Look at de state of Cork, like!
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Pictures would be fab if you could get them. If Horgan’s Qy ever gets a move on that is…
It’s exciting alright – compared to what’s there at present. However if two separate submissions are made by An T for that Mannix Culhane building on Washington St – imagine what this will attract.
The ones above are from Murray O’Laoire’s own site.
Yeah I saw the Planning Report, ugh – it’s so frustrating. The Mannix Culhane building is designed by Coveney & Assoc of Monkstown, Cork and has been designed in-line with the general style of the Washington Street area (with apparently a ‘modern twist’ – make of that what you will!) 4 submissions have already been made against the project – plus Further Info has been requested by Cork City Council. Fingers crossed!
Also, Howard Holdings have made further steps on the Business Centre proposals adjacent to City Hall, while Cork City Council have made notices for their planned new Civic Building across the street, south of Angelesea Street Garda Station.
O’Flynn Construction are expected to make an announcement regarding their Eglinton Street site within the next few weeks.
(Come on Water Street!!!)
In relation to the Water St. Development Proposal – I am wondering whether An Taisce will object or not, I have a feeling (and I could be very wrong) that An Taisce will not object, although I am sure that neighbouring residents probably will. However, I do not expect or sense any discernible ‘ourage’ nor should there be.
If An Taisce object, on what grounds would this objection be? Building Height ? – The Cork High Buildings Study identified this location as a candidate for high buildings, as did the Cork Docklands Development Strategy and the current Cork City Development Plan. It is a brownfield site on the waterfront, facing south over the city at a gateway location in terms of vehicular and maritime traffic. A high building is essential, appropriate and sustainable. If it were a four storey building, would An taisce object on the basis of it being too low, contrary to City planning Policy and govt guidelines on density and sustainable development?
In terms of design, it, to me, seems quite attractive, although i agree that it can appear monotonous. However, as is often the case in docklands projects, the initial scheme often acts as a catalyst and compromises can be made – eg dublin docklands, canary, bristol. I really hope that CCC give it support because it will kickstart the north docks and the city cannot afford to wait for CIE or Treasury to move on Horgan’s Quay.
I hope also that CCC do not take a number of floors off just to appease the inevitable gombeen local slopitician who is guaranteed to get involved and create pathetic references to Ballymun, the glen etc. Taking four or six floors off this will ruin the opportunity to set the tone for Corks new urban quarter, will institutionalise a conservative approach to design/height/architecture and would be irresponsible and, i believe, contrary to proper planning and sustainable development Cork should learn the lessons from the early approach to dublin docklands and see a project like this as a strategic opportunity to deliver positive developemtn for the entire city
Also, I do not think the site includes or adjoins a protected structure, will not compromise neighbouring dwellings sun/day light. If An Taisce object, on what grounds will this be? By the way if they do object on sound planning grounds (although i cannot anticipate these), leave them, they are entitled, lets have no abuse.
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If it were a four storey building, would An taisce object on the basis of it being too low, contrary to City planning Policy and govt guidelines on density and sustainable development?No but no developer would ever for apply for permission for less than is attainable.
Originally posted by bunch
I hope also that CCC do not take a number of floors off just to appease the inevitable gombeen local slopitician who is guaranteed to get involved and create pathetic references to Ballymun, the glen etc.My first encounter with Royston Vessy Brady ( Brother of Fulton Brady) was at the Smithfield planning enquiry, his contribution was welcomed by no-one but himself.
Originally posted by bunch
Taking four or six floors off this will ruin the opportunity to set the tone for Corks new urban quarter, will institutionalise a conservative approach toOne positive development in recent times has been the way that decisions are now delivered. Before a developer who wanted an eight storey building would need to apply for 14 story building, the Council would offer 10 and ABP would give them 8.
The architects would design a 14 storey building which not only lost 6 floors but also all architectural quality in transition. Now you get a simple yes or no.
Cleary Doyle Building and Civil Engineering Contractors have won the bid for contract of Cork City Council’s 32million euro extension of City Hall. The new building is designed by ABK Architects.
Cleary Doyle are responsible for the 12million Euro new Cork VEC and 35million Altana Pharma plant in Cork also.
Also CDA Assoc announced that O’Flynn Construction would begin starting construction of No.6 Lapps Quay as of this week.
Anyone who’s followed my posts will know that I’m a strong advocate for the development of Cork city. I’m have strongly endorsed city projects such as Water Street, City Quarter, No.5 and No.6 Lapps and 21 Lavitt Quays, Paul Kenny’s South Main Street development, John Mannix’s Washington Street development and many more, both online and on the ground – however, I am deeply angered by the grant of permission to Grangefield Developments for the partial demolition of the Victoria-esque Arbutus Lodge Hotel in Montonotte, Cork and the construction of 2 apartment blocks ranging between 3, 5 and 6 storeys high.
I recognise many changes have been made by Grangefield in order to gain planning permission, but the project still remains grossly out of place, unsuited and downright ugly in what is predominantly a leafy, residential housing suburb overlooking the city centre from the northern slopes.
The project has little to no architectural merit (James Leahy & Assoc., Cork) and ruins what is an elegant former manor and hotel. The immediate access is poor and has traffic difficulties as it is. The immediate surrounding area is taken up by a pleasant leafy garden area and a number of unique one of houses overlooking the city. The construction of a 6 storey apartment block devastates resident privacy and brings to which has always traditionally been a nice owner-occupier housing area, the monstrosity of a development which will accomodate temporary residency in the majority – ruining the family centred quality of the area.
2 crimes are being commited here – the devastation of a classic architectural structure which has been adequately retained, and the imposition of an oversized apartment development in an area completely unsuited to such a project.
This is a further notch down for my believe in Cork’s planning authority. How is it that suited city centre projects such as Paul Kenny’s South Main Street office/retail/hotel project are refused (permission was only granted after appeal), and the partial demolition of a architecturally significant structure and erection of an apartment block in a leafy residential suburb gets the go ahead first round? It’s another example of an appalling planning system.
I am an advocate for such large scale development in Cork, but where it is right and suited. This sort of project should be forwarded in a city centre location such as the former Irish Internation Trading Co. premises between Angelsea Street and South City Link, or docklands, or city quay areas, not in a green suburban area.
This is a disheartening development, just when I thought they were copping themselves on.
I only hope Water Street, Mannix project, Eglinton Street, South Main Street and other such projects are given rightful permission. It will help redeem my faith in CCC, but it may be too late for the Arbutus. Hmmm.
No.5 and No.6 Lapps Quay
Picture of City Quarter development (with No.6 Lapps Quay to the west)
Another pic of City Quarter from the east.
21 Lavitts Quay
New Irish Examiner HQ on Lavitts Quay (21 Lavitts Quay will be immediately to the left [or west] of the building)
2 smaller pics of alternate Irish Examiner HQ view (incl. aspect to Cork Opera House)
It has been announced the the new Irish Examiner HQ site has been attained by an undisclosed bidder and that the building will be complete for early 2007.
Badaboom!
Lexington, is the Examiner building shown above the pre or post hobbling by An Bord P? It’s looks a story smaller in the 21 lavitts qy picture…
Originally the building was designed at 7-storeys but I do know An BP in their report specified a ‘desirability’ to see a reduction of 1 floor to 6-storeys. However, as far as I know, the 21LQ pic incl’d the Irish Examiner building as a projection and comparison and incorporated an earlier design of the building than the one that then went for PP. So I’m not quite sure. If you look at the 21LQ pic, the design on the IE building is different to that of the O’Riordain Staehli pics.
I do know, however the revised IE design is now 6-storeys.
Any opinions on the other pics???
I’ll have more up soon.
Horgan’s Quay has had a myriad of plans associated with it over the years – all of which have been squashed due to certain Fine Gael TDs and the slowness of CIE to utilise it’s properties in a profit-maximizing and efficient manner.
However, the latest plans – which are driven be strong private backing and the phenomenal boom in the Cork city property development market – consist of a 5000 seat convention centre, up to 5000 residential units (which will probably be restricted due to the Cork City Development Plan 2004-2009 specificity with relation to Horgan’s Quay as a commercial zone), a new office, IT and associated commercial district backed by Manor Park Homes, Treasury Holdings and CIE (as well as a number of local provate investors). The total investment has been estimated by Cork City Council at a min. of 245million euro. No formal launch has been made as of yet – mostly due to CIE dragging its heels.
*UPDATES:*
O’Flynn Construction have announced the launch of No.6 Lapps Quay (see pic in prev. post) which has begun construction based on the huge demand associated with No.5 Lapps Quay. They are also behind the massive, announced retail and residential developed at former sorting office on Eglinton Street.
Corbett Brothers Development have begun construction on a major commerical and residential development at Copley Street.
Bride View Developments have sought planning for 193-apartments in a series of 5 storey blocks at Rochestown. (shudder!)
Cumnor Construction have applied for permission for a 7-storey apartment building at Sunnyvale on Sunday’s Well overlooking city centre.
Howard Holdings confirmed plans to begin construction on new 15 million euro Business/IT centre at Albert Quay.
Work begins on 60-million euro Cork School of Music on Union Quay in July.
And an unnamed investment group, whom I can’t as of yet reveal, have begun pre-planning for the purchase of the former Irish Distillers site on the North Mall (estimated to sell for 30-million for 14.4acres in city centre – rivalling a proposed bid by UCC) and development of a new low-rise, gated, pedestrian urban community with boardwalks, cafes, restaurants, theatres, helath centres, bars, clubs, duplexs, offices, shopping boulevard and college centres – est’d to be worth over 145 – 225 million euro. Please remember this is only a pre-planning proposal.
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