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HSA orders work to cease on Cork sites
22 March 2005 15:11
The Health and Safety Authority has ordered work to cease at 19 building sites and a quarry in Cork over the past month during a planned campaign by the authority on workplace safety in the county.The crackdown followed the deaths of four people in workplace accidents in Cork in January, more than the total number of fatalities there in the whole of 2004.
Two men died at Tivoli docks. Both deaths involved accidents with trucks. Another man died when he fell off scaffolding on a building site at Blackrock in Cork city, and a woman died in a farm accident at Cloyne in east Cork.
In response, the Health and Safety Authority announced a planned campaign of inspections by its staff of building sites and farms and on the manufacturing and transport sectors.
The HSA carried out more than 430 inspections in Cork over the past month and it issued the results of those inspections today.
The authority reveals that:
* Work at 19 building sites and one quarry was halted because inspectors felt there was a risk of serious personal injury to the people working there
* A further 12 improvement notices were issued directing the owners of four quarries, three farms, three transport and two engineering companies to remedy safety breaches in their operations
* Seven transport companies were fined around €2,000 each for carrying dangerous goods by road without the proper documentation.
@lexington wrote:
Lexington I have now traced your image the correct title of which is ‘Third Party only Appeals as a % of Appeals Formally Decided’ at no stage whatsoever is reference made to An Taisce. The image is found at http://www.pleanala.ie/third.doc
or can be accessed from http://www.pleanala.ie/anhigh2003.html under the heading third party
I am sure that you have also noted the my previous comments in relation to the decision overturn/varience rate of in excess of 72% in the Cork City area as a proportion of all third party appeals taken by citizens, business groups and ngo’s alike.
Finally I feel that it is important for you to acknowledge the article immediately preceding this post regarding the 19 sites closed by the HSA. And you might as well have a comment on the Good Shepard’s convent while your at it.
@Diaspora wrote:
Lexington I have now traced your image the correct title of which is ‘Third Party only Appeals as a % of Appeals Formally Decided’ at no stage whatsoever is reference made to An Taisce. The image is found at http://www.pleanala.ie/third.doc
Hey, indeed you’re right – and I will rectify that as soon as I can. All my image files are divided among folders with some particular vague headings e.g. abata.jpg (=An Bord Pleanala An Taisce Appeals = abata.jpg) Clearly this is incorrect, and when I locate the correct graph I will post it. My first guess was that the Third Party Appeals graph was then instead the An Taisce graph, however this isn’t the case it would seem. So give me a few days and I’ll get back to you on it. The graph I have was requested by me from the Bord specifically, it took a few weeks to come back – my assumption was that such statistics would be included in the report (hence why I say in my post, I assume its in the report and on website), clearly that’s not so. It’s much more general. However I do know, that the 90% figure is inaccurate from the report I received from ABP. In fact, as it is now 2005, I should only guess that they will have 2004 figures to hand, I’ll issue a fresh request when I can and post the results when I receive them. Fair enough?
Hey when I make a mistake I’ll accept it, but when I’m right, I’ll do my best to prove it. I’m sure you’d do no less.
And of course I noted your post regarding 72% Appeal Rate for Cork, read beneath it. I don’t have any specific figures on Cork, but like I said, could well be true. It’s ridiculous in Cork. I must get onto ABP too to see if I can get some new figures on that as well…when in Rome…
@Diaspora wrote:
Finally I feel that it is important for you to acknowledge the article immediately preceding this post regarding the 19 sites closed by the HSA. And you might as well have a comment on the Good Shepard’s convent while your at it.
Why?
I almost always reply to posts directed at me. There are more on this forum than I. I’m just a cog in this wheel like yourself. 😉
So D2 or D9???
Any news on OCP plans for acedemy st. I belive that the owners of the chateaux have not even been approached by OCP
Although the development should not effect the front and thoose famous steps the back of that pub runs behind both the pharmacy and sasha shop next door. Can’t see how development could go without OCP accuring at least the back part of that property.
:confused:@tomthevet2003 wrote:
Any news on OCP plans for acedemy st. I belive that the owners of the chateaux have not even been approached by OCP
Although the development should not effect the front and thoose famous steps the back of that pub runs behind both the pharmacy and sasha shop next door. Can’t see how development could go without OCP accuring at least the back part of that property.
:confused:You’re right, a few posts back I have an outline posted of, apparent, properties around the block controlled by OCP. Le Cheateau is not included. There is no way OCP would be given grant to demolish those historic waterway steps – and quite right too – they are an irreplaceable and integral part of the city’s history. The concern will really centre on the effects of the development to the facade and steps of the building on the south-west corner of the block – with steps on both Academy Street and Patrick’s Street. I am told that this is being very carefully and sensitively noted in the design (internal, external, structural) of the project – and the effects of construction. Regarding Ryan’s Pharmacy – OCP does control this building – drawing options attained by me showed one option retaining the building’s facade with a small step-back and vertical extension to its rear. With planning being sought this Summer – I can’t see the final plans altering the Patrick’s Street facade all that much. I think the most noticeable change will be to the Taboo Bar and present The Jean Scene store across Faulkner’s Lane, fronting Patrick’s Street.
Lexington
thanks for the reply – i have just seen the plan on the previous post however my point is that the chateau is very much L shaped and the bar extends behind the chemists which ocp own and behind the sasha shop with another enterance on to the dividing street – surely ocp would have to acquire at least the back part of the bar
I believe that’s why acquiring Taboo and the TJS Building were so important for OCP I suppose. Consider the configuration of the site.
It seems a far more practical option to not include Ryans Pharmacy and TJS, and simply utilise the Examiner premises straight across, but a Patrick’s Street frontage is important as this is where the highest volume of passing trade will be attained. Given the structural layout of the block, rather than cut through Le Cheateau, go around it (as noted in the image below – this by the way, is only my own possible layout option). That way, you have a street frontage and adequate avaialble space to link up with the main body of the development. So it is do-able, but like I said, I haven’t seen the final plans yet and can’t comment. When I do, I will let you know.
Let’s hope they select an architecture that compliments the fine buildings present in Emmet Place, one of my favourite areas of the city.
@lexington wrote:
I believe that’s why acquiring Taboo and the TJS Building were so important for OCP I suppose. Consider the configuration of the site.
It seems a far more practical option to not include Ryans Pharmacy and TJS, and simply utilise the Examiner premises straight across, but a Patrick’s Street frontage is important as this is where the highest volume of passing trade will be attained. Given the structural layout of the block, rather than cut through Le Cheateau, go around it (as noted in the image below – this by the way, is only my own possible layout option). That way, you have a street frontage and adequate avaialble space to link up with the main body of the development. So it is do-able, but like I said, I haven’t seen the final plans yet and can’t comment. When I do, I will let you know.
I think Emmet place is being overlooked in this discussion. There are a number of buildings I would not like to see changed on this side of the development. eg AA building. Even the front portion of the Examiner Office is an excellent example of 19th Century architecture and should be maintained, I hope we don’t see a blanket demolition job here.
Recently saw the plan for the new AIB development on Watercourse Road. Its a significant improvement on whats currently there. It’s a sleek, modern design of two storeys. The building will extend out to the same extent as the adjacent pub which will mean a severe loss of foothpath and green area at the front, but I think the impressive design makes up for that.
Meanwhile, across the road a site at 7-11 Watercourse road is being cleared for the construction of 17 no. apartments, comprising of 3 no. linked blocks of 3,4 and 5 storeys with covered ground floor parking, retail space and ancillary accommodation. The developer is Sidney McElhinney.
A subsequent application sought “the provision of a new northern facade with electronic signage “. Now I’ve only flicked through the current Cork City Development Plan, but It clearly states that no new advertising hoardings of any type will be permitted in the Blackpool area. Of course the application for the ‘electronic signage’ was refused. In fact, the developers were told that in its place thay had to put a piece of contemporary public art- How i laughed, HAHAHA 😀
This all begs the question, do developers actually read the Development Plans? I wonder did the above developers think they could slip that through unnoticed. All’s well that ends well I suppose!Who designed the large apartment scheme for Frinailla in Dennehy’s Cross?
I hear the planners love it???????
The planners are promoting it as a prototype for Cork?@Radioactiveman wrote:
I think Emmet place is being overlooked in this discussion. There are a number of buildings I would not like to see changed on this side of the development. eg AA building. Even the front portion of the Examiner Office is an excellent example of 19th Century architecture and should be maintained, I hope we don’t see a blanket demolition job here.
Recently saw the plan for the new AIB development on Watercourse Road. Its a significant improvement on whats currently there. It’s a sleek, modern design of two storeys. The building will extend out to the same extent as the adjacent pub which will mean a severe loss of foothpath and green area at the front, but I think the impressive design makes up for that.
Meanwhile, across the road a site at 7-11 Watercourse road is being cleared for the construction of 17 no. apartments, comprising of 3 no. linked blocks of 3,4 and 5 storeys with covered ground floor parking, retail space and ancillary accommodation. The developer is Sidney McElhinney.
A subsequent application sought “the provision of a new northern facade with electronic signage “. Now I’ve only flicked through the current Cork City Development Plan, but It clearly states that no new advertising hoardings of any type will be permitted in the Blackpool area. Of course the application for the ‘electronic signage’ was refused. In fact, the developers were told that in its place thay had to put a piece of contemporary public art- How i laughed, HAHAHA 😀
This all begs the question, do developers actually read the Development Plans? I wonder did the above developers think they could slip that through unnoticed. All’s well that ends well I suppose!From what i have seen on the Academy Street Development they seem to be retaining the Academy St facade of the examiner office
@Radioactiveman wrote:
I think Emmet place is being overlooked in this discussion. There are a number of buildings I would not like to see changed on this side of the development. eg AA building. Even the front portion of the Examiner Office is an excellent example of 19th Century architecture and should be maintained, I hope we don’t see a blanket demolition job here.
The AA Building is a stone little office to the west of the Insurances House, the 2 buildings are commonly mistaken for one another. If it’s the house you’re referring to, I agree, it is out and out one of my favourite buildings not only in Emmet Place, but all of Cork. It’s a simple, delicate elegance in a crowd of mix-and-match – its also listed, and thankfully, is not part of the OCP Academy Street plans, so it’s safe. Will try and get an image up of that house if I can, but if anyone has one in the meantime, throw it up on this thread – I’d love to see it shared with the members of this forum.
Also, the Irish Examiner facades on Academy Street are indeed unique designs in their own right. I don’t particularly like them, but I recognise how they may be so appealing. I think you’ll be relatively satisfied with the Academy Street development plans outcome in this respect.
@charlie’s angel wrote:Who designed the large apartment scheme for Frinailla in Dennehy’s Cross? I hear the planners love it??????? The planners are promoting it as a prototype for Cork?
Is that a question or a statement? :confused: Where did you hear that comment anyway? I don’t know how planners have reacted to it (officially) – but pre-planning talks seem to be progressive. But then again, so were OFC’s talks on Eglinton Street.
*UPDATES*🙂 RKD McCarthy Lynch are currently working on a revision of Paul Kenny’s 50 Grand Parade site. A new application is being touted for the near future. Architects and engineers have been revising elements to the plan ahead of the application. The Kenny Group are expected to issue a statement soon. I’ll have more specific details on that later. It will be interesting 😉 (!!!)
🙂 You’ll remember way back, I outlined a proposal for the Capitol Cineplex on Grand Parade as proposed by a certain developer which saw the premises being revised for retail usage – well, I can tell you, in addition to Ward Anderson’s own talks, third-party talks have also been on-going with planners. Ward Anderson have been maintaining dialogue with a development group – the process has been such that preliminary designs have even been assessed (preliminary as in pre-planning). The design promoted by the group moves to take full advantage of the highly prominent position occupied by the Capitol. It will provide, apparently ‘a landmark’ (what building isn’t these days?! ;)) structure which will compliment the powerful angle of vision afforded by the length of Washington Street. Oh yes, and in line with my earlier posts, the project will still be predominantly retail.
🙂 Planning is being sought for a 10m euro leisure development along the Link Road in Ballincollig by Wythall Ltd. The project will consist of a full leisure centre, 10-lane bowling alley, 8 five-aside pitches, a gym, treatment rooms, creche, restaurant, cafe and associated facilities.
Also I was looking through plans of Aldi Stores Developments Ltd project proposed for the Heiton Buckley facility on Tory Top Road – I was never a big fan of Carew Kelly Architects, but it’s such a neat little development. I really like it – even the detail applied to the retail units and curves of the duplex blocks, all add to the project really well. I’m surprised at the thought put into it. CCC extended the due date on the project last year until the 20th of June 2005 ( a whopping extension by any accounts). I think the proposal will add very nicely to the area.The details of which are: demolition of the existing structures on site & the construction of a mixed use devt. scheme with a total of 2083m2 gross retail floor space, a creche 201m2, play area & 48 no duplex apts comprising: A single storey Aldi Discount Foodstore, max. height 7.25m with a gross floor area of 1560m2, net retail floor area 1075m2;2 no split level 2 storey blocks, approx 9.5m in height comprising a total of 7 no retail units, 523m2 total floor area & a creche, 201m2 total floor area with a roof play area; The development also includes the provision of 148 no carpark spaces for the commercial element, a gable sign on the Aldi Store, a double sided pole mounted sign at the entrance to the car pk & the replacement of the existing entrance onto Tory Top Rd with a new vehicular entrance; 48 no 2 bedroom duplex units arranged in 6 no 4 storey blocks, with a height of 11.03m & 61 no. res. carpk spaces;all associated landscaping & site dev. works .
Today I received a copy of some CG Images of the 100,000sq ft, 8-storey office development on Centre Park Road by McCarthy Developments Ltd. The project is designed by Oisin Creagh of Murray O’Laoire and adjoins Centre Park House (6-storeys) already in ownership of the developers (their current HQ). The design is inoffensive and is perhaps nothing unique in structure, but it would add positivelly to the area for sure. The project blends a nice mix of materials from Portuguese Limestone Cladding to Zinc elements etc.🙂 I said I’d get back with some information regarding the supposed plan for a 12-storey building on the small, triangular site bordered by Dean Street, Oliver Plunkett Street and Clontarf Street – and the latest is that the site is at leats 12-months away from construction (possibly moe planning pending). An application will be sought in the near future for the unique development – and when it is, I’ll let you know all the details. As it stands, the site will be let by Cohalan Downing for car-parking spaces until that time.
If say, the application is sought sometime in the next month – that knocks 1 months off already, plus the standard 8 weeks planning (2 months), with possible Further Information, due date extensions and appeals all for consideration. The developer is considering all these factors in informing with the clearance, prepartion and primary construction dates.
Well, Pa Johnson’s legendary public house was finally demolished today after 150 years in business – but it won’t be long before a new and improved Pa Johnson’s is back in place, at the very same location, only this time, it will form part of a larger complex being developed by OSB Group. The development wing of O’Sullivan Bros. DIY and Builders Retailling (among other things) is forwarding with Phase 2 of its Camden Court project. This phase will incorporate 50 apartments (on top of the 40 or so as part of Phase 1), a brand new and state-of-the-art Cork Arts Theatre and large, brand new Pa Johnsons public house. The project is designed by James Leahy & Associates, and is being constructed by John F. Supple Contractors.
Here’s an old press image of how the whole project will look (Phase 1 – the lower section to the left, and Phase 2, the bulkier section to the right) in about 15 months. I unfortunately do not have an adequate CG Images from the architect which I can post for the time being.
The project is actually a very striking structure along Carrolls Quay – the first Phase has already gained praise from citizens. I accept this image does the project zero justice, but hey! Copper and limestone cladding is used extensively throughout.
😉 Also, on the sale of the former Doyle-family owned Cork Warehousing Co. facility on Albert Quay – contrary to some media reports, the sale price offers pitched at 7.75m for the 20,000sq ft site. O’Flynn Construction, Howard Holdings and 2 other prominent names are in the mix. However, it would certainly make major sense for OFC to nab this one – as the site would provide an excellent waterfrontage onto Albert Quay for their Eglinton Street development to the rear and may, through an application, provide for additional parking spaces to Eglinton Street – whcih had become a planning sore-point at the moment (with CCC wanting a substantially reduced basement car-park at Eglinton Street – in context, a stupid planning request on CCC’s behalf). Albert Quay could provide the additionally spaces need to assist Eglinton Street sales pitches, while allowing CCC some satisfaction by reducing parking. Who knows?! Either way, Albert Quay will have to be within the commercial/office usage category. Another developer in the running is hoping to provide a 7 to 8 storey office building with retail centre and basement parking.@lexington wrote:
I accept this image does the project zero justice, but hey! Copper and limestone cladding is used extensively throughout.
You just broke my ironyometer.
I’m not sure any image could do that project justice, if the schizophrenic massing is retained.
Believe it or not helloinsane it’s actually not a bad project – but you really do have to see it in real life. Yes it is a bit mad but I suppose that’s why its fun. I know this will receive many members frowns – these things usually do – but all I’ll say is wait to see the done deal in actuality.
Well the Irish Examiner have borrowed again from one of my posts, but hey! In an article by me…sorry, Eoin English (Joe King Eoin! 😉 ), regarding the appeal by Tomas O’Scannlainn of An Taisce brought against Howard Holdings’ sculpture gift to the Cork people he reported the Greg Coughlan (Howard Holdings CEO) said that perhaps the developers shouldseek a more appreciative city to develop and with which to gift such sculptures
. I had a natter with an individual – and quite frankly, Howard Holdings are ticked off, yes, and I 100% agree with them. Perhaps the comment, as reported (but I didn’t hear about personally) was made in the heat of the moment, but I really think the appeal is a low down tactic (this isn’t an attack on An Taisce before anyone screams – its on Mr. Scannlainn). If this is how the city reacts to something as simple and generous (I mean, it was something the could have saved the developers near on 500,000euros) as this sculpture, then maybe I’d agree with Mr. Coughlan.
Not a political favourite of mine, Charlie Haughey, had a great phrase:
“How can I soar like an eagle when I’m surrounded by turkeys?”
Sure, he meant it in a very different way, but it sums up my belief about Cork – how can it soar when it’s surrounded by turkeys? (e.g. CAHRA, SOME not ALL An Taisce objections, Lower Glanmire Roads Residents Association etc)
@lexington wrote:
Believe it or not helloinsane it’s actually not a bad project – but you really do have to see it in real life.
I do? Ah, bollix.
Hey, anyone able to tell me what the full renovations to the county hall consist of??
Please and thx.
Walking down Patrick St on Saturday, I saw that the martyr of a portakabin is still alive and kicking!
Two CIE men were laughing and making cups of tea inside.
A few weeks ago, ‘Inside Cork’ had a cover story on this ‘eyesore’, and how nobody from CIE was available for comment. I feel like dismantling it myself – any volunteers, let me know.Lex – I thought it was agreed that this thing was to go recently??
Rant over……..
@Pana01 wrote:
Walking down Patrick St on Saturday, I saw that the martyr of a portakabin is still alive and kicking!
Two CIE men were laughing and making cups of tea inside.
A few weeks ago, ‘Inside Cork’ had a cover story on this ‘eyesore’, and how nobody from CIE was available for comment. I feel like dismantling it myself – any volunteers, let me know.Lex – I thought it was agreed that this thing was to go recently??
Rant over……..
It is due to be remove – CCC and CIE reached an agreement to construct a new Controllers Office along Patrick’s Street in keeping with the street’s renewal – but CIE are fidgeting AGAIN. It’s just more of the same old crap from a small-minded State dinosaur. I’m not quite sure on the details of the problems though.
@Ah-a wrote:Hey, anyone able to tell me what the full renovations to the county hall consist of??
Follow this link -> http://www.corkcoco.ie/co/web/Cork%20County%20Council/About%20Us/County%20Hall
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