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    • #710592
      Anonymous
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      Construction of Tensile Roof Structure over existing open market area, Restaurant and Mezzanine Floor and other modifications and associated works.

      This planning proposal has been successful with both the City Council and with An Bord Pleanála.

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    • #807765
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      History Snippet

      John’s Gate and Mungret Gate gave access to a wider hinterland than the island gates, and were probably the location of the biggest markets. Street names such as Cabbage Street and White Wine Lane (where white wine was the colloquial name for milk) suggest the location of markets. Again the date at which the names were applied is unknown and may reflect seventeenth and eighteenth century activities for which there is corroborative evidence.

      The Milk Market, formally a corn market, is the only open market area to survive. Located under the town wall, just within Mungret Gate, this enclosure illustrates the influence the gates had on the topography of the town. Every Saturday this market area, probably mediaeval in origin and protected by an ancient law, is still the scene of a busy market where Limerick citizens can buy the freshly grown produce of local farmers and market gardeners.

      Book ~ The Building of Limerick ~ Judith Hill (1991)

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    • #807766
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      History Snippet

      Described in 1865 by a German visitor as ‘having almost nothing to be seen but old clothes hung up for sale, swinging in the wind; in front, in the quadrangle, was the principal commercial article, buttermilk, brought here in large pails on donkey-carts and drunk by the thirsty populace from large tin bowls’.

      The market place in 1906 had changed little. Built in 1829 in Cornmarket Row, the enclosed market remains one of the city’s most colourful attractions.

      Book ~ Limerick in old picture postcards~ Jim Kemmy / Larry Walsh (1997)

      Limerick Museum: see original

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    • #807767
      Anonymous
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      State of Dereliction (late 1970’s)

      Despite its run down appearance then, the Saturday market day was always well visited.

      Limerick Museum: see original

    • #807768
      Anonymous
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      Conservation ~ Restoration (1994)

      Architects Murray O’Laoire

      Conservation and restoration of an existing historic building for use as a retail market space, providing for 17 permanent shops and 30 covered or open stalls in the courtyard.

      The project was exhibited in the 1994 RIAI Regional Awards and published in the catalogue the ‘Preservation of the European Commission Architectural Heritage’ 1992.

      In 1998, the project received a Commendation in the RIAI Conservation Medal Award for the period 1987-1992.

      The regional and touristic importance of the market is emphasised by it’s continuing use as a weekly general market with an emphasis on horticultural produce from small holders, including fruit, vegetables, plants, home-made foods etc. This is of particular interest and attraction to visitors, tourists and compliments the recent completion of nearby urban renewal restoration and tourism projects, including the Arthur’s Quay Centre, Park and Tourist Office, together with Cruises Street.

      The overall concept is one of faithful restoration of the original form of the market as far as possible. However, the new pattern of uses such as the lock-up shops and the more formal layouts of the stalls in the courtyard and the more public use of the market house will have physical implications. The design, detailing and selection of materials was handled in a subtle and sensitive way so that the original ambience of the market was retained.

    • #807769
      Anonymous
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      @CologneMike wrote:

      State of Dereliction (late 1970’s)

      Despite its run down appearance then, the Saturday market day was always well visited.

      Limerick Museum: see original

      Just looking at the full size image, it would appear that it was taken some time between 1989 and 1991:eek:. If you look closely you can see that Arthur’s Quay has been completed in the background and also just visible in the centre background, is the Denmark Street area pre-Cruises Street.

      Im not old enough to remember what the city was like in the late 80s/early 90s but the scale of dereliction in this image is pretty shocking. Its unfortunate though that a couple of fine buildings along the Robert Street side of the market were sacrifificed as part of that awful cornmarket square development!:rolleyes:

      It would be interesting to see more images of the city from this period, just as the urban renewal scheme was kicking in.

    • #807770
      Anonymous
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      The fragments of 18th / 19th century streetscape that remain in the vicinity of the Milk Market retain a lot of character.


      ‘The Round House’ corner is a particular gem.


      . . . but most of the ’80s and 90s stuff is truely hopeless

    • #807771
      Anonymous
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      @Tuborg wrote:

      @CologneMike wrote:

      State of Dereliction (late 1970’s)

      Despite its run down appearance then, the Saturday market day was always well visited.

      Limerick Museum: see original

      Just looking at the full size image, it would appear that it was taken some time between 1989 and 1991:eek:. If you look closely you can see that Arthur’s Quay has been completed in the background and also just visible in the centre background, is the Denmark Street area pre-Cruises Street.

      Tuborg, you are right, I see the Arthur’s Quay Shopping Centre now. 😮

      Hmmm the museum catalogued it as early 1975 / late 1990.

      @gunter wrote:

      The fragments of 18th / 19th century streetscape that remain in the vicinity of the Milk Market retain a lot of character.

      ‘The Round House’ corner is a particular gem.

      A nice shot Gunter, looking down High Street towards the market. One could imagine ‘Mungret Gate’ and the city walls at the bottom.

      . . . but most of the ’80s and 90s stuff is truely hopeless

      An understatement!

      The Cornmarket multi-storey car park or the poor refurbishment of the Watergate flats complex spring to mind.

    • #807772
      Anonymous
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      @gunter wrote:

      The fragments of 18th / 19th century streetscape that remain in the vicinity of the Milk Market retain a lot of character.

      ‘The Round House’ corner is a particular gem.

      . . . but most of the ’80s and 90s stuff is truely hopeless

      Redevelopment has by and large proved to be a dismal failure alright! Its such a pity because the area around the market, watergate, even stretching down to the art college, has enormous potential as a cultural/entertainment quarter.

      At the moment, its just a haphazard mess of extraordinarily dull office & apartment buildings, industrial warehousing etc. But with a bit of vision and possibly an urban design competition, the area could be transformed! Unfortunately though, you wont find much vision in Limerick City Council.:(

      I suppose one can only hope that the opera centre might prove to be a catalyst for the rejuvenation of the wider area, provided it gets off the ground of course!

    • #807773
      Anonymous
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      @CologneMike wrote:

      Tuborg, you are right, I see the Arthur’s Quay Shopping Centre now. 😮

      Hmmm the museum catalogued it as early 1975 / late 1990.

      Yeah they often get their dates mixed up, but its to be expected I suppose, given the volume of material in the online catalogue.

      Photographs of the market and surrounding area are hard enough to come by, but I found this one, dated between 1968-1972.

      Photograph, b/w print. In the Streets, Limerick; by Ursula Hutt, 1968-72. In perspex frame. View looking up High Street, from pavement of Mungret St., opposite Milk Market. Feathery Burke’s shop on corner on right side of High St., on left name only partly visible, .. urley/ Victualler. Cars parked down High Street and that part of Cornmarket Row which is visible. Street and pavements wet with rain.”

      City Museum

    • #807774
      Anonymous
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      Green light for Market plan

      Marie Hobbins

      IT’S now official…work on the promised major refurbishment of Limerick’s Milk Market will get underway no later than September.

      With full planning permission secured and the one appeal against the development turned down by An Bord Pleanala, business man and member of the Market Trustees, David O’Mahony, has confirmed to the Limerick Post that they are in the process of finalising the documentation to go to tender.

      “We are looking at no later than September to commence, with completion by March or April. The work involved is pretty straightforward – phase one will be the removal of the old cobbles and the installation of groundwork facilities – water, electricity, stalls, etc and then move to phase two, which will be tensile roof structure”. Asked if it is necessary to remove the centuries old cobbles, he pointed out that regulations applicable to the trade of food produce call for certain requirements and standards to comply with Health and Safety standards.

      “There are new obligations on traders and greater expectations of customers in this area,” he said.

      Confirming that the market will close during the period of development, Mr O’Mahony, who ruled out the Potato Market as an alternative temporary market site, revealed the traders will be relocated to an alternative site within the locality.

      “There will also have to be some readjustment for the casual traders – those traders who operate in the designated area outside the walls of the Milk Market and Limerick City Council, which has responsibility for these traders, are currently looking at this – the council is being very attentive to all the interests in the area”. He gave a firm assurance that the finance is in place for the project.

      Limerick Chamber chief executive, Maria Kelly, who is also secretary of the Market Trustees, said the redevelopment will offer six-day opening, a much wider range of facilities, stalls, produce, arts and crafts, specialities and daily attractions for shopper.,

      “It will trigger huge interest in this part of the city – the potential there is amazing and while there will still be an open air feel to it, the tensile roof structure will offer protection from the elements.

      “Despite the delays involved in getting the Opera retail Development up and running, the good news from the developers is that they are one hundred per cent behind it and when it does get underway, both developments will flow into each other. City Council is looking at this area in terms of the public realm and is working closely with us.”

    • #807775
      Anonymous
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      It will be interesting to see how the future market will shape out.

      It seems the trend for whole, organic and delicatessen food produce will be characteristic under the planned tensile roof.

      What will happen to the “old traditional stalls” of local produce like cabbages, turnips, carrots, parsnips?

      Looking at some of the images below its amazing to see how much stall space is lost to vans, cars, trailers on market day.

      It also seems a lot of the shop units in the walls of the market remained closed inside and only open to the street outside.

      Will this change?

      It is interesting that the market can be broken into three sections.

      • The Limerick City Council regulates the street stalls on Cornmarket Row, Robert Street, Carr Street and in front of the Watergate Flats.
      • A number of the units in the Market walls are privately owned.
      • The Limerick Market Trustees regulates the market stalls within the walls and I presume own some of the units as well.

      Will they all pull together?

      Photos from Munsterbuiness.ie

    • #807776
      Anonymous
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      MILK MARKET MAKE-OVER UNDERWAY IN COMING WEEKS (live95fm)

      28 October 2009

      Limerick City Centre has been given a major boost with the announcement that the re-development of the Milk Market is due to begin in the coming weeks.

      The 2 million euro project will be done in three phases with the works expected to be completed by the summer of next year.

      The Milk Market is one of the oldest in the country and when completed will become a 6 day market.

      Chairman of Limerick Market Trustees David O’Mahony is confident the upgrade will lead to benefits for the entire city. . . Hear audio

      Hmmmm. . . . originally the Milk Market was to get underway no later than September. 😉

    • #807777
      Anonymous
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      I saw that in today’s paper. It’s a pity that it’ll have to be closed during the construction, but great that it’ll result in a 6-day market. Does anybody have any images of what the new development will look like?

    • #807778
      Anonymous
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      @CologneMike wrote:

      MILK MARKET MAKE-OVER UNDERWAY IN COMING WEEKS

      Hmmmm. . . . originally the Milk Market was to get underway no later than September. 😉

      We can only hope that work does indeed get going as soon as possible because my god does the city centre need a boost!:(

      Take a look at the proposed project timeline here

    • #807779
      Anonymous
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      Will this not just result in it becoming some sort of grotty little mini-shopping mall?

      Surely it will lose the very traits that make it an attraction at present?

    • #807780
      Anonymous
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      @KeepAnEyeOnBob wrote:

      Will this not just result in it becoming some sort of grotty little mini-shopping mall?

      Surely it will lose the very traits that make it an attraction at present?

      I would hope it would take on a role like the indoor market in Cork, can’t remember what it’s called.

    • #807781
      Anonymous
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      @KeepAnEyeOnBob wrote:

      Will this not just result in it becoming some sort of grotty little mini-shopping mall?

      Surely it will lose the very traits that make it an attraction at present?

      I’m kinda disappointed by this as well. Thought it’d just be the same set up – ie stalls and vans etc with a beautiful tensile roof soaring above. Ah well – maybe its just the terrible quality of those images.

    • #807782
      Anonymous
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      In fairness, you can’t judge the merits of any project based on renders alone, be they good or bad! Admittedly the images above don’t look too inspiring but Im willing to wait for the roof to go up before making a call. Hopefully we won’t end up with something that resembles a circus tent anyway! 😮

      The simple facts are that the Milk Market is not fulfilling its potential currently and surely anything that seeks to maximise it’s attractiveness has to be welcomed? Is it not better to give this plan a go rather than doing nothing at all?

    • #807783
      Anonymous
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      Ah yeah its great for this to be goin ahead – might make the market a bit more of a real fixture in the life of the city. Just suprised that they were building anything inside the structure.

    • #807784
      Anonymous
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      @foinse wrote:

      I would hope it would take on a role like the indoor market in Cork, can’t remember what it’s called.

      Presume you mean the English market… I dont think this will be the case. In Cork this market is accessible from Patrick St,Grand Parade and Oliver Plunkett St… so is really in the heart of things – the Milk market would want to be located off Thomas st to have same availability to passing shoppers. Still though it doesnt have copy another market to work – it just not a great time for any business in the city centre at the moment!

    • #807785
      Anonymous
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      I wouldn’t worry about the style of the Milk Market changing. I have a friend who works at a stall in the Milk Market and the only thing she said was that business would be moving to Ellen street for about a year, and then after the renovations are done its back to the Milk Market. I’m fairly confident it’ll remain a ‘stall market.’

    • #807786
      Anonymous
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      Yeah the stalls are being moved to Ellen Street from the instore corner upwards and onto Carr Street aswell. Pretty drab and dreary surroundings but it has to be done I suppose!

      Limerick’s Milk Market plan gets off the ground (Limerick Leader)

      THE Milk Market, which attracts traders from across the county and beyond, will temporarily move to nearby Ellen Street in the city as construction work is set to begin.
      From November 7 next, the market will literally move on to the street as contractors L & M Keating Ltd move on site for the €2m development project.

      Limerick’s Milk Market is one of the oldest in the country, dating back to 1852, and by next year will become a six-day market, rather than operating for six hours each Saturday.

      Under the new plans it will see it facilities upgraded to benefit traders, shoppers and the economy of the greater Limerick area.

      It is estimated that the newly upgraded facility will have the potential to increase footfall at the Milk Market by over 50 per cent per week when it reopens in mid-2010. It is also planned to make this historic venue available for other events such as Christmas markets, food fairs and classical concerts.

      David O’Mahony, chairman of the Market Trustees, said their aim is to have the Milk Market recognised as the “outstanding example of best practice in market operations in Ireland and beyond.” The opening of the market next year is expected to be “a national event”, and those in the food industry, including Darina Allen and Minister for Food Trevor Sargent, have supported the ideals behind the new market.

      A seasonal calendar of events and stalls for the market is now being prepared, which will see a diversity of new and old traders attend on different days of the week, excluding Monday when the market will be closed.

      However, some traders and regular visitors have concerns about the impact this modernation will have. Clarina resident and artist Jim O’Farrell, who has sketched numerous scenes of the market, is encouraging all Limerick people to “come out on Saturday and see the old market for the last time.”

    • #807787
      Anonymous
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      Picture from the Limerick Post digital edition of the new canopy being installed last weekend.

      The structure is now in place. Apparently it’s the largest single support canopy in the country. The supporting column that props up the roof is 79 feet (25m) tall and weighs 5 tonnes.

    • #807788
      Anonymous
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      Newer shots here from CCSL

    • #807789
      Anonymous
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      a couple of more shnaps from this morning…

      Jury is out I think until its finished — I thought the canopy would be more see through …hope they have lots and lots of evil chemicals impregnated in the material to stop green stuff growing… nice and white now… a couple of years of Limerick rain might take the shine off… the centre pole is also at a jaunty angle…
      Bring on the dancing horses!!!

    • #807790
      Anonymous
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      wonder how it’s going to cope with sudden downpours. Wouldn’t like to be standing at the edge!

    • #807791
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      wet i would imagine….. 🙂

    • #807792
      Anonymous
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      @WelshinLimerick wrote:

      wonder how it’s going to cope with sudden downpours. Wouldn’t like to be standing at the edge!

      @Paul Clerkin wrote:

      wet i would imagine….. 🙂

      Hmmm . . . . . maybe Frei Otto’s “brollies” from the Tanzbrunnen would suit our Irish climate better and keep our shoulders dry?

      Any up to date images of the WIP about, especially from inside?

    • #807793
      Anonymous
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      The new top doesn’t seem very smart to me.
      Little or no light coming through.
      No full cover.
      Mini huts within it, all presumably using artificial light.

      Some similar markets abroad use glass roofing.
      Used here it would afford natural lighting and more air space above activities.

      I know — it’s a bit late now . . .. 😉

    • #807794
      Anonymous
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      Limerick Milk Market Goes Under Cover (Vals Kitchen)

      Today was the last day that the traders at the Milk Market in Limerick will be selling on the open streets outside since the market began its big refurb last year. It’s been a controversial move, putting a roof on it, a good looking one at that. The old cobbles are gone, as is the open air. It’s easy to grumble about this when I’m not a market trader and don’t have to stand there from dawn after probably not having had any sleep and travelling miles to sell my goods. Next Saturday, June 19th will be the first day of trading under the roof and the market will have new opening hours too. No doubt the day will attract all manner of murmuring and hopefully lots of the loyal customers and great traders that make the Milk Market the thriving hot spot it is.

      To mark the change I went walkabout to snap a few producers, traders and head-the-balls.

      I stumbled onto this via Bock’s blog. Nice photos Val, Bock! 😎

      Here is a peep from under the covered market. Opening for trading is next Saturday, June 19th.

      See more Milk Market posts from “Bock The Robber”.

    • #807795
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      New-look Milk Market to be unveiled in Limerick this Saturday after €2m redevelopment (Limerick Leader)

      By Kevin Cronin

      THE NEW-LOOK Milk Market will finally be unveiled this Saturday, when members of the public get a first glimpse of the €2 million redevelopment under a massive half-acre white canopy.

      The all-weather venue will feature four new shops and a new mezzanine seating area overlooking the market’s main courtyard, with electricity and water at all stall positions for the first time.

      David O’Mahony, Chairman of Limerick Market Trustees, said: “the Milk Market, which was established in 1852 and is amongst the oldest markets in the country, now has the most up-to-date facilities of any market in the land”.

      The new weekly line-up includes a new City Market on Fridays from 11am to 7pm; the Saturday “Famous Food Market” from 8am to 4pm; the “Riverside Variety Market” with arts and crafts, antiques and food every Sunday from 11am till 4pm; and a new “Flower and Garden Market” on Bank Holiday Mondays from 11am to 4pm.

      “These upgraded facilities have already attracted new, award-winning food producers to establish a full-time presence there. They have also enabled the roll-out of an extended programme of markets and events at the Milk Market,” Mr O’Mahony added.

      Two new businesses joining the Milk Market are Country Choice Delicatessen from Nenagh and Ponaire Coffee from Annacotty, who will start operating full-time retail outlets when the site re-opens.

      Long-established Milk Market traders, Sallymills Artisan Cakes and Desserts and Fleur de Sel Crêperie will expand their operations at the new Milk Market, alongside new additions like Knockara Patés, Quarrymount Free Range Meats and Spanish Point Sea Vegetables.

      “This level of commitment by such high-calibre food firms serves as a huge vote of confidence in the new Milk Market, particularly during the current economic climate,” Mr O’Mahony said.

      The refurbished Milk Market is widely seen as a huge leap forward in the economic recovery of Limerick and a significant boost to other businesses in the city centre.

      The distinctive white canopy, weighing 1.8 tonnes, is the biggest single-support canopy in Ireland and is held aloft by a 79-foot-high, five-tonne steel column. This is around the same height as an eight-storey building.

      As a six-day-a-week venue, the Milk Market will continue to add midweek markets to its programme of events, from antique and fashion shows to classical concerts and pet shows.

      Further information on the Milk Market’s constantly-updated offerings can be found on their newly-designed website: http://www.milkmarketlimerick.ie 😎

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    • #807796
      Anonymous
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      Excellent photos from today’s reopening of the market on Bock’s blog. 😎

    • #807797
      Anonymous
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      I see now why they put a canopy rather than a glass roof on it.:o

      Seems the rearrangement of stalls has resulted in more traders too.

    • #807798
      Anonymous
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      A hive of activity captured by Neville Gawley 😎

      See youtube

      05:15-08:37 of the first morning of the Limerick Milk Market under its new canvas roof.

    • #807799
      Anonymous
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      Wow looks great. Something for Limerick to be proud of there.

    • #807800
      Anonymous
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      Was in Limerick last w/end and went to market about 10am – place already packed and everybody,simply everybody in the place, very appreciative – I was actually surprised at how bright and spacious the space appears – I recall the enclosure seeming much more dark and poky in the old uncovered days.
      Very neat bit of work – once the marvellously high canopy with its inclined support is noted the rest is masterly understatement – a credit to all concerned in the realisation.
      Bought favorite goodies and left at 11am really having to push my way out with the crowds still coming in – never saw such attendance before!
      Mind you, good stalls left on the outer streets including books and clothes, but the move in by many seems to have allowed these to be more neatly consolidated along the immediate approaches creating a great overall ambiance and real sense of occasion to the market visit.
      Mind you – Saturday was one fine bright morning!
      Next time I’m down – it will undoubtably be raining – so a return will tell the tale on sustainable brightness and the anticipated side dripping!

    • #807801
      Anonymous
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      @Mike Kavanagh wrote:

      and the anticipated side dripping!

      There are chains in the corners for the the water to run down so there must be some system to funnel the water to these “downpipes”. Looking at Bocks pictures, there seems to be a raised lip around the edge of the canopy. Maybe this is a very discrete guttering system.

    • #807802
      Anonymous
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      Nice article in the ST yesterday about the market… tried to find the link online to the Culture section of the Irish version.. and failed so scans here… not sure about copywrite infringement… but seeing as I bought the paper then surely Im ok ???

      if anybody could tell me how to show these scans bigger – as in readable Id appreciate it… the files are on flickr
      I tried uploading direct from the pc earlier but that wasnt working today for some reason.

    • #807803
      Anonymous
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      Nationwide visits the Milk Market (RTE)

    • #807804
      Anonymous
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      @CologneMike wrote:

      It will be interesting to see how the future market will shape out. . . . . . . .

      It is interesting that the market can be broken into three sections.

      • The Limerick City Council regulates the street stalls on Cornmarket Row, Robert Street, Carr Street and in front of the Watergate Flats.
      • A number of the units in the Market walls are privately owned.
      • The Limerick Market Trustees regulates the market stalls within the walls and I presume own some of the units as well.

      Will they all pull together?

      Sadly the answer is no!!!!!! 😡

      Market fury as street traders get permission (Irish Examiner)

      By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent

      THE businessman who spearheaded the €2.5 million re-development of Limerick’s famed Milk Market has accused the city council of undermining the retail project – by allowing nearby street traders to compete at lower charges.

      As part of the re-development, a huge canopy measuring about a half acre was placed over the market square on a 79ft high mast.

      New retailing areas were also incorporated along with a balcony coffee shop.

      However, David O’Mahony, chairman of the Market Trustees who manage the market which dates back to 1852, said a decision of the city council to permit 35 stall holders to compete with the market traders by trading on nearby Ellen Street was undermining the viability of traders who pay to set up stalls in the market.

      Mr O’Mahony stormed out of a recent meeting with senior officials at City Hall, saying he was disgusted at the decision of the city council.

      Mr O’ Mahony, who runs one of the country’s biggest book stores on Limerick’s O’Connell Street, wants the council to suspend the trading licences issued to the traders on Ellen Street.

      He said: “They didn’t even have the courtesy to inform the market trustees. They are piggybacking on a significant investment we have made, and undermining the financial viability of the market by duplicating many of the offerings of the Milk Market on another nearby location.”

      Some traders, he said, had moved out of the Milk Market to trade on Ellen Street because the charge was lower. Others, he said, have been forced to duplicate their operations on Ellen Street.

      Mr O’Mahony said: “We have worked on this development for seven years with the City Council at every stage. I find it absolutely astonishing that they can conceive of a plan without talking to the people who have the biggest vested interest, particularly after a €2.5m investment.

      “I am horrified and pretty disgusted really. They don’t seem to realise that anything that is happening on the outside of the market will have a bearing on the inside.”

      Mr O’Mahony said that, for the first time in his business career, he walked out of a meeting when he discussed the issue at City Hall. He said: “They don’t seem to realise that it will significantly jeopardise the viability of the plan.”

      Mayor Maria Byrne, who is a market trustee, said the council was bound by a European directive to deliver a certain level of street-side market space.

      She said the new Milk Market was drawing huge numbers every Saturday morning and the public are appreciating what is on offer inside the market walls and on the nearby street

      I thought Ellen Street was just a temporary solution to facilitate the refurbishing of the Milk Market?

      Mayor Maria Byrne, who is a market trustee, said the council was bound by a European directive to deliver a certain level of street-side market space.

      Fair enough, but what ratio of street-side market space does the European directive state? (1:1 or 1:2 or 1:n?)

      So basically the Limerick City Council is increasing the overall size of the Market by adding Ellen Street to it?

      It really sucks that the Limerick City Council and Limerick Market Trustees can’t pull together. What’s the real storey here?

    • #807805
      Anonymous
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      I for one am glad to see the Ellen St. traders get permission. Without them, there would be significantly less of a market and it would be less worthwhile to bother going.

      At present there seem to be more stands and variety each week, which surely is only a good thing?

      Surely a bigger market will only attract *more* business, not less. I am reasonably sure that if the Ellen St. trading had been shut down, visitors to the market would have decreased.

    • #807806
      Anonymous
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      KeepAnEyeOnBob, fair enough but the Limerick Market Trustees have exposed themselves to a financial risk of €2.5 million by upgrading the market, whereas the Limerick City Council bought a few tins of paint to mark 35 slots for stalls on Ellen Street.

      Obviously it’s a delicate balancing act to get many things right like competition, quality, price, stall costs, overheads, sustainability regarding size and growth, etc, etc. The long term success of the Milk Market will hinge on all parties cooperating together.

      From what I read the redeveloped market has been a great success to date, it would be a shame if they screw up that hard won goodwill. If the Milk Market traders are starting to switch to Ellen Street then your concerns from a previous post could be fulfilled.

    • #807807
      Anonymous
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      Why not give the Market trustees the license over who can set up stalls outside the Market? Let them run the markets inside the market and outside it. I don’t think the issue is whether the stalls should be there, but rather the cost of the stalls. Let one overall group determine the cost and go from there.

      The Market Trustees would pay for the right to determine the cost and the council would save on various ancillary costs.

      This is typical of Limerick city council’s inability to work side-by-side with anybody.

    • #807808
      Anonymous
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      The question one should ask is why the plethora of stalls on Ellen St. many of which are very good are not utilising the Milk Market on Fridays and Sundays (and monthly Thursday craft fair) where the market trustees are finding it very difficult to fill the stalls even though they have slashed the rent on these days.On these days it is the stall holders that are losing money every week. More stalls on these days would drastically improve the economic life in the city all weekend.The renovated Milk Market needs to attract the people of Limerick throughout the week and not just be a place to buy dirty cabbage on a Saturday morning.

    • #807809
      Anonymous
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      while it would be great if the market was as busy on the other opening days as it is on Saturday mornings, I don’t think the Ellen Street traders take from the Milk Market itself at all. I just can’t see what they are getting worked up over. The market is thronged on a Saturday morning and the traders inside the walls are doing great business. I don’t think they’d do much better if the stalls on Ellen Street were taken away. If anything, the Ellen Street stalls enhance the market experience on a Saturday morning and the Milk Market benefits as a result.

    • #807810
      Anonymous
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      Architects Healy & Partners have updated their web site. See link

    • #807811
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      Limerick’s refurbished Milk Market wins top architecture award

      By Jimmy Woulfe, Mid-West Correspondent (Irish Examiner)

      Tuesday, July 12, 2011

      THE Aviva Stadium and more than 30 other architectural wonders have been toppled by a tent-like structure which shelters Limerick’s historic Milk Market.
      The iconic Limerick design has come in the top annual award design presented by the Royal Institute of Architects of Ireland (RIAI).

      Healy Architects, were last night presented the RIAI Public Choice Award for their canopy design which has transformed the Milk Market.

      The Aviva Stadium, the Long Room Hub at Trinity College and the Humanities and Social Science Building at NUI Maynooth were among the 37 landmark buildings short-listed for the prize.

      The redevelopment of the Limerick Milk Market, cost just under €2 million and came on time and within budget last year after 12 months.

      Its main feature is a cone-like cover, measuring about a half acre, which is supported by a 24m high central mast.

      The concept was originated by German architect Peter Peltz, who has since retired from Healy Architects.

      Managing partner Michael Healy sipped a cup of tea in the company offices in Limerick’s Glentworth Street yesterday and enthused: “I am a keen racing fan and this is as good as owning a horse winning at Cheltenham.”

      He said that Mr Peltz, his father-in-law, had developed similar structures in Munich for the Olympics when the city hosted the games.

      Mr Healy said: “We brought in Schlaich Bergermann, specialist structural engineers based in Stuttgart to develop the actual tensile structure.”

      L&M Keating of Kilmihill were the contractors.

      Mr Peltz, Mr Healy and colleagues Richard Rice, Ignacio Etechevery and Eoin O’Grady worked on the project after the firm were commissioned by the Limerick Market Trustees.

      Mr Healy, who also worked on the design of JP McManus’ €100m mansion at Martinstown Stud said: “This is a huge boost in these very challenging times and it is great to get this very prestigious award. It is a great boost for Limerick. The Milk Market should now act as a catalyst for the revival of the city centre, which has gone through some difficult times.”

      David O’Mahony, who a member of the Market Trustees was a major driving force for the project said: “It took six years to get the project from first concepts to completion. I think the market has completely transformed the attractiveness of the city centre and it is a design which has now got national recognition and it’s only a matter of time before it gets international acclaim.”

    • #807812
      Anonymous
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      I heard Richard Rice on the radio last week – seemingly Saturday visitors to the market have more than doubled since the re-opening. This award is well merited imho..and for 2 million euro money well spent.. Excellent photos on http://www.gerryandrews.com of the market from the 1970s.. article also in online Limerick Leader..

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