Metro R.I.P.
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Or… let’s not debate and just build the damn thing as set out in DTO’s platform for change. Enough is enough – the constant two-ing and fro-ing with consultant reports and studies… it’s maddening. There’s nothing to to be reported that hasn’t already been studied a thousand times.
I’m not concerned in what form the solution is delivered – so long as something is done. The problem is not going to go away, despite all the talking and consulting.Yeah a Metro’s not that cheap – yup – that’s called “INVESTMENT”. I think this government has a hard time separating investment from expenditure. Spend for now – invest for the future.
I’ll say it again. You invest for the future – and they way things are going – we ain’t gonna have a very bright one, but we’ll have a sea of reports to wade through.
It’s the fundamental problem with political leadership in this country, with all parties – just cover yourself for todayand let someone else deal with the resulting problems in the future.
Evident not least in the countless office blocks that the state is dishing out millions in leasing, when Government could have shown some forsight in the 70s & 80s and built them itself – instead of lining the pockets then and now of it’s developer-supporters.
Yeah – it reminds me of the courthouse in Cork. A fine building that was closed to be renovated outside and in. The City Council took ownership of the building – while court functions were held outside in another venue at a cost close to €1.5m per anum in rent etc.
The Council restored the facade years ago – it was up to the the Dept of Justice to take care of the interior. Several Years later – the place was still boarded up. Yup – lovely gleaming facade – mothballed inside.
Rather than spend the money at the time to do up the interior they preferred to spend millions vastly more than the original bill on rent in the intervening years. It was only local political pressure to do the job in time for cultural celebrations in 18 months time coupled with the fact that the City Council never formally handed the building back to the government that allowed this job to go ahead.
What should have cost very little has now ballooned (rent for the other venue isn’t going away either) and the City Council are paying for the job, leasing it back to the government over the next 20 years. That’s good fiscal management.Dublin may need a metro – but not to link it to the Airport. A very high proportion of people using the airport DON’T live in Dublin centre – they live in the suburbs and other parts of the country. They don’t want to have to go into the city centre and then take a metro having walked to wherever the metro terminus will be.
Another point that has been raised here is that the northern DART line is operating at capacity.
SOLUTION – run the Airport rail connection along a branch from the Maynooth line and extend that line to connect to the Northern line, north of Dublin Airport. Then you run all Drogheda / Dundalk / Belfast trains along this line through the Airport to Connolly. This leaves extra capacity on the DART line.
The primary advantage is that, for example, someone living in Belfast can be at Dublin airport in 1h45 without ever seeing the centre of Dublin.
This model works at Schipol airport. I was there recently and was able to hop on the inter-city network at the airport and go to Groningen without going near Amsterdam.
INAUGURATION OF SINGAPORE’S NORTH EAST LINE AUTOMATIC METROSingapore’s North East metro line was today inaugurated by Singapore Deputy Prime Minister, M. Lee Hsien Loong, in the presence of the Land Transport Authority (LTA) Chairman, M. Michael Lim, and M. Patrick Kron, Chairman and CEO of ALSTOM.The new 20-km underground line, the first automatic metro line in Singapore, comprises 16 stations. The contracts for the fully automatic train control system and the 25 x 6 car trainsets were awarded to ALSTOM in 1997 and 1998 respectively.The fully automatic metro system, the largest in the world in terms of passenger capacity, has been in passenger service since 20th June 2003. It has been described as the ‘way to go’ for public transportation by Hans Rat, secretary general of UITP, the international association of public transport. In a statement, the association predicted that more and more cities worldwide will follow Singapore’s recent example.In just over two months of service, the highly complex system has been running smoothly with a level of reliability of 99.5%, 97% schedule adherence within 2 minutes, and an average 150,000 passengers per day.ALSTOM is also supplying all the electrical and mechanical equipment, including the rolling stock for Singapore’s second automatic metro line, the Circle Line. Once completed, this will be the world’s longest automatic metro line, with 40 km.
http://mwprices.ft.com/custom/ft-com/story.asp?siteid=ft&dist=ft&guid=%7B274E5080%2DCB99%2D4F85%2D80C5%2D8894CC3B5FE0%7DI am sure that a future election promise of jet packs for pigs will precede completion of a similar project here.
How come nobody’s posted on this thread in so many years?
http://www.transport21.ie/Projects/Metro_-_Luas/Metro_North.html
It seems construction is planned to start on metro north in 2009
2013 (subject to planning and procurement processes)
what I find strange is that they tender before the public has even had there chance to have a say…
epretenders…
We will soon know if Ireland wants to call itself a knowledge nation of innovators..
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I heard on Newstalk this morning (when they read from the papers) that the Metro is going to be axed. WTF? I live in Swords and just received a notice from the RPA they said nothing about the Metro being axed. That would be a major strategic and economic goof, makes no sense. However I have a feeling the paper Newstalk were quoting from were talking a load of crap.
I saw that it could on the front page of one of the papers today but hopefully not…
either way I can use the same design twice;)
It’s highly unlikely that the metro was axed as it is the most important transport21 project. It is more likely that the luas city centre link up and extension to liffey junction was axed. Did they mention the name of the source? was it the homeless guy who hangs aroung Henry street shouting “the end is nigh”?:rolleyes:
It would be weird to cancel a construction heavy infrastructure project, particularly with the roads projects winding down as the inter-urban routes get completed.
The Daily (hate) Mail is a loathsome rag for rightwing little englanders and I wouldn’t believe a word they print even if they had a picture of a transport 21 memo with metro axed written on it. The sooner they fuck-off back to england the better – don’t forget bad news sells (bad) papers
@notjim wrote:
It would be weird to cancel a construction heavy infrastructure project, particularly with the roads projects winding down as the inter-urban routes get completed.
Not just that; contractors are going to be getting more and more competitive too. Perhaps not great for the employees, but good news for the delivery of infrastructure- the time is now, now more than ever. (There might even be money left over in T21 for cycling! :rolleyes:)
@cgcsb wrote:
It’s highly unlikely that the metro was axed as it is the most important transport21 project. It is more likely that the luas city centre link up and extension to liffey junction was axed. Did they mention the name of the source? was it the homeless guy who hangs aroung Henry street shouting “the end is nigh”?:rolleyes:
The Luas link up has already been shelved. That was revealed months ago. It’s been known for a while that the metro is a candidate for the axe, roads are more important apparently.
I agree that’s more likely but in a country where Govt politicians are looking over their shoulders don’t be surprised to see both shelved
@ctesiphon wrote:
Not just that; contractors are going to be getting more and more competitive too. Perhaps not great for the employees, but good news for the delivery of infrastructure- the time is now, now more than ever. (There might even be money left over in T21 for cycling! :rolleyes:)
bikes…
I asked for 2000 spaces at the green and 2000 o’con so if they connect the dots we should be covered…
Vote yes for missarchi i mean no…
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