Luas Central – Which Route?
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The 80s building I referred to is on Dame Street (Snap Printing) ok so its a refurb of the 1960s office block that stood there before (and became Dublin’s first derelict office block in the late 70s early 80s). My point was none of the remaining victorians on Dame Street would have to be touched.
The Drury Street/Exchequer street building I am think of is Central Hotel chambers accessed from Dame Court (the bit with the horrible mirrored glass bit on the ground floor). Its the one next door to Markeys shop – if memory serves.
I know it ain’t going to happen but just a suggestion.
I feel it’s important that Luas goes through College Gn. The 3 elemnts of beautiful historic buildings, a public space and trams going through creates a certain special something in european cities.
Originally posted by Rory W
I know it ain’t going to happen but just a suggestion.
Yep 😉
Originally posted by Devin
I feel it’s important that Luas goes through College Gn. The 3 elemnts of beautiful historic buildings, a public space and trams going through creates a certain special something in european cities.I tend to agree with you.
A chara, – There is much talk of the linking-up of the two new Luas lines through Dublin city centre. The obvious solution is for Trinity College to let the Luas through its grounds at Nassau Street.
The Luas could then proceed up Tara Street and across Butt Bridge to link up with the Red Line in Abbey Street.
This solution would be cheap, and would open up the vista and atmosphere of Trinity College to the ordinary people of Dublin.
The students and staff would have to put up with some little disruption, but the sacrifice of their cloistered peace would be much appreciated by the rest of us. – Yours, etc.,
MUREDACH DOHERTY, Lower Beechwood Avenue, Dublin 6.
Originally posted by Paul Clerkin
I tend to agree with you.
I meant that in relation to the comments above about Newstalk 106 saying it could go underground between Dawson St & Westmoreland, & people saying where will the buses go.
There was a sceme for a road through there in the 1800s… have an image somewhere of the proposed bridge
The Luas connection to O’Connell Street seems wrong – could an alternative route of Stephens Green North/Kildare Street/Tara Street/Abbey Street not be a better solution, enabling southern commuters connect with the IFSC and O’Connell Street???
One question – are the re-laying of underground services on O’Connell Street at the moment illogical if the luas is to coonect via O’Connell Bridge, necessitating the relaying of all services again?!!! For less disruption and creating a wider city centre they should go via Tara Street, necessitating no new crossings of O’Connell Street and connecting Tara Street to the Luas.
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A chara, – There is much talk of the linking-up of the two new Luas lines through Dublin city centre. The obvious solution is for Trinity College to let the Luas through its grounds at Nassau Street.
The Luas could then proceed up Tara Street and across Butt Bridge to link up with the Red Line in Abbey Street.
This solution would be cheap, and would open up the vista and atmosphere of Trinity College to the ordinary people of Dublin.
The students and staff would have to put up with some little disruption, but the sacrifice of their cloistered peace would be much appreciated by the rest of us. – Yours, etc.,
MUREDACH DOHERTY, Lower Beechwood Avenue, Dublin 6.
This was supposed to run from Nassau Street to Moss Street and was to link up with an intended bridge at the Custom House. Circa 1850s
Originally posted by Paul Clerkin
This was supposed to run from Nassau Street to Moss Street and was to link up with an intended bridge at the Custom House. Circa 1850s
Thank Christ that it was never built, they were a very destructive bunch our Victorian Rail scheme proponents. I fear that we are stuck with the loopline for ever, and to think that one scheme even involved a rail line over the Liffey from Tara St to Heuston. On a more positive note the interconnector is included in the DDDA 2003 masterplan along a clear route as a clear objective on one of only two maps.
BTW I strongly agree with Luas going around the dead side of Trinity as it would provide better access and density opportunity benefits than the mere bonus of an aestetic bonus on College Green.
I strongly believe that the buses must not become the meat in the sandwich as it is difficult enough to make the bus system attractive as it is.
Whats wrong with the LUAS and Dublin Bus sharing College St/Nassau St? Can it really be that difficult to implement a system that both modes can use the same stretch of roadway. It happens everywhere else in Europe why not here?
I would like to see LUAS extendend towards the east as mentioned earlier but first things first. Get both lines linked up and the fastest way has to be over O’Connell Bridge.
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
That is a very interesting image. It must have been early 1850s as there is no Museum Building in the background.
The original Light Rail Order proposals for the central portion are still available in the Civic offices in Tallaght and probably elsewhere. It showed shared running for Bus and Tram in Nassau street. This happens on tram systems all over the works and personally I think teh opportunity for more of it should have been taken with the two existing lines. The corner with Dawson Street looked like it was very tight with the footpath being clipped back ( anyone who uses this crossing wil know that it can be very crowded with pedestrians). The stop in Dawson Street was between Molesworth Street and that small laneway just north with the next one in front of the Westin.
Although some roadways are shown with different traffic flow s, so there may be minor tweaks required, I would imagine that the new proposals will be almost identical. It worked then and the recent changes have only served to reduce the interface with private traffic.
By the way has anyone noticed that the Luas bridge at Charlemont is being clad with some type of spandrel panels ?
Congrats and best wishes Paul on the new look.
JJ
I’m concerned about the wirescape. I know it’s an old chestnut but what will be the impact on College Green?
Surely poles will be needed roughly in the area of the entrance to Trinity, where it won’t be practical to suspend from buildings? And if the posts on Stephen’s Green are anything to go by God help this Green if they are needed.
I don’t like the idea of wires crossing over views of either the BoI or Trinity, esp where the bends and curves in the roadway will necessitate a less than straight run of cabling. Fair enough Harcourt St’s has worked exceptionally well, but it’s an almost straight run of cables, with no poles, and the dark red of the Georgians negate much of their impact. What will they be like in front of/alongside white, staightlaced classical set-pieces?I don’t know the answers but it’s a big worry. Ok many other capitals in Europe put up with it, but does that mean it’s therefore acceptable in Dublin if other practical routes are possible?
Equally the views of O’Cll Bridge, the portico of the House of Lords and the BoI colonade are issues to be considered.
Does anyone have any pics of what the impact, if any, might be?I agree that is a great unknown Graham but two other potential changes worry me a lot more. Any alteration to the front of Trinity which has been deemed necessary by the RPA to accomodate the new line. I likes Trinity the way it is with the curved railings and intamacy around the provosts residence, I would not be at all happy if they messed either of these up.
The second major problem that a Luas line would have is the O’Connell Monument it is a very wide statue and I’m not too sure that there would be suficient space to get a Luas line around it, retain 2 lanes of traffic, a bicycle lane and widen the footpaths ala the O’Connell St plan. The more I think about it the more that down the left side of Pearse St then into Hawkins St and accross to Marlborough St via a new bridge makes sense.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
Ok many other capitals in Europe put up with it, but does that mean it’s therefore acceptable in Dublin if other practical routes are possible?
Equally the views of O’Cll Bridge, the portico of the House of Lords and the BoI colonade are issues to be considered.The new trams in Bordeaux have no overhead power supply. They went for a new kind of power supply specifically for aesthetic reasons. The system they used is called “Innorail”. It consists of a 3rd rail that only becomes live when the tram is directly above it (otherwise pedestrians would wander onto it and get fried). Anyhow, they’ve just put it live and I gather it has some teething problems but is likely to be a success.
trams in london used to have a slot in the middle of the tracks with a live track beneath the surface. it must have been a pain in arse for getting clogged up with crap. i don’t know how it was drained.
I thought it was generally accepted that the Luas wirescape is pretty minimal. To me Luas’s wires in College Gn. would be better than the current narrow pavements / constant fumes and harrassment of traffic.
a tongue in cheek view… Frank McNally in The Irish Times
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/weekend/2004/1106/3987879409WK06FRANK.html
Would we not be better off putting the money in to the ‘interconnector’ ??
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