city area in such a run down state especially in Celtic Tiger Ireland. You can se the look of bewilderment too on the tourist faces.
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