Look at de state of Cork, like!
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@d_d_dallas wrote:
The ole AnBP gem – omit the biggest part and grant the rest. Is this really the best way to grant planning? How does the project compare having this omitted?
well now when you stand in the middle of the place you can shout your name and hear it echoed back to you. you can see the logic abp had behind that. it’ll produce endless hours of acoustic fun. doesnt cork need something like that? bless them.
but seriously no this isnt the best way to go about planning i think. mob79 as far as public spaces go thats what the docklands are suppose to help with. but so far the strategy seems to be we need wall to wall linear 6 storey blocks. god forbid a highrise here or there would allow for some green space.
bravo all round people!
jurys pics!!!!!
hey!!! look what i found! thanks lex! black and white and blurry but you get the idea. now just imagine it without the block a in the middle. still it’ll be a helluva improvement on the existing lump of 1960s architectural misery.
🙂 The Moran Family (of Waterfall, Cork) have succeeded in gaining a grant for their large residential development at Deanrock in Togher. Originally the development consisted of 71 residential units in a mix of houses, apartments and duplexes, with associated parking. Following Further Information responses to CCC concerns, the plan was revised with a reduction in apartment numbers but overall units increase to 72 units and increases in associated parking to 92 spaces (parking had been an object of concern through the planning process). The mix of units now includes additional housing.
Planner Evelyn Mitchell noted the architectural quality of the development stating, “The proposed development, as revised, is considered to address the original concerns of the Planning Authority and the development is considered to be of architectural quality and will result in the development of one of the few remaining greenfield sites in this area to a high standard.”
Architects were Blackrock, Dublin based Design Strategies.
😮 OCP have also be granted the alterations to their 2nd Phase of retail warehousing at Mahon PointYeah having a new amenity space is great and all – but as the project wasn’t designed to have that in the first place (i.e. a nine storey block in it’s place)… I wonder how effective the appeal process as it stands is. This type of arbitrary mass removal does nothing for a project and it seems AnBP always take the path of least resistance. Remove the most incendiary (i.e. tallest) element to placate the objectors, while actually allowing the whole project through – minus it’s integrity. Example: St John’s Rd near Heuston Station. The whole project wasn’t exactly um… great, but was waved through minus a 12 storey block, which originally gave the overall project some degree of status. In it’s place a gaping hole.
@pier39 wrote:
jurys pics!!!!!
hey!!! look what i found! thanks lex! black and white and blurry but you get the idea. now just imagine it without the block a in the middle. still it’ll be a helluva improvement on the existing lump of 1960s architectural misery.
After seeing this picture, I really have to agree with you. Without Block A, the overall design seems a lot more repetitive and bland (and still a huge improvement on what’s there now.)
One interesting fact is that the OCP will have to reapply for the bridge element. Surprisingly the objectors are all relatively in favour of the final product. Work will start on the development in June. OCP wants to ensure the work does not make too much noise when the pupils at the adjoining school are doing their exams,
The cleared block A space is for ‘public open space according to the board. Skateboarders must be licking their lips…
Thanks for the pics of the airport Jungle. The terminal looks pretty impressive…let’s just hope they keep the windows clean once it opens! I always get a kick out of the fishtanks near the luggage conveyor belts, with no fish in them! And the cobwebs on the signage above. Still, this new terminal looks mighty good.
:rolleyes: Re:Lexington post 615, next time you walk the City give me a call, i would love to share the magic mushrooms you must use!! or do you wear rose tinted glasses? last time i walked the city streets i watched my back.
@kite wrote:
:rolleyes: Re:Lexington post 615, next time you walk the City give me a call, i would love to share the magic mushrooms you must use!!
Kite you must be flying yourself if you haven’t noticed that the season finished last October, nuff of the personal stuff
@Radioactiveman wrote:
I’d wholeheartedly agree, developers and construction companies are contributing handsomely to CORK2005 events and they are to be applauded for it.
On a related issue, the Clarion hotel will host Lynes and Lynes’ much heralded Cork Auction on Tuesday afternoon with the jewel in the crown of the Crawford’s collection going under the hammer.
John Butt’s (previously accredited to Grogan) View of Cork will be sold for in and around the € I million mark. It could be the most expensive painting sold in theese islands this year.
This painting is of upmost importance to the City of Cork and to the Crawford Gallery. I raise this point here for a number of reasons:
(1) As a view of 18th century Cork architecture in totality it is second to none – in fact it is the only view of cork from this period. It is, quite frankly beautiful. The taught of it leaving Cork should bring a tear to the eye of any true Cork person and for it to be locked away in some private collection would be an immeasurable loss to the city.
(2) In the hope that the above modern-day “merchant princes” may read this and decide to do something truly heroic and worthy. Even if its just for the publicity, it would be marvelous to see those so often mentioned on this thread put their hand in their pockets for this piece of Cork’s history.
The City and her people would be eternally grateful.
It looks like the Crawford Art Gallery bought View of Cork. God knows where they got the money.
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2005/0525/1041346200HM3PAINTING.html
According to a source from the Gallery on the radio this morning it was more than one person came up with the money.
As you can imagine, i’m over the moon. Well done Cork, I knew you could do it!As for KITE : “last time i walked the city streets i watched my back.”
Why do people continue to propogate the myth that Cork is an unsafe city?? That sort of talk just scares people.Now, back to the architecture 🙂 Today is a good day for Cork!
@kite wrote:
:rolleyes: Re:Lexington post 615, next time you walk the City give me a call, i would love to share the magic mushrooms you must use!! or do you wear rose tinted glasses? last time i walked the city streets i watched my back.
kite, I suspect that you do not walk the streets of Cork that often. Paranoia can be useful, but my experience shows it to be unwarranted in this city. 🙂
Whilst walking down south main st today, I once again noticed that most unsightly site that used to be the former liberty bar directly across from the mannix shop and next to the telephone shop if memory serves me correctly this old bar was torn down in ’98 – ’99? when it was deemed unsafe, I believe a couple of years ago planning may have been put in for apartments can anyone correct me on this one? while the area is being rejuvenated with the back of the old queens being re-developed anyone know is there any plans for this site, it has to be a very valuable site with its location
@macai wrote:
Whilst walking down south main st today, I once again noticed that most unsightly site that used to be the former liberty bar directly across from the mannix shop and next to the telephone shop if memory serves me correctly this old bar was torn down in ’98 – ’99? when it was deemed unsafe, I believe a couple of years ago planning may have been put in for apartments can anyone correct me on this one? while the area is being rejuvenated with the back of the old queens being re-developed anyone know is there any plans for this site, it has to be a very valuable site with its location
I miss the Liberty and bottles of cider on tick… helped me get through college 😀
What’s the latest on the Mannix site btw?
@Leesider wrote:
anonymous local businessman donated the money……..amy ideas who though??
Peter Barry?
John Mannix’s Washington Street Development
John Mannix’s project for a new 6-storey development at 40 – 42 Washington Street currently awaits a decision with ABP. The appeal was brought by Arthur Leahy, who operates a business from premises on lease from Mr. Mannix, against the project after it received a grant subject to revised drawings from CCC. The original plan sought a 7-storey building, over private basement car-park, which was to include a large retail facility, upper floor offices and 13 apartments (10 2-storey units and 3 roof-top penthouses). Revisions consequent of Further Information reduced the height by 1-storey, in line with neighbouring building heights (also removing the unsightly boxy top to the building), reducing apartment numbers to 12 – and also saw the protruding bay window on the South Main Street/Washington Street corner set back into the building (I kind of liked the way it stood out – it gave a break to an otherwise verticak facade) – design by Dermot Coveney of Coveney & Associates, Monkstown.
A decision is due sometime tomorrow evening.
The CCC planning report noted that the design was something of a departure for the area, but that the corner location of the site was suitable for a new ‘gateway’ design. The project has the potential to rejuvinate an area which should be more accessible to pedestrians/shoppers. The absence of any facilities may be in part accountable to the extensively bland church wall which spans the majority of this side of Washington Street. It is hoped the new development will draw life back onto the street.
Note: The image seen below is a scan of the original development plan and does not represent the much improved revision as granted. See details in post above.
*UPDATES*😀 Michael O’Donoghue’s Rockfell Investments are scheduled to make a move on their Cornmarket Street development within the coming weeks – that’s according to City Manager Joe Gavin and an “informant” 😉 with Rockfell/Munster Joinery. However, the input of OCP, as was speculated and mentioned earlier is not clear – if at all, I’ll keep sussing that one out. It’s thought, that in the longer run – OCP will seek to link Paul Street SC in with the Cornmarket Street project following a refurbishment a some stage in the future.
A number of site assessments will first have to be made before primary construction work begins however, as part and parcel of the planning grant by CCC.
The premises are currently being used for storage. Niall Coffey with Frank Ennis & Associates provided the design which will encompass 170,000sq ft of retail space over 9 large units facing an internal mall, 66 basement parking spaces and 65 apartments. The 6-storey development will incorporate the existing Musgrave/Guy & Co. building facade. Meanwhile CCC have launched their action plan, following months of talks, to redevelop the streetscape of Cornmarket Street – it is believed some aspects of this will work in tandem with the building works by Rockfell.
🙂 BrideView Developments have been granted permission for a large 106-unit apartment development at Monfieldstown in Rochestown. The development consists of a single building ranging in heights of 3 to 5-storeys over a basement car-park. The grant was permitted under a number of conditions including some alterations – of which I will have better details on at a later stage.– and on a double day of delight for BrideView, permission was also granted for their 30-unit apartment scheme in Carrigaline, on a small-ish site near the town centre which they reportedly paid a sum of approx. 1m euros for last year.
🙂 Not too far away, in Douglas (Moneygurney), OSB Group, who are also developing Camden Court along Carroll’s Quay in the city – Phase 2 of which has begun preliminary construction, have been also permitted planning for their 97-unit residential development which was also subject to conditions. The original application sought 45 houses, 28 maisonettes (teach beags) and 24 apartments. James Leahy & Associates again provided the designs – as with Camden Court.
🙁 Daniel Lordan’s plans for a large development constituent of a 64-bedroom nursing home, 32 apartment units, community hall and 33 cottages for Coolyrahilly near Kinsale have been shot down.
Some New Eglinton Street ImagesThe more I view this project the further down my jaw drops. It gets more and more impressive the more angles you look at it from. Well done Mr. O’Mahony & Wilson team, Arup and well done OFC.
Images have been substantially compressed.
View west-to-east down the new streetscape planned linking Eglinton Street with Albert Road. Note the extensive pedestrian element and basement carpark entrance – also, the Howard Holdings WebWorks on Albert Quay can be seen just encroaching on the image to the left.
View down Albert Road (north-south), Eglinton Street rises like a maze of shape and colour. Impressive. (P.S. Doyle Warehousing seen to the right is set to be redeveloped (7-storeys – undetermined height, based on 1 plan of 1 interested party), this will blend Eglinton Street in much easier.)
kite, I assume you’re referring to the post I made with reference to the ‘buzz’ I felt around Cork. Well, I’m sorry you don’t feel that way. I don’t think there’s a need to knock a little enthusiasm and appreciation for development progress finally being made after so long. I for one, intend to enjoy it. As with all things, it needs to be approached with cautious, calaculated optimism. Cork has a long way to go in all aspects – social, infastructural (physical and economic) etc. One should never deny the obstacles we face – but it’s better to approach them with a chin up rather than a walk in the opposite direction. Noting achievements is an important part of the ‘confidence boost’ a city needs when facing into such obstacles – it lets people see what can be done with correctly applied efforts. Cork is no utopia, but that doesn’t mean we cannot and should not be aiming high. It’s a pity you don’t see this. I feel safer in Cork than I do in many cities but that doesn’t mean not to take the same careful precautions one should practice in any urban environment – i.e. don’t wander done dark alleys alone, don’t carry your life-savings in your pocket etc etc It’s a sad, but real aspect of life – one we must continue combating. I have no doubt that a great deal of this lesser side to the urban domain stems from those who profit from the sale of goods like your ‘magic mushrooms’ and their associative activities. Perhaps if we ruled those individuals out first, you wouldn’t have to keep looking over your shoulder so regularly.I actually like the Mannix building as in that image. God knows, that part of South Main St. does like pretty decrepit as it is, with the Mannix building, the ex-Liberty site, the rear of the Queen’s Old Castle and a few small run-down shops on it. Fingers crossed that this gets the go-ahead. Washington St and South Main St. badly need it!
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Adding to your previous post about the ‘buzz’ in Cork, the Hugenot quarter (sounds soo much better than “Paul St”, doesn’t it?) is really buzzing these days. Between the excellent job done on resurfacing the area – had to believe the visual impact that alone has – and the new cafes in the area, it really has a lot of character. Funny how a smoking ban has given us a ‘cafe culture’ in one fell swoop!!
It’d be great to see a similar treatment given to the others streets (Bowling Green St is one?) between Patrick’s St. and Emmet Place. If nothing else – it would add a lot of new store frontage to the city centre!
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As previously mentioned, and now confirmed, Werdna Ltd have lodged a 1st party appeal against the ruling made by CCC on the Murray O’Laoire designed project. It’s a risky gamble Mark McMahon & Co. will be taking, risking the loss of their project overall – a real shame, heaven’s forbid, should it happen. The decision to appeal was considered the best option after the architects and developer spent many an intense consideration with regards the path they should take following a harshly and widely criticised ruling by CCC. Other options explored included: proceeding with the development as granted, then later seeking a further application to redevelop the site area designated for the signature tower; a revised overall proposal; and simply ‘walking away’ from the proposal. The appeal decision was weighed up as the best option and initiated on an indication that they may be brought to appeal regardless by the Lower Glanmire Road Residents group. Fingers are tightly crossed that the gamble taken by Werdna will pay off. It’s an important project in an area vitally in need of redevelopment.
Unfortunately, the Lower Glanmire Road Residents group still seem unhappy with the restrictive decision permitted by CCC and lodged their own appeal. They, it would seem, won’t be happy until there is no development on the site. I personally, and I’m open to criticism, feel this constitutes a selfish move on their behalf. Not happy with the project being more than halved, they now seek its demise. I empathised with their initial concerns, but that empathy is lost on their current actions.
😡 As if Murray O’Laoire didn’t already face a tough run, McCarthy Developments’ highly welcomed Centre Park Road office development has also been brought to appeal by Patrick Herlihy (who has a business in the vicinity). Planner Evelyn Mitchell granted the application last month. The plan was welcomed as a major positive step forward in the docklands rejuvenation. This represents another reason why I’m pushing for Section 25-style legislation to be imposed on all Cork docklands projects. Centre Park Road provides an exceptional and pleasant opportunity – it is a pity some persons can’t see this also.
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