Look at de state of Cork, like!
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@rodger wrote:
I know I will probabaly sound like a bit of a loser here but its the bulb off of the Bork ship on startrek,and who says tellys bad for ya. :rolleyes:
Cough cough (nerd!) cough cough! 😀
(Archigeek) – sorry rodger, I had to – I spent the last 10mins thinking of that. Aww I’m so proud, I’ll sleep well tonight. :p 😉
@rodger wrote:
In relation to John Lennons plans there is I am told a fine line between genius and madness. 😮
which side of the line is he on??? 😀
(by the way maybe its just the sherbet and fizzy cola i just drank through my nose but, isnt john lennon dead??? now that is mad!)
wait wait wait i got one! re john lennons bridge thing – theres gonna be apartments on it right? well…imagine all the people, living…on that bridge…
wait that sound much funnier in my head. feck! to think i came all the way back online for that. :confused:
@pier39 wrote:
hmmm, barbie’s new dream-house. charming.
Even Barbie would have more taste than that!!1 :p
@rodger wrote:
I know I will probabaly sound like a bit of a loser here but its the bulb off of the Bork ship on startrek,and who says tellys bad for ya. :rolleyes:
Star trekin across the universe on the starship RORSA.In relation to John Lennons plans there is I am told a fine line between genius and madness. 😮
Borg ship……I suppose there’s no hope that saying “Resistence is Futile – You will be Assimilated” to the City Council will get them to grant permisison?
A firm worth checking out – I’d like to add these individuals to my list of desired UK firms working in Cork, along with EPR. Page/Park show imagination and flair – they could go down very well in Cork given the right project. They were also involved in Maggie’s Centre in Inverness as posted in the article on the main-page of this website.
Worth checking out.
It’s definately an improvement on the original and just goes to show how good its neighbour is.
Unlike its neighbour, this development seems to lurk over the shoulder of the retained quay buildings, whereas the OCP building incorporated the old building into the design. The many layers of the OCP building help to break up the bulk, something which this Howard Holdings development cannot be accused of doing 🙁
It’ll have to be a no from me. Lets not waste the progress that has been made in this area.@Radioactiveman wrote:
So do i like it or not??? :confused:
Cos ya see I’m thinking that it just looks funny cos its a different style of design, so is it unique or just plain bad? Help me decide! :p
What does it look like when viewed from Patrick St at Academy St junction? The OCP development has had a large impact on the view down that street.
@d_d_dallas wrote:
What does it look like when viewed from Patrick St at Academy St junction? The OCP development has had a large impact on the view down that street.
Good point.
Ok, here’s my plan- one huge air conditioning unit over Cork City Centre (tastefully designed of course) for horrible sticky days like today. We could have some apartments on top, like. 🙂
Look at all these lovely people:
they’re tellig us that the Mardyke pedestrian bridge was officially opened today.@Radioactiveman wrote:
Good point.
Ok, here’s my plan- one huge air conditioning unit over Cork City Centre (tastefully designed of course) for horrible sticky days like today. We could have some apartments on top, like. 🙂
Look at all these lovely people:
they’re tellig us that the Mardyke pedestrian bridge was officially opened today.I miss the humidity factor
Going home in a few weeks and I’m looking forward to checking out this new walk 🙂
@mickeydocs wrote:
I miss the humidity factor
Going home in a few weeks and I’m looking forward to checking out this new walk 🙂
Was down for a game of squash in the Mardyke this morning so thought I take a look at the new bridge. Maybe there was some ceremony during the week but unfortunately it’s still very much closed :confused: Unless you fancy climbing the fence that’s been blocking access for the past few months. Hopefully it will really be open in the near future.
What does any one think of the new 1billion euro blueprint for the northern docklands the council are proposing? Think there was something of it in the Echo today.
@ewankennedy wrote:
What does any one think of the new 1billion euro blueprint for the northern docklands the council are proposing? Think there was something of it in the Echo today.
Snooze!
A little pointless. But don’t get me started on the conspiracy theories associated with this plan – it had me livid for a long time and I’m still only coming down after a month of giving out about it. I have a few bits and bobs of the plan I’ll try and get up over the next few days. I’d love if a little imagination had been shown. CCC had run ith by MPH, but MPH had many of their own plans already formulated. I think they took some of it on-board for the sake of peace. Nothing radical. Besides between Paul Kenny’s plans, MPH’s plan and Werdna (God-willing) for Water Street, the docklands are almost covered to the North – so what really is the plan covering? But there’s more to it than that and its long-winded so I’ll save my ramblings for another day (I’ll try and avoid the correlation between this plan and Werdna’s decision!!! 😡 )
Those expecting taller buildings for Horgan’s Quay in the MPH may be somewhat disappointed (and by tall I mean 12 storeys +) – however there’ll be some more satisfying elements which I’ll outline soon.
Doesn’t this photo of Paris tell one a heck of a lot about port towns, in their heighdays, during the 19 and early 20C,… that is before abominations like Ryan Air and Virgin. I mean, I haven’t taken too much interest here in this thread about Cork, but I said I would post this picture here anyhow,… maybe it is sometimes as important to look back and understand where a city is coming from, to envision where it could be going. If you look at the photograph, I a lot of that area around the port would have had both bustling day and night life,… the photo was taken by Sergio Larrain, in Paris in the 1950s. But you can see how a lot of architecture would have sprung up around the sea wall of cities, to support the thriving commerce sustained by sea faring.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
Here’s a question for any legal eagles amongst us:
The space outside the new clarion hotel- is this public or private space? Considering this used to be a roadway, is it still public even though kiosks and fancy paving has been laid? Also, the new boardwalk: public or private?
I’ll let you know why I want to know this in my next post.
This next bit of news I’ve taken with a pinch of salt since first hearing it, but i’ve heard it so many times that I thought I’d see has anyone else heard the rumour.
My sources suggest that a leading tenant at Mahon Point is extremely unhappy with performance and is planning to leave the centre. Obviously I won’t name names, but we’re talking high profile tenant here. Any truth at all to this rumour?
As we’re on the subject, I dont think I’ve seen as many empty shops on St. Patrick Street in a good many years:
CIE office, O2 shop, Pound City, adjacent travel shop, adjacent camera shop, etc. all empty and looking particularly shabby. This does not look good and I’ve heard nothing of new tenants being found.
I must try to get a recent pic of the new red brick development opposite the Opera House. Some genius has decided to erect an unsightly CCTV camera system on the corner of the building on the large column there. All we need now is a few satallite dishes, a few bicycles and some washing lines on the balconies and we’ll be all set 😡i think the space outside the clarion at lapp’s quay is public – also the port may still have some legally established rights of way at the quay walls.
i too have heard rumours about one of mp’s tenants – i doubt they are true as it would be suprising if a pull-out would be considered after a few months – their investment would surely merit a year’s trading before they would even assess their perfomance – however – perhaps they are unhappy because they have not succeeded in emptying the city centre, which, despite some short-term vacancies on pana, is busier than ever – the store u are talking about should take a long look at their store and their products – which are very poor – despite all of the marketing of the store – i wonder are we talking about the same tenant – english based non-food?
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Here’s a question for any legal eagles amongst us:
The space outside the new clarion hotel- is this public or private space? Considering this used to be a roadway, is it still public even though kiosks and fancy paving has been laid? Also, the new boardwalk: public or private?
I’ll let you know why I want to know this in my next post.Was it a public roadway before hand? It is more than likely still public if it was public before. However, the council might have let out the space to the hotel? It is also interesting how peoples perception of a space can be influenced by new paving etc etc. So whilst it is more than likely still public the hotel might not be too worried that it looks private. I am speculating on this, as I dont know the area you are referring to, but it just seems to be a trend recently.
@bunch wrote:
i think the space outside the clarion at lapp’s quay is public – also the port may still have some legally established rights of way at the quay walls.
i too have heard rumours about one of mp’s tenants – i doubt they are true as it would be suprising if a pull-out would be considered after a few months – their investment would surely merit a year’s trading before they would even assess their perfomance – however – perhaps they are unhappy because they have not succeeded in emptying the city centre, which, despite some short-term vacancies on pana, is busier than ever – the store u are talking about should take a long look at their store and their products – which are very poor – despite all of the marketing of the store – i wonder are we talking about the same tenant – english based non-food?
Yes, English based, non-food. Nice enough stuff but hideously over-priced, even for this country!
As you say, probably just rumour, but there’s no smoke without fire.I can honestly say (as a city dweller) I have visited Mahon Pont once and felt absolutely no compulsion to return. There’s nothing to draw me down there, simple as that.
With regard to Lapp’s Quay, I happened to be passing through the spot one afternoon during the weekend. Its a nice enough spot, will be even nicer when the opposite bank of the river is spruced up a little.
I happened to witness a very unpleasent incident where two managers (both women) tried to evict a guy from this public (???) area. Now, the day itself was warm so he had his shirt off and I’d say the guy wasnt as sober as he could be, but he wasnt bothering anyone.
So he was realaxing near the waters edge when he was basically told to F*** off by what I can only assume were managers from the Clarion Hotel. He was treatened with the Gardai on a number of occasions.
To cut a long story short, I didnt see how the incident ended but was pretty appalled that the Clarion Hotel can now seemingly screen people using this public (??) space and throw them out if they dont meet their exacting standards.
Perhaps we should take note before we go ahead and hand over more of our quaysides to private developers. Can they be trusted to maintain free and open access for ALL of the public?*UPDATES*
😎 Tower cranes at UCC’s 20m euro School of Pharmacy site along College Road and Corbett Bros.’ Copley Street development were dismantled over the weekend (Saturday and Sunday respectively) signalling the completing stages of the 2 developments.
The new School of Pharmacy was designed by STW and constructed by Pierse Construction. The 60,000sq ft, 3-storey building will commence operations in time for the next UCC Academic Term in October of this year (2005).
School of PharmacyMeanwhile, Corbett Bros. intend to have their development on Copley Street (designed by PRC Architects and built by Coffey Construction) up and running by September 2005 (latest). The development includes 2 linked 5-storey buildings with 60,000sq ft of office space, an under-ground car-park, and 38-residential units. A new student complex of 8 apartments will be constructed by the same developers, designed by James Leahy & Associates, along Stable Lane soon. The new elevational treatments seems a little more modern, but I wonder if it was as pleasant as the original plans?! I’ll wait until the whole thing is complete before judging.
@Radioactiveman wrote:Here’s a question for any legal eagles amongst us:
The space outside the new clarion hotel- is this public or private space? Considering this used to be a roadway, is it still public even though kiosks and fancy paving has been laid? Also, the new boardwalk: public or private?
I’ll let you know why I want to know this in my next post.It was and is public space. The nature of the site foundations, plus the construction of underground car-parking required a complete deconstruction of the quayside (I’ll let some engineer handle the technical side here) but as part of planning talks, Howard Holdings signed a M.O.U. with CCC which entails a complexity of ownership rights, money was exhanged. Howard have rights over the kiosks, lift, pontoon and boardwalk etc but with the understanding that it is made available as a public amenity facility.
This next bit of news I’ve taken with a pinch of salt since first hearing it, but i’ve heard it so many times that I thought I’d see has anyone else heard the rumour.
My sources suggest that a leading tenant at Mahon Point is extremely unhappy with performance and is planning to leave the centre. Obviously I won’t name names, but we’re talking high profile tenant here. Any truth at all to this rumour?The word is conflicting. However, generally, most sources claim the Cork store is perfroming on par with Dublin’s Jervis Street store. Overall, it would seem many new Irish suburban malls, MP and Dundrum included, have been underperforming. However, recent word (within the passed 2 weeks) suggests MP is slowly starting to level out to a more comfortable position. Typing this in a rush so I’ll clarify and update at a later stage. I don’t see Debenhams leaving anytime soon.
As we’re on the subject, I dont think I’ve seen as many empty shops on St. Patrick Street in a good many years:
CIE office, O2 shop, Pound City, adjacent travel shop, adjacent camera shop, etc. all empty and looking particularly shabby. This does not look good and I’ve heard nothing of new tenants being found.Deals are being finalised on 2 of the stores, the under 2 are still under negotiations with numerous parties. The problem with Patrick Street is rent and space. The Joe Donnellys of this city have helped push rent soaring (2nd in country after Grafton Street) – however, it order to maintain success, it is falling to mostly multinational businesses to pick up the vacanies. The other problematic issues include the availability of sale/floor space given rent. Retaillers can only provide so much given the insufficient retail space on the street. But indeed, trade on Patrick Street has generally been on the up.
I must try to get a recent pic of the new red brick development opposite the Opera House. Some genius has decided to erect an unsightly CCTV camera system on the corner of the building on the large column there. All we need now is a few satallite dishes, a few bicycles and some washing lines on the balconies and we’ll be all set 😡
I agree, it looks unpleasant. I’m not sure if the Hornibrooks put it up or CCC were involved. If the latter, they are completely contradicting their own efforts to improve city centre aesthetics by throwing up eye-sores like these on new structures such as Camden Wharf.
@RM wrote:
Perhaps we should take note before we go ahead and hand over more of our quaysides to private developers. Can they be trusted to maintain free and open access for ALL of the public?
I don’t think you can make assumptions about a particular incident without knowing the ins and outs. Are you sure the person in question had not been causing trouble prior to his removal? Personally, I believe that public space should be the entitlement of all members of a community – that means children, the elderly, and every other average Joe in the city – are they not entitled to enjoy that space? But if persons such as the gentleman you describe ruin it for others, what about the right of those other ‘orderlies’ to enjoy such amenities? Should he be allowed swear, spit and cause aggro on those unsuspecting individuals just out for a pleasant stroll or making their way to work?
If you notice outside Kudos restaurant, part of the Lapps Quay Clarion, there is a cracked window – the result of a stone throwing from an individual who decided to spit at passers-by from his position on the boardwalk. He was intoxicated, but not overly so, just rowdy. Following complaints and no Garda presence, Clarion staff took it on themselves to remove the gentleman from this area where not only customers, but everyday members of the public had been enjoying the weather and location. After the usual ranting and raving, the man in question managed to attain a missile among rubble/debris across the road at No.6 Lapps Quay (under construction), stormed back and fired the stone at the window before running off toward Custom House Quay.
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