Look at de state of Cork, like!
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- March 15, 2005 at 10:26 am #733322
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Participantthe white deposit is efflourescence – it is a salt that appears when brickwork is newly laid and will eventually wash out over time- it is a natural process and should be gone in a year.
as for the general use of brickwork it has become an increasingly unpopular material choice due to the difficulty contractors have with brick and block layers -a lot of contractors now will not tender for jobs if there is a lot of brickwork-this building will be probably the last brick building you will see for the foreseeable future.
March 15, 2005 at 2:30 pm #733323lexington
ParticipantThe architects for this project are J.E. Keating & Associates – the firm seems to be a big fan of brick-work such as Camden Wharf. It’s other projects such as East Douglas Village also uses this form of brick-work to an exceptionally high aesthetic standard, also, the other big J.E. Keating project under development (and only a stone’s throw away from Camden Wharf) is Sean Mhuileann (see image below), A 169-unit apartment development backed by auctioneer/developers Frank Sheahan and Joe Carey. The development is a highly imposing set of structures near Hewitt Mills along the Blackpool By-pass. Phase 1 (that large stepped 8-storey semi-circular building) was completed by PJ Hegarty & Sons Ltd earlier this year, with Phase 2 (the 3 stand-alone blocks) are currently under construction by Ascon Ltd.

Note: This image is a mirror-reversal -> the main semi-circular structure is actually to the north (left-hand-side)March 15, 2005 at 3:31 pm #733324Doug C
Participant2 images found floating around the web. The research centre may be (probably is) just a project.
Further info on the lighting in the Photonics lab would be appreciated.
Also can anyone suggest very good examples of single houses (old or new) in Cork City or environs.
March 15, 2005 at 4:18 pm #733325Radioactiveman
ParticipantHaven’t a clue about that research centre. The Photonics lab is located in the recently rebuilt portion of the Lee Maltings (protected building). I’ve no information on the lighting – they are nice though.
March 15, 2005 at 4:41 pm #733326Radioactiveman
ParticipantHave a look at this site I found. I think it captures the utter contempt CIE have for their customers, in this case it’s Cork customers. We give out about ‘Dublin’ keeping all the money for itself and not providing for refurbishment of the Train Station etc., but if this is what we’re going to do to it when its renovated, do we really deserve it?
We often praise Cork CIE staff for bravely ‘battling on’ in the face of Government pennypinching and inaction but really, How much is a mop and bucket? The laziness of these people must be a new low. Shame on them. Shame on us!!
http://www.kellstransportmuseum.com/DirtAug04.htmlPerhaps a new thread: Shamefully neglected architecture of Ireland?
March 15, 2005 at 5:30 pm #733327lexington
Participant@Doug C wrote:
Also can anyone suggest very good examples of single houses (old or new) in Cork City or environs.
Probably not the best example but this is No.1 Annaville along the Western Road, Cork – built in a private, gated cul-de-sac with 5 other similar but non-identical residencies accompanying it. The houses (valued at 950,000euros + each) are built in an American Colonial-type fashion with delicate copper finishings to boot! This image doesn’t do the house or houses any justice, but to see them hand-up in real life, they’re oddly drawing. 6 bedrooms and what a location! Built in the 1930s.
March 15, 2005 at 5:43 pm #733328sw101
Participantthere’s a grey stone gatehouse to a graveyard up around wilton somewhere that i adore. i’ll try and track down a foto
March 15, 2005 at 5:55 pm #733329lexington
Participant*UPDATES*
😡 CCC, who at their meeting last night (Monday 14th March 2005), were set to vote on allowing Howard WebWorks Ltd (a company owned by Howard Holdings) possess the Albert Quay site on a 700 year lease from the City Council to develop a 4-storey WebWorks development designed by STW, have voted against such a permission being granted. They claim that a number of councillors are worried about passing over a public building such as Albert House over to a private developer. By a margin of just 2 votes, the motion failed to pass. Joe Gavin is said to be majorly ticked off – and who could blame him. The centre would have been the first of its kind – and was designed in conjunction with CCC. Enterprise Ireland have already begun marketing the project, which they will lease from, to provide start-up businesses with an incubation style setting. Issues concerning the project will be deferred to the next meeting were it is hoped another meeting will take place.
😡 And on another delightful note, Fine Gael councillor Colm Burke (former Lord Mayor) proposed to City Manager Joe Gavin that CIE be threatened with a CPO regarding Horgan’s Quay after 7 years of blatant lies, insults and broken promises on its redevelopment. John Lynch, Chair of CIE, has basically given another 2-fingers to Cork in another recent CIE-issued statement were he said that the promised Urban Rail network (which would have included stations at Blarney, Blackpool and so on) was no longer a CIE concern for the time-being. Joe Gavin said a CPO was unfeasible at this time.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:March 15, 2005 at 6:27 pm #733330Anonymous
Inactive@lexington wrote:
*UPDATES*
😡 CCC, who at their meeting last night (Monday 14th March 2005), were set to vote on allowing Howard WebWorks Ltd (a company owned by Howard Holdings) possess the Albert Quay site on a 700 year lease from the City Council to develop a 4-storey WebWorks development designed by STW, have voted against such a permission being granted. Hmmm – because they’re thick? Probably, but they claim that a number of councillors are worried about passing over a public building such as Albert House over to a private developer. Yes, they are thick. By a margin of just 2 votes, the motion failed to pass. Joe Gavin is said to be majorly pi**ed off – and who could blame him. The centre would have been the first of its kind – and was designed in conjunction with CCC. Enterprise Ireland have already begun marketing the project, which they will lease from, to provide start-up businesses with an incubation style setting. Issues concerning the project will be deferred to the next meeting were it is hoped another meeting will take place.
Well done you tw*ts!
Lexington, what is the present use of the site you are referring to?
March 15, 2005 at 7:53 pm #733331lexington
ParticipantThe current use of Albert House is nothing – it was once a pleasant former train station building, most recently it has been used a CCC Parking Fines Centre and centre for the Traffic Division, but since early this year has been vacant awaiting its refurbishment and development of the WebWorks to the rear. The new development will allocate the top floor of Albert House for Traffic Division usage once again when complete.
March 15, 2005 at 8:06 pm #733332Anonymous
InactiveWhat exactly is WebWorks? Is there no other pubic use it could be put to?
March 15, 2005 at 8:28 pm #733333lexington
ParticipantThe WebWorks will be a 40,000sq ft office-type building which will house units to be let by Enterprise Ireland. These units will be allocated to start-up IT and Finance businesses in an effort to help them develop into successful enterprises. As part of the development, a variety of services will be available throughout the building to assist the businesses in various ways. R&D will be heavily supported at the centre. It will be used as a showcase for up-and-coming technologies developed by local businesses. The centre will create up to 300 jobs when complete.
March 15, 2005 at 8:32 pm #733334Anonymous
InactiveHow can you say that a 40,000 sq foot building that has just been voted down by CCC will be built?
March 15, 2005 at 9:21 pm #733335opus
Participant@lexington wrote:
2. The deadline for final proposal submissions has been extended for March 24th 2005 until April 29th 2005 – as predicted. This is to allow some developers who approached the OPW get their projects into planning. This could mean a few new large-scale proposals headed for Navigation House in the coming weeks – but I can’t say. McCarthy Developments, O’Callaghan Properties and O’Flynn Construction have all approached the OPW and been approached in return. I am also told a very prime city centre site – the subject of many former planning applications – is also set to see a new application placed on it by its developer/owner. It possesses a very attractive location from the Revenue Commissioners perspective. The Sullivans Quay building will be set for either redevelopment or refurbishment – although the latter seems improbable given the substantial subsidence issues related to the current structure.
Thanks a lot for the information, I’ve lived near that ugly monstrosity for a long while now, would be great to see it replaced by something better. Only stumbled across this site around a week ago, took a long time to get through this thread!
March 15, 2005 at 10:25 pm #733336lexington
ParticipantFunnily enough opus , the OPW had actually assessed a number of options regarding the redevelopment of Sullivans Quay themselves before deciding to land-swap the building for new office premises. A number of options were looked at. I actually have drawings on the proposed alterations – I’ll try and put them up soon so watch this space! Demolition it would seem is perhaps the only real issue given the existensive structural issues. However, I am told by one developer who has been keen on the Sullivans Quay lot, that if successful, his company will be seeking to develop a similar height structure with mixed retail, leisure and residential uses – after appropriate treatment of the foundations, which may yet judge the project’s viability. However, the race is way to soon to call at this stage.
March 15, 2005 at 10:28 pm #733337lexington
Participant@Thomond Park wrote:
How can you say that a 40,000 sq foot building that has just been voted down by CCC will be built?
Because of the narrow margin of votes on the ‘dispensing’ of the site to Howard Holdings was so close, CCC have opted to defer a vote on the actual project itself until their next meeting so that in between they may address issues concerning the site – which will be subject to a obligatory repeat vote if favour of the project itself is passed.
March 16, 2005 at 1:49 am #733338lexington
ParticipantDoug C – I’m aware of a few proposals at this particular site, some not unlike the image displayed below, but I can’t say I’ve ever seen this particular graphic before. This is for a site along the southern docklands near Kennedy Quay/Marina Point (note Pairc Ui Caoimh outlined in the background), right? Is this the educational institute proposal? On what site did you attain this image?
sw101, you have any info on this particular image?
March 16, 2005 at 12:20 pm #733339Radioactiveman
ParticipantI think it would benefit the city as a whole (in more ways than one) if Government Offices on Sullivan’s Quay subsided into the River and floated out the harbour. Its a fabulous site and would act as a great bookend to ‘Sraid an Capaill Bui’ if it was developed into retail/entertainment/residential use.
Lex, can you give us a hint as to where OPW plan to move? 😉On the subject of Grand Parade, I know City Library are running a design competition for a new city Library. Are there any real concrete plans to use any of those designs? Surely they’d never get away with knocking any of the current building.
With the movement of City Archives to Blackpool, Christ Church on South Main Street will be available to add to this ‘cultural quarter’ – including City Library, Bisop Lucey Park. What are CCC’s plans (if any) for Christ Church?
March 16, 2005 at 6:15 pm #733340Doug C
ParticipantLexington ,
As requested:
http://archinect.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=search&type=full&search=cork
It is a great site in itself with good interviews, features and excellent Current On Site Photos of interesting projects around the world.
March 16, 2005 at 8:02 pm #733341lexington
ParticipantThis isn’t really an update as such – just more of the same. Below find 2 images of the redeveloped Jurys Hotel site along the Western Road. The scheme is a 130m euro redevelopment project being undertaken by O’Callaghan Properties (OCP) under the SPV Riga Ltd. The planning application is currently the subject of appeal, but has been prioritised with a due date set for May 17th. The development will be conducted over 3 Phases, with Phase 1 scheduled for Summer 2005 – it will consist of 100 apartments + the 182-bedroom redeveloped Jurys Hotel and 450 space basement car-park. The second phase will see the addition of a further 110 apartments, and Phase 3, the remaining 93 (this will depend on the outcome of the appeal – with consideration for conditions imposed by CCC in its grant). The project is designed by Henry J. Lyons and Partners and will be constructed by Bowen Construction.
One image has been seen before, the other is a more specific image of the actual Jurys Hotel element. Further images can be found back throughout this thread.
I sincerely hope the full original application sees a grant from ABP.
As regards Academy Street – the 150m euro retail and residential development by OCP will see between 200,000sq ft and 240,000sq ft of retail space over approx. 40 units (all fashion based) on 3 floor + basement, with the top 3 floors dedicated to 80 luxury residential apartment units.I hope to be able to reveal the international architectural team behind the design in the coming weeks/months (depending) – will have to see. In the meantime, the image below outlines the current area allocated to this new development (with some minor inaccuracies not adjusted for due to inadequate current information regarding the final design).

And as the scaffolding continues to descend off the Patrick A. Cashman & Associates designed, 21 Lavitts Quay, the reality confirms what I had expected. The new OCP HQ and residential development (44 apartment units) is one of the best contemporary additions to Cork’s reshaping cityscape. Imposing yet graceful, the building sets a precedent for development yet to follow along and near Lavitts Quay. Cohalan Downing Associates report that office space at the development has almost all been pre-let or sold and apartment interest has been high with a substantial number of sales already achieved.
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