Look at de state of Cork, like!
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I’m a bit confused about what would be removed from the Custom House Quay site. Is it just the portion outlined in red in my copy of the picture, or is it more than this?
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Will have details on Riga Ltd (OCP) appeal for the Lancaster Quay/Jurys Hotel redevelopment later today.
@jungle wrote:I’m a bit confused about what would be removed from the Custom House Quay site. Is it just the portion outlined in red in my copy of the picture, or is it more than this?
Yes jungle, the area you have highlighted there is the existing Cork Bonded Warehouses extension.
Personally, I’ve no problem with removing the Cork Bonded Warehouse section (outlined in red above). As you said lex, it is of no architectural or historic value and is actually detracting from the historic POC warehouses.
I’m glad I wasn’t totally devoured for my views on this site, but Pier39 is probably right, I’ll wait and see what is on offer.
Maiden looking out over the sea- my arse!! What about the head of that serpent St. Finbarr chased down there? Now that would be cool! — I must restrain myself!I remember going to a talk in the RIAI a few years back where a planner was proposing to put pedestrian bridges linking this piece of land to both sides of the river. From a practical point of view it made sense in terms of linking this area to the Railway Staion etc, but I must say the visual power of the land at which the two sections of the Lee rejoin would be severely detracted from by any bridges that are built to close to its very tip. Does anyone know if it is still planned to put pedestrian bridges here?
Thanks
Phil
The plan for pedestrian bridges here was more a CCC wish than a development reality. Port of Cork were utterly oppose to the idea. However, in this CG Image of Wilson Architecture’s conceptual plans for the redevelopment of Horgan’s Quay (no longer in play) – a’moveable’ pedestrian bridge is clearly evident connecting the new plaza at Horgan’s Quay to Custom House Quay/Anderson’s Quay. If OCP plans do come to fruition, they will likely seek to maximise the development potential of this land section – perhaps the most valuable section in terms of construction ability, unfortunately, it is also the most prominent.
Beyond that, the Water Street, further down along Horgan’s Quay will likely be the next provision of bridge in this section of the city. PoC are also oppose to this – understandably in this instance I suppose – so the plans for the bridge will involve its ability to tilt and/or part-centre – allowing a regular flow of medium sized vessels up the channel. However, as port activities move further east, the traffic will be mostly limited to recreational, tourist and the odd naval vessel.
@Radioactiveman wrote:Maiden looking out over the sea- my arse!! What about the head of that serpent St. Finbarr chased down there? Now that would be cool!
RM – where’s your sense of romance??? 😉
I’d have thought having a tall building right on the tip with the lower PoC buildings behind would look a bit unbalanced, but perhaps it depends on the design. Another one I can’t wait to see.
As an alternative though, would it not be more appealing to build this tower as a vertical extension to the PoC buildings (similar to the proposal for the protected building on Lavitts Quay?), but at the Western side of the site next to the Custom House? The exterior of the PoC buildings – and the Eastern end – would be untouched.
Then the site would taper more naturally from the tower, to the lower PoC buildings, to the quayside and the water.
@lexington wrote:
The plan for pedestrian bridges here was more a CCC wish than a development reality. Port of Cork were utterly oppose to the idea. However, in this CG Image of Wilson Architecture’s conceptual plans for the redevelopment of Horgan’s Quay (no longer in play) – a’moveable’ pedestrian bridge is clearly evident connecting the new plaza at Horgan’s Quay to Custom House Quay/Anderson’s Quay. If OCP plans do come to fruition, they will likely seek to maximise the development potential of this land section – perhaps the most valuable section in terms of construction ability, unfortunately, it is also the most prominent.
Thanks Lexington
The one I saw also had a pedestrian bridge linking Custom House Quay to Kennedy Quay.
What is the reason for the unbalanced look of the front of the Custom’s House? It looks like it was designed to be symmetrical and they ran out of money.
The apex of land (Cork Bonded Warehouse) jutting into the river in the photo is a great location to put up something really eye catching. The apex is a great feature to have in the river which could be really utilized well for a showpiece building. The overall area looks very piecemeal and drab.
Here’s a craaaazzzzy idea. How about we dispense with the Office tower at the end of CHQ, keep any plans to convert the old Warehousing, knock the shabby Bonded warehouses and place a landmark piece sculpture (a spire, but not a spire) at the point of the island and boardwalk the surrounding quays.
Just an idea, since i doubt whether a tower development at this location would ever get a go ahead.
Just a reminder about this:
Kyrl’s Quay Design Ideas Competition
A selection of entries for this competition, including the prizewinners, will be on display at two locations in the near future.
Bodega Bar on Cornmarket Street 19th and 20th May.
City Hall, Anglesea Street, 23rd-27th May.The area covered by this design competition includes some very interesting, but shabby enough buildings. It is directly adjacent to the Bridewell Garda Station – the second most impressive Garda Station in the city (the first being Barrack Street – u cant beat a Garda Station in an actual Fort!!!)
Next to the Station has to be some of the most impressive gates in the city (Cork Timber Suppliers) and directly across from these is the most impressive public toilets in the City (possibly the country- ok, maybe not)- at least from the outside. With a piece of the original city walls running through the site- its choc-a-bloc with character. Of course I’m not suggesting we keep these bits and pieces in position(except the wall, of course), but it would be nice to think that a few of these quirky little features would be included in the masterplan for the site! 🙂@Radioactiveman wrote:
Here’s a craaaazzzzy idea. How about we dispense with the Office tower at the end of CHQ, keep any plans to convert the old Warehousing, knock the shabby Bonded warehouses and place a landmark piece sculpture (a spire, but not a spire) at the point of the island and boardwalk the surrounding quays.
Just an idea, since i doubt whether a tower development at this location would ever get a go ahead.With highrises on the quays south and north of this site a landmark piece sculpture might add a certain symmetry to the whole docklands area and as a welcoming focal point to Cork from the east! The picture is in my head……… 😉
@Pug wrote:
whats the word Lex my man? did OCP get past ABP or is it all still on the QT? 😎
I’m afraid the decision has been deferred to May 18th 2005 – tomorrow. The report is still with the Bord. Although the decision date has been deferred until tomorrow evening, that still doesn’t guarantee a decision then. Sorry, you’re going to have to keep biting those nails a little longer! 😮
– obviously I can’t pre-empt what exactly the Bord will decide, but based on available information and with my own understandings of the situation, I’m going to go out on the limb and say I believe the Jurys scheme will be granted. Under what conditions I don’t know – but let’s just hope I’m not wrong! 😮 😉
Any other bets? 😀
@lexington”]you’re going to have to keep biting those nails a little longer! <img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/redface.gif" alt= wrote:
No need to bite the nails Lex, I just moved back to Cork from Dublin and I genuinely am delighted to see all the developments etc going on, long may it continue. I know we can have the odd robust discussion about whether or not something good is being developed but the way this country goes, sometimes I’m grateful that anything gets done at all. I would love to see a few nice tasteful 15 stories popping up here and there
No fear of OCP anyway I’d say.
@Pug wrote:
no more vibes / guesstimates / news on who bought the tesco site in midleton?
You’ll have to excuse me – but I haven’t been keeping an eye on the whole Tesco Midelton unfoldings recently as I’ve been sidelined by city ‘goings-on’. It would seem the town centre Tesco Midelton site was jointly purchased by Gerard Beausang (that of Beausang Construction based in Midelton) and the owners of Cash & Carry Kitchens Ltd (who also have other interests in the area) for a figured est’d at around 5m euros. Mr. Beausang has been involved in a number of developments in and around Midelton/Cloyne area – such as those at Spital Lane, Cloyne and Castleredmond, Midelton. He is also an avid GAA supporter – in fact, I believe he is sponsor of Cloyne GAA (!).
Apologises for the late reply – but I wasn’t really following the details on this one and I do owe that info to an ‘informant’. So as they say, “a big up” to him for providing those details! 😉 Thanks!
😮 Carrigaline-based Ruden Homes have been granted planning by Cork County Council (CorkCoCo) for a massive development of 554 new residential units, a creche and a retail unit at Lehenagh More in Togher – not far removed from Cork Airport. The development will consist of 53 detached homes, 170 semi-detached, 300 terraced houses and 31 apartments.
😎 Meanwhile, Tom Scriven’s plans to redevelop The Brog Maker public house along the Frankfield Road, just of the Kinsale Road Roundabout, have been refused. The plan included the development of a new 2-storey licensed premises with adjoining 3-storey building containing an off-licence, bookmakers, retail shop, restaurant, 5 office units, 4 apartments and a basement car-park.
😎 Coleman Brothers Developments have had an extension to their ‘Woodfield’ development along the Station Road, Blarney refused also. The extension was to include 21 apartments over two 3-storey blocks. I’m told they will most likely go to appeal. But dare I say it, I agree with the decision in this case.
😎 I see the IFI plant at Marino Point has been sold by HOK at around 23m euros.
:confused: And speaking of sales – what about the sale of the Jeannie Johnston to the DDDA for 2.7m euros!!! Handy little profit there, considering the thing cost 15m to construct. :rolleyes:
Should have news on Jurys decision this evening. The decision is due before office closing hours.Couldn’t Cork City COuncil have purchased the Jeanie Johnston if it was going for a measly 2.7m?
It would have made for a nice little tourist attraction down around CHQ. 20:20 vision i suppose.
Go Jurys!!!!@lexington wrote:
😮 Carrigaline-based Ruden Homes have been granted planning by Cork County Council (CorkCoCo) for a massive development of 554 new residential units, a creche and a retail unit at Lehenagh More in Togher – not far removed from Cork Airport. The development will consist of 53 detached homes, 170 semi-detached, 300 terraced houses and 31 apartments.
Why do Cork Co Co keep allowing more houses to be built at the end of the runway? As the airport gets busier, it’s only a matter of time before the people in these houses start complaining about aircraft noise and looking for restrictions on flying hours.
It’s not as though it’s a great area for development; access roads are poor and public transport is non-existent.
But land is cheap! well, comparitively.
I agree. CorkCoCo policy toward this type of development at these locations is very poor. it’s simply a way of them maximizing their own welfare by exploiting the locations proximity to the city. By right this land should be city territory now. This type of development does not add well to the cause of proper urban planning. I think CoCO know this and that ultimately this land will have to be hand over to the city council. it’ll leave a right old mess and take away from city development. the city are trying to encourage centre living, this type of thing works against that and encourages urban sprawl. This is why I suppose I would rather encourage some tall developments in the city…so more persons can be accomodated in the city and as lex once said, greenspace can be increased allowing families and others take advantage of recreation and amenity facilities and restricting rotten urban sprawl. Cork should be protecting its greenery and counrtyside which is among the best anywhere. bad move by the county council i think. It wont help if the airport ever want to expand again either. No doubt we’ll be reading residents complaining about air traffic pollution in the Evening echo some time in the future. why what you think?
😀 Proper order too! Howard Holdings have seen ABP grant permission for the 12m sculpture proposed outside their recently completed City Quarter development on Lapps Quay. Howard Holding’s were brought to appeal by An Taisce member Tomas O’Scannlain, a serial objector to numerous development projects around Cork. His objection was related to a personal preference to see a ‘water feature’ instead of the quill-like sculpture proposed. The Bord unequivocally decided that the sculpture proposed would ” enhance the visual amenities of the area”.
🙁 Only days after their grant, OFC have been brought to appeal by resident Margaret Walsh regarding their planned development for Maryborough Hill of 45 apartments and 29 mixed housing types. Hogan Associates are responsible for their design.
😮 On a lighter note, Mr. Keohane is breathing a little easier these days after an appeal, against the recent grant provided to his Grangefield Developments for 226 residencies (houses and apartments) + optional serviced sites at Ballincurra near Midelton, was withdrawn.
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