Look at de state of Cork, like!
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Is the winners entry to the right scale :rolleyes: because I think they are 3 to 4 stories! and copared to the other 2 to 3 story buildings close by, I would think that these biuldings were suited to the little people 😀
I would have to say I think the jugdes had no imagination too. If some of these people are involed in the what is allowed to be built in cork. Then 🙁I am glad that at least the other entries may get a look into, maybe by the developers!!!!
🙁 Well I’m afraid those of you who have been waiting patiently for the decision by ABP are going to have to wait a little longer. The Bord have still not confirmed a decision with the decision date being deferred to an unspecified date. However, a recent rush by architects Henry J. Lyons & Partners to provide additional informations before last Tuesday (17th May 2005) and also by Consulting Engineers Niall Fitzsimons, I’m told, indicates an apparent positive sign. The problem is, the delayed decision sends a mixed one – either the Bord have required more time to assess the new info. or there is decision difficulty. I’m going to be an optimist and go with the former. Thankfully, the Dean of St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral has withdrawn his objection, however, Brigid Healy & Co. remain steadfast – pity really, I would have thought the additional business would have benefit her and colleagues no end. A decision could be today, tomorrow, next week…we’ll just have to sit tight. 😮
????? more drawings?, where is ABP going?
🙂 McCarthy Developments have been granted their height and unit number extensions to Blocks 5 & 6 at their substantial Jacob’s Island residential development near Mahon Point. The blocks will now rise 2-storeys higher to 8-storeys with 28 extra units. Last month an extension at Blocks 1 & 2 was also granted – bringing the height of those blocks from 4 to 6 storeys. Additional basement parking provision is also to be allocated. The grant was allowed subject to design alterations, concerning finishes and elevational treatments, submitted through Unsolicited Further Information. The development is currently under construction by Ridge Developments. Project Architects are responsible for the development, located on an unrivaled waterfront park-like setting.
I see what the fuss was about the Crosses Green hotel, it looks like a cheap 70s office block.
Hard to fathom how a lump like this could get the go-ahead bang-smack in the middle of such tasteful buildings as St. Finbarr’s Cathedral, the mock-Tudor buildings across the road, the Elizabethan fort, and the Counting House; while the attractive Jury’s re-development needed radical changes in spite of being much further from the cathedral.
:p Something struck me whilst driving home tonight from another day of drudgery – and it has completely brightened my day up, even excited me! As I drove down the Western Road, I decided to do a quick tour – down Washington Street (envisioning the Jurys Redevelopment on site and Kino redevelopment opposite), Grand Parade, South Mall, around the City Hall district (the “Green Crane Quarter”), passed City Quarter, along Patrick’s Quay and over to Lavitts Quay. What dumbfounded me was the sheer energy and life of the city. It was approaching 10pm and the streets were full everywhere with a healthy mix of all walks of life – not just mixed race but mixed ages. Young party revellers blended with the occasional group of more senior citizens, sitting on ballards and small park walls chatting. Chairs and tables out on the streets outside bustling cafes. Young children running around playing on St. Patrick’s Street new streetscape as their parents ordered another “latte”. People on the quaysides, groups of people leaving hotels for a night out, the works!
The City Hall/City Quarter districts are coming on very well – I imagined the new City Hall extension, the WebWorks, Eglinton Street, the 2 developments for Albert Quay – hush-hush 😉 ), the Clontarf Street building, the plans for Parnell Place, Andersons Quay, the Kenny Development on St. Patrick’s Quay etc etc. City Quarter looks superb by night. On Lavitts Quay I could envision the revised plans for the Howard Holdings/Comfort Inn development (significant further information on this project is expected within the coming weeks) next to 21 Lavitts Quay (which looks very well) and in my own head, for fun, I envisioned the Greek or Lafferty Design Kyrls Quay Architectural Competition entries standing proud.
The energy is palpable. The buzz was intoxicating. Without a shadow of a doubt, Cork continually seems to be gaining a continental feel about it more so than any other Irish city. It’s a great sight to see any city come along the way it is. The city must focus its energies on creating the critical mass of business needed to sustain this wonderful development – and for CCC policies to nurture this input in exchange for high-quality and supreme design standard developments with public provisions like waterfront amenities, parks, public art, afforable housing, plazas etc etc.
I posit the establishment of a Cork City Business Infastructural and Associated Provisions Committee – details on this at a future date. Cork really is on the up – long may it continue!
@Radioactiveman wrote:
@lexington wrote:
A long long time ago, you may or may not remember (depending on how long you’ve been using the thread) that I put up a post saying “BIG ANNOUNCEMENT SOON!” – but was asked to swiftly remove it? Well, it would now seem the wheels on that project are back in motion. So once again I reiterate the aforementioned posting, but can’t at this stage outline the timeframe – as I don’t frankly know it! But, it would seem, it’s on the way!
Lex, for those relative newcomers (or those who weren’t paying attention) can you let us know what kind of development you’re talking about.
Well RM, the plan I intended to announce soon was actually that of the Douglas redevelopment plan involving the Love Family/Shipton Group. I was unaware of the timeframe for announcement etc etc, but since the basic story was, as they say, “made public” in the Irish Examiner today I might as well fill you in on some of the details.
You will remember the recent refusal of permission imposed against Douglas Central Properties (a Love Family SPV) for the development of an 8-storey 124-bedroom hotel designed by the Hyde Partnership – this in conjunction with the plans permitted in 2004 to Canmount Ltd (another SPV) for the Wilson Architecture designed Douglas Village S.C. redevelopment (to include: demolition, refurbishment and sub-division of part of the existing centre, a new 15,341m gross floor area extension of generally one storey with elements of two and three storey, and is inclusive of new relocated anchor store, retail units, restaurants, bank, library, post office, offices, leisure centre, toilet facilities, malls and storage areas, 3 levels of multi-deck car parking with 963 no. spaces, new and remodelled elevations, new east west link road (N25), relocation of existing Tramore River culvert and Ballybrack Stream and new external plaza areas) – these elements were to be incorporated into the grand plan of a greater redevelopment (considering the hotel’s refusal, I believe, plans have since been reformulated). A ‘skybridge’ connection has been proposed to link the 2 Shipton Group owned shopping centres in the area (in stages) – the centre plans will require alterations to facilitate this (and will be lodged over a number of seperate applications). The Cinema World site was to be cleared to provide a linkage of commercial and residential units with a part-underground cineplex beneath. The height was expected to vary (w/ the hotel element providing the high-point, obviously since, has been reformatted). The east-west link road as proposed in the Douglas Village (or Douglas Central as it is to be renamed) Shopping Centre redevelopment (and visible in the below image) would then be extended east (utilising Douglas Court S.C and Douglas Village car-parking areas and routeways) and linking up with existing road facilities. This would allow for a greater flow of traffic across the suburb and benefit access to the redevelopment project elements as a whole. Obviously Neil Love & Clayton Love Jnr. have been conducting talks with Cork County Council about the project, and I believe Cork City Council are being consulted with also (given the complexity of boundaries – Douglas Village S.C. actually lies in the city, with most of the remaining lands in County Council jurisdication, it ridiculous!).
Thats a brief of the plan – as I said in the past, plans had been stalled given numerous complexities, but the wheels would now again seem to be back in motion. A press report gave a 4 to 5 year timeframe – I personally haven’t be indicated a precise timeline, but it is understood some elements are bounded by a deadline of 2009 giving existing permissions (these may yet be amended allowing for a deadline extension).
an image of the redevelopment plan for Douglas Village S.C. element as submitted 2003.Further images are a while off, but I’ll look into it for whenever they’re made available.
*UPDATES*🙂 Lyonshall Ltd (Kieran Coughlan and Claire Riordan) are to apply for an additional 4-storey over-basement mixed-use development of approx. 80,000sq ft at their Ursuline Convent development project at Blackrock. The building will include a 12,000sq ft discount foodstore (the tenant is already lined up), a library on the 1st floor, 8 office units (totalling nearly 30,000sq ft and with individual terraced areas) and 171 parking spaces (divided between basement and ground levels) – with all ancillary facilities and works.
Recently, Lyonshall initiated a joint-venture deal with construction firm Pierse Construction on the development of approx. 180 of their massive 550-unit residential development the company has permission existing on.
😮 Regarding Cork2005 , I have to say that a number of developers around Cork should be noted for their very active and generous contributions to Cork’s European Capital of Culture title. Notably the Shipton Group (as mentioned above) for their 250,000euro contribution (150,000 of which goes into Cork2005 projects, and 100,000 specifically designated for projects related to the Blackpool and Northside communities.O’Flynn Construction are sponsoring the the most valuable short-story literature event (I’m told in Europe!), with a prize of 50,000euros attached – and made a sizeable donation to the fund.
OCP have made sizeable monetary contributions to the Cork2005 fund, engaged in a number of celebrations hosted at its Mahon Point premises and is currently hosting the Pauline Bewick art exhibition at its new HQ in 21 Lavitts Quay.
Frinailla, Bowen, John F. Supple among others have also contibuted generously. Interesting.
😀 For those of you needing something to work up to, trust me, there’s another pretty BIG ANNOUNCEMENT due soon for Cork (perhaps among the biggest!) and it’s a lot closer to the city centre too! But my lips are sealed and my ears filled with gauze to any enquiries – but let’s just say, its going to be pretty interesting. No timeframe, so just hang on! There’ll be a few nice revelations besides that too soon.-> PLUG: Check out the latest “Where’s Me Culture?” magazine (cough cough 😉 ).
Now I’m back off to my sick-bed… 😮
New Terminal at Cork Airport – was surfing the net and came upon some good photos of the new terminal at Cork Airport. Seems to be taking shape finally. Pics taken from http://www.cork-spotters.com/Development.htm A very good series of photos showing both ramp-side and aerial views over the past year, with the latest photos taken a few weeks ago.
@lexington wrote:
😮 Regarding Cork2005 , I have to say that a number of developers around Cork should be noted for their very active and generous contributions to Cork’s European Capital of Culture title. Notably the Shipton Group (as mentioned above) for their 250,000euro contribution (150,000 of which goes into Cork2005 projects, and 100,000 specifically designated for projects related to the Blackpool and Northside communities.
O’Flynn Construction are sponsoring the the most valuable short-story literature event (I’m told in Europe!), with a prize of 50,000euros attached – and made a sizeable donation to the fund.
OCP have made sizeable monetary contributions to the Cork2005 fund, engaged in a number of celebrations hosted at its Mahon Point premises and is currently hosting the Pauline Bewick art exhibition at its new HQ in 21 Lavitts Quay.
Frinailla, Bowen, John F. Supple among others have also contibuted generously. Interesting.
I’d wholeheartedly agree, developers and construction companies are contributing handsomely to CORK2005 events and they are to be applauded for it.
On a related issue, the Clarion hotel will host Lynes and Lynes’ much heralded Cork Auction on Tuesday afternoon with the jewel in the crown of the Crawford’s collection going under the hammer.
John Butt’s (previously accredited to Grogan) View of Cork will be sold for in and around the € I million mark. It could be the most expensive painting sold in theese islands this year.
This painting is of upmost importance to the City of Cork and to the Crawford Gallery. I raise this point here for a number of reasons:
(1) As a view of 18th century Cork architecture in totality it is second to none – in fact it is the only view of cork from this period. It is, quite frankly beautiful. The taught of it leaving Cork should bring a tear to the eye of any true Cork person and for it to be locked away in some private collection would be an immeasurable loss to the city.
(2) In the hope that the above modern-day “merchant princes” may read this and decide to do something truly heroic and worthy. Even if its just for the publicity, it would be marvelous to see those so often mentioned on this thread put their hand in their pockets for this piece of Cork’s history.
The City and her people would be eternally grateful.
*UPDATES*
😉 Will have a nice bit of news for you tomorrow evening fingers crossed! Many of you have been waiting on this.
Images will be up soon for John Mannix’s Washington Street development which was brought to appeal following a revise grant by Arthur Leahy (CGP). The decision is due on Wednesday – although ABP indicated there may be a small delay on that.
🙂 RM – this is becoming Artiseek.com. But I agree, Nathaniel Grogan’s “View of Cork” is a superb piece, among my favourite in the Crawford Gallery. The Daly Family Trust had been very good in loaning the piece to the Crawford for such an extended period, and I have no doubt that any individual(s) that purchase the work will undoubtedly consider the same – perhaps not on the same basis, but even for periods of time. We’ll see.As some of you may know, I’ve been looking for images of the new Cork Archives Institute building in Blackpool for quite a while. That’s why I was delighted to find these on the Archives’ own website. Lex, you may rest easy now 😉
Located on Great William O’Brien Street, at the rear of the old Fire Station it is currently mid-construction and due to finish later this year. The building will feature exhibition and research facilities and modern strong rooms. It will allow the Archives to vacate Christ Church on South Main Street, allowing this building to be used for more suitable, cultural activities.
What do people think? A bit shed like?
For a civic building of reasonable importance its all just a bit underwhelming.@Radioactiveman wrote:
What do people think? A bit shed like?
nothing that a massive amount of ivy couldn’t sort out. what’s the story with those big curved roof scoops? random, no thanks.
I have seen this building under construction. very small no? the roof seems to low for ordinary height people. Very ugly also. It is funny I think how city fathers can constructed ugly buildings but judge other private buildings so strictly – it is the same back home. I heard this building (Archives) was to use grain silos on docklands refurbished once – but this is no more. My company in Cork was working with IAWS for a new development here instead.
I see some links to the new terminal construction have been put up, but as I may as well put mine up anyway.
Taken from the apron at 9pm on Friday, 20th May
Taken from the short-term (future long-term) car park at 6am on Monday, 23rd May😀 ABP have confirmed that O’Callaghan Properties plans for the redevelopment of Jurys/Lancaster Quay has been given the go-ahead subject to conditions. The decision, made last Friday evening was submitted to interested parties as of Monday.
It is believed that demolition works will commence on the former InterContinental/Jurys hotel building within the imminent future – following which will be a number of site assessments before Bowen Construction commence the main construction work. Up to 63 units and the 6-storey, 182-bedroom new Jurys hotel will be constructed as part of the 1st of 3 phases which is scheduled for a late 2006 completion. As part of the new development, a new vehicular bridge (post a re-application) and underground car-parking for what will ultimately accommodate 450 parking spaces will all be constructed.
Conditions imposed include a reduction in height of Block E BY 1-storey and the omission of Block A, the 9-storey centrepiece building (unfortunately). Don’t think OCP can be too delighted with that prospect however, considering Ronnie McDowell’s CCC conditions reduced numbers to only 257. The Lancaster Quay frontage will remain the same. Block A can be seen centre of the image posted below.
Henry J. Lyons were the architects on the project (Finghin Curraoin), with Niall Fitzsimons acting in a consulting engineers position.
(:p: Ahhh, letting that out felt good. It’s like knowing your next-door neighbouring is having an affair with the postman and not being able to tell anyone. Except with buildings…cough cough.)
@Mob79 wrote:
Do you know whats going to be there instead of block A?
space – the final frontier…
…im guessin a public plaza or some landscaping or somethin. i agree block a was prob the nicer of the buildings. the mystery of abp.
anyone else know??? at least it didnt get refused. 😮
The ole AnBP gem – omit the biggest part and grant the rest. Is this really the best way to grant planning? How does the project compare having this omitted?
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