LUAS in Harcourt Street (Update No.8)
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The tram did cross Nine Arches but I’ve not seen any pictures yet. In the meantime here’s one of the tram passing under the road bridge at Kilmacud Road in Dundrum. Just visible in the background is the Gannon Homes development by Conroy Crowe Kelly which has its very own stop !
Well done GC on pipping them all to the post !!!
JJ
The TV3 news last night had better coverage than RTE. It showed the tram crossing the nine arches bridge.
Blue,
They are check rails to prevent a derailed tram from striking the bridge abuttments. The trams will travel through here at almost full tilt….about 70kph.JJ
JJ Quote “The trams will travel through here at almost full tilt….about 70kph.”
Thats only about 45 MPH hardly a TGV or a maglev!!!
Diaspora quote:”Thats only about 45 MPH hardly a TGV or a maglev!!!”
Try getting the TGV to stop every 500m ! 😉
JJ Quote “Try getting the TGV to stop every 500m”
Thats why the French are one of the healthiest races in the world, there aren’t tram stops every 500m.
A higher capacity system with fewer stops was what was really required.
Something like the DART as they already had the physical route to bear a broad gauge system as far as Adelaide Rd.
So about half the capacity was sacrificed for the final 500 or so Metres to Stephens Green
I am not having a go at the engineers and designers who have delivered a fine product.
But it is a product of the wrong specification
we’ll have to wait and see …
Tram stops every 500 metres? There’s two tram stops about 50 metres apart on Luas Line A! One immediately to each side of Church Street.
Ahem,
Thats one platform in each direction:rolleyes: The Jervis stop is split for this reason. The millennium walk arrives at the ped crossing between platforms ( if they were exactly opposed the walkway would arrive in the middle of the southern platform) .Most platforms are between 500m and 750m apart. I think Connolly and Store Street are the closest.
As regards the fit French. Paris,St Denis has a tram system almost identical to the LUAS along with at least a dozen other French cities, the Luas was designed originally by a French company ( Semaly acting as consultants to CIE) and is identical to Montpelier, Orleans and Lyon. I think its horses for courses as they say. The capacity is dictated by the expected patronage, and in any event in the long term the Sandyford line is planned to be upgraded and the infrastructure has been sized to accommodate longer trams and ultimately Metro.
Personally I think the problems are going to be at Heuston. The 30m trams will be full by the time they arrive there and whilst there is a third platform in front of the station there are no additional trams available to run the shuttle between there and Connolly.
As you say we will just have to wait and see.
JJ
well the heuston problem can be solved by reopening the phoenix park tunnel and running trains through to connolly.
It can equally be solved by following the DTO advice of building an interconnector from Spencer Dock to Heuston via Stephens Green.
But like everything else it has been botched by this government with Spencer Dock gone,
Christchurch station Gone
Guiness’s station Gone
Heuston still as isolated as ever.
Forget about the Phoenix Park tunnel it is dead milage it could serve Drumcoundra and nowhere else en route.
Originally posted by Diaspora
Forget about the Phoenix Park tunnel it is dead milage it could serve Drumcoundra and nowhere else en route.The proposed interconnector is nothing but Irish Rail’s dick extension. Reopen the Phoenix Park Tunnel.
Quote “The proposed interconnector is nothing but Irish Rail’s dick extension.”
Devised by the DTO as independent consultants to government not any CIE group company. As the most sustainable long term solution on public transport provision.
Quote “Reopen the Phoenix Park Tunnel.”
No-one has any objection to this a SHORT TERM MEASURE.
But in the longer term it is not sufficient, it doesn’t provide connectivity between modes.
For Example: A person exits a Kildare Train at Hueston, transfers to connolly they must transfer again to get to Stephens Green. All the punters exiting the existing potential interconnector must use already packed DARTs to reach D2
The interconnector in contrast hits major employment centres at Christchuch, St Green, Pearse St and Spencer Dock it would also facilitate high density residential developments around the guinness brewery area. 🙂
The Phoenix park tunnel as already stated services one station at Drumcoundra and Connolly. :confused:
DO BOTH, Dublin needs as much public transport as possible to get the 70% of commuters who use their car, out of their cars. Throwing more buses at the problem, no matter how inexpensive they are, it is not a solution when the roads are so congested.
The Platform11 suggestions are great ideas that can be implemented quickly and will help but they aren’t a panacea. Dublin is growing and needs to do more than reopen a few disused train lines. It needs a metro. Whole areas of Dublin are just not served properly by public transport and this needs to be addressed.
The percentage of commuters using public transport needs to be trebled to do this we need to provide a proper integrated transport system.
diaspora, persumably you’d run the kildare train through to connolly, so no need to change at heuston, it connects heuston to connolly.
i don’t see how the interconnector would do much better, it would have two stops along thomas street and a stop at tara. a much cheaper way t serve thomas street would be a branch off the luas line.
Quote “don’t see how the interconnector would do much better, it would have two stops along thomas street and a stop at tara”
No the original DTO olan was to go from Hueston to
James’s St to
Christchurch to
Stephens Green to
Pearse St to
Spencer DockTara St only came into the equation around the time of the ‘travelator’ invention of Breannans.
I just don’t get it, everywhere else consultants write reports, these reports are costed
Systems get built in accordance with the reports save for possibly a one or two year budgetary hold up.
In Dublin the consultants write the reports and then the cost managers try everything to drive the costs down. I mean look at the ‘travelator’ proposal.
Now instead of two metro lines one serving the airport and the other integrating both the docklands and hueston we have one line.
Quote “a much cheaper way t serve thomas street would be a branch off the luas line.”
The point of a metro is not to save cash it is to increase capacity without interfering with road space for other transport modes such as buses and cars.
The peak LUAS capacity of 2800 per hour simply falls short of that required to service high density development.
It is not only Thomas st that would benifit from this metro it is also
Christchurch/Dublin Castle close to 4 courts
St Green/ Harcourt St/ Grafton St
Pearse St/ Merrion Square / Mount St
Spencer Dock/ Grand Canal Docks/ Phase 2 IFSC
The current proposal only connects Stephens green and Phase 1 IFSC from this DTO list.
It does little to enable high density development in the places that DCC wants to put it. The failure to build a second metro line will set this city back 10 years against our competitors
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