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anyone know about the following:
a) who is behind the development going on in douglas, opposite dailys shop, ridge developments are the builders
b) there is a swathe of land in passage, opposite the car showrooms of jerry collins ( who has since moved back to enniskeane leaving the site available i imagine) – supposed to be a fair few houses going in on the land opposite these showrooms, any info?
Interesting article in the Examiner today (7/3/05) about the land which Richard Wood has proposed to donate to Cork City Council at an unspecified date in the future.
The land consists of 285 acres around the Carrigrohane road. The land could be used for “As many activities as possible that are consistent with the land’s character” according to Mr. Wood.
However, if the NRA decides to put the North Ring Road through the site, the offer will be withdrawn.
Interestingly, Mr. Wood said that he offered the land to the city because it would benefit City dwellers more than those in the county. Also, he is said to be unhappy with the way Cork COUNTY Council managed the Fota Hourse restoration project – a project which he led for many years.
I think the NRA should know the importance of this offer before they make any decision on the new road. There are currently three routes to choose from and a decision is due in September.
I doubt if the land itself would ever be rezoned due to its position as a green belt between City (Western suburbs) and County (Ballincollig). Neverthless, it is a hugely generous offer. There are a few more developers in Cork who could adopt a similarly civic minded attitude as Mr. Wood.RM
It’s a nice deal indeed – but consider Mr. Woods land offer and the legal issue regarding Bula and his offer becomes a little bit more complicated. Nonetheless it would be a nice public amenity addition – I only hope it would be max’d to its full potential with increased tree cover, open green spaces (like Sheep’s Meadow in Central Park), water features, rentable horse treks etc etc. God knows the city needs green-space.
Regarding the Northern Ring Road for Cork – I’ve good word that the favoured route would see the NRA utilise the existing dual-carriageway slip-road off the Ballincollig By-Pass to round-about near the Carrigrohane Straight – then head off north via Kerry Pike to Monard and off then to a point passed Glanmire linking up with a rejuvenated N8 – which will in turn link up with the Jack Lynch Tunnel and South Ring as it already does. But we’ll see.
Pug – don’t know what location in Douglas you’re referring to. More detail???@Pug wrote:
anyone know about the following:
a) who is behind the development going on in douglas, opposite dailys shop, ridge developments are the builders
b) there is a swathe of land in passage, opposite the car showrooms of jerry collins ( who has since moved back to enniskeane leaving the site available i imagine) – supposed to be a fair few houses going in on the land opposite these showrooms, any info?
Hey Pug, With regards to Developments ACROSS from the old “Dailys Shop” (Which is now the ” CENTRE ” shop) in Douglas village (near Douglas GAA Club for whomevers lost ) is owned by Mr Monte himself (Paul Montgomery of Reardens Bar). I’ve always loved that large house hidden away behind the ivy-grown large stone wall, if its the one i think youve mentioned. Thus , a while back i saw planning to develop it into apartments and was dissappointed.. 🙁 .. I did not see the plans/ drawings for it though ,so even though the dream little hideaway will be no more, i cannot say if its going to be GOOD or BAD. But im sure one or two of you may come back with nearby information. 🙂
Regards…
Lexington,
Do you know if there is any plans in the pipeline to “do up” the last untouched hugenot burial ground in Cork City ,on careys lane.. There was plans to develop on it but objections came in, in the hundred even from afar.. I heard that there is money set aside by the cork corporation to make it an tourist attraction but ..?? Monica Johns clothing shop currently owns it ( Located on French Church St. opposite) but can do ZERO with it because it is listed.. see some old photos from 1920s i think..
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_narrative_page_by_place.do?page_id=2636
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_narrative_page_by_place.do?page_id=2637
🙂 You would think with Cork 2005 City of Culture, they might of used the money avaiable to make it an attraction..
has anyone got information & a copy of the plans/drawings for the train station/docklands area.. When is this development due to take place ?? I have the plans for the apartments been bult by Bride View Developments (where the old petrol station was) if any one would like a copy.. Seems to be tying in with the Siemans building with regards to Plate Glass as a visable feature.. Regards
Paul Montgomery development of 2 houses and 11 apartments…
@keeneye wrote:
Lexington,
Do you know if there is any plans in the pipeline to “do up” the last untouched hugenot burial ground in Cork City ,on careys lane.. There was plans to develop on it but objections came in, in the hundred even from afar.. I heard that there is money set aside by the cork corporation to make it an tourist attraction but ..?? Monica Johns clothing shop currently owns it ( Located on French Church St. opposite) but can do ZERO with it because it is listed.. see some old photos from 1920s i think..
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_narrative_page_by_place.do?page_id=2636
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_narrative_page_by_place.do?page_id=2637
🙂 You would think with Cork 2005 City of Culture, they might of used the money avaiable to make it an attraction..
God, turning a grave yard into a tourist attraction doesn’t seem very dignified. Maybe you just have an awkward turn of phrase. The one in Dublin has been restored and I’m sure it’s an interesting place to visit esp. for people of huegenot descent. If it is to be restored can we not just do it because its the right thing to do and not because we need to commodify another part of our heritage. Rant over.
@keeneye wrote:
has anyone got information & a copy of the plans/drawings for the train station/docklands area.. When is this development due to take place ?? I have the plans for the apartments been bult by Bride View Developments (where the old petrol station was) if any one would like a copy.. Seems to be tying in with the Siemans building with regards to Plate Glass as a visable feature.. Regards
Whoa! A lot of questions there – well, regarding the Horgan’s Quay docklands – the most movement we have seen on this front (the north docklands) has come from Werdna with the Water Street development which is currently in planning. However, CIE formed an agreement with Manor Park Homes way-back-when to develop a new residential and commercial quarter on the 17 available acres at Horgan’s Quay – based on plans devised by O’Mahony Pike Architects in Dublin. Commitments were made 7 years ago at this stage – but CIE have made failed promise after failed promise since. It’s disgraceful. Treasury Holdings were also brought on board at one stage, but their involvement is questionable at this stage thanks to CIE’s procrastination. 3 other Cork-based developers are rumoured to have been involved in some capacity at different stages – although one of those developers may no longer be as interested now that they recently acquired themselves a nice little docklands waterfront site east (cough cough). In addition to O’Mahony Pike, Wilson Architecture, 2 other Cork and 2 other Dublin firms were also involved in masterplans for the quay. If you look back through the thread you’ll see I posted a CG Image of one of these masterplans. Among the plans, 2 or 3 of these contained high-rise developments (one of which = had 3 buildings of 20, 25 and 20 storeys, in that order). The plans were to include as many as 5,000 new residential units over a commercial quarter, public plaza and redeveloped quayside with cafe stalls, boardwalks etc etc. The project wouuld be developed over 5 to 6 years. As part of the redevelopment, a new road infastructure and replensihed railway station were earmarked. Even though CIE Chairman John Lynch promised to redeveloped the train station this year, with completion due in 2007 at at a cost of 25m euro, note I said PROMISED, he has pulled out of this promise yet again. It is now said, CIE is not interested in developing Horgan’s Quay until after Kent Station has been redeveloped – but with no sign of that happening anytime soon – we could be waiting many years still. John Lynch recently said, believe it or not, “Cork is not a priority for CIE.” Well thats been made pretty clear.
– BrideView who purchased the former Unity Petrol Station along the Lower Glanmire Road for 600,000euros are using the F.P.P. that came therewith to develop apartments over a commercial unit in a 4-storey building. The development company has recently applied to extend the penthouse apartment.
– I like that Siemens building, developed by Jack Lynch – designed by Oppermann in Dublin.
@keeneye wrote:
Hey Pug, With regards to Developments ACROSS from the old “Dailys Shop” (Which is now the ” CENTRE ” shop) in Douglas village (near Douglas GAA Club for whomevers lost ) is owned by Mr Monte himself (Paul Montgomery of Reardens Bar). I’ve always loved that large house hidden away behind the ivy-grown large stone wall, if its the one i think youve mentioned. Thus , a while back i saw planning to develop it into apartments and was dissappointed.. 🙁 .. I did not see the plans/ drawings for it though ,so even though the dream little hideaway will be no more, i cannot say if its going to be GOOD or BAD. But im sure one or two of you may come back with nearby information. 🙂
Regards…
Have seen the plans for the Paul Montgomery Site in Douglas, Architects are CMG, Nothing special but nothing too garish either. (ie. His Victoria Mills Development )
alright keeneye and lex
cheers for the info re douglas
any links you have to
a) the drawings of the apartments in douglas
b) the pictures ofr what the brideview apts by the siemens buildingwould be appreciated
cheersBe interesting to see if those apartments in douglas will add to the chaos that is the traffic situation there. Who designs these road systems?
@Pug wrote:
alright keeneye and lex
cheers for the info re douglas
any links you have to
a) the drawings of the apartments in douglas
b) the pictures ofr what the brideview apts by the siemens buildingwould be appreciated
cheersBe interesting to see if those apartments in douglas will add to the chaos that is the traffic situation there. Who designs these road systems?
I dont think this little development will make much of a difference!!!
Aa regards the traffic in Cork I think they just pick any old system and if it works fair enough and if it doesnt work they dont give a toss
@Pug wrote:
Be interesting to see if those apartments in douglas will add to the chaos that is the traffic situation there. Who designs these road systems?
Yeah I can’t see 11 apartments and 2 town-houses really adding to the Douglas traffic fiasco. The new Clayton Love developed 8-storey hotel may have more of a substantial impact. The proposed road as part of the 60m euro redeveloped Douglas Village S.C. by Canmount Investments (Clayton Love again) and designed by Wilson Architecture is a much need addition to traffic management in the suburb.
– redeveloped Shopping Centre proposal for Douglas VillageClayton Love was holding back on this development to assess the impact of Mahon Point S.C. nearby – however, traders at Douglas Court S.C. are reporting that MP has had little effect on business, as the majority of trade is local in and around Douglas, Rochestown, Passage West, Grange and Donnybrook etc.
Permission is in place for the redevelopment – perhaps this news will encourage Canmount to proceed with the shopping centre plans. However I am told that the hotel is for the time being, their priority, in Douglas.
Wow, the images of Horgan’s Quay look great (understandably a bit vague, but it just shows the sheer opportunity there is on site!). I suppose some of us might even live to see something happen there 🙂
The shopping centre in Douglas is very depressing. It reminds me of a fancy shoe box. Most of that structure appears to be carpark. Pretty soon all of Douglas will be either shopping centre or carpark attached to shopping centre. What an exciting prospect for the people of Douglas 🙁
p.s. I think whoever did up those Horgan’s Quay images slightly overexaggerated the size of the Irish Navy 🙂@Radioactiveman wrote:
Wow, the images of Horgan’s Quay look great (understandably a bit vague, but it just shows the sheer opportunity there is on site!). I suppose some of us might even live to see something happen there 🙂
The shopping centre in Douglas is very depressing. It reminds me of a fancy shoe box. Most of that structure appears to be carpark. Pretty soon all of Douglas will be either shopping centre or carpark attached to shopping centre. What an exciting prospect for the people of Douglas 🙁
p.s. I think whoever did up those Horgan’s Quay images slightly overexaggerated the size of the Irish Navy 🙂The picture was taken in 1996 during the Maritime Celebrations in Cork – most of the vessels in the image are foreign. God, Haulbowline wishes that was the Navy!!!
This proposal was abandoned – it was forwarded by Wilson Architecture – and to be honest with you, in my opinion, is not particularly enticing. More can be done – the other proposals designed are a bit more interesting, a bit more risque is some cases. From what I have seen of those however, I still think an opportunity like Horgan’s Quay should be maximised to the full, let imagination and innovation run wild(!), the proposals produced do not do this.
This is just an extract of an e-mail I was sent by Sean Kearns, chief-architect with Murray O’Laoire, for the Water Street project.
“…the application was lodged on the 28th February and it is now reduced from 304 apartments from 400. the Tower has changed location from the west side to the east side of the plaza and is 18 stories high. The buidings have been set back from the neighbouring properties and stepped back to allow for greater dalight and sunlight penetration for these properties and the development itself. There is a signicant increase in public open space and the 10 m quayside promenade is provided without cantilevered sections over.
We responded to all of the concerns raised by the planning Authority and ad(d)ressed them in turn resulting in a 25% reduction in the scheme.
This however, does not mean that they will accept it now and we are sure that they are trying to find other impediments to granting permission as we speak.“
It’s that last comment that troubles me – no planner has been publicly assigned to the application yet. I believe it will probably be a toss-up between Evelyn Mitchell or Ronnie McDowell (if he decides to take on more applications again after his break from doing so). If CCC are foolish enough to botch this project up, they really should be taken outside and repeatedly trashed with a wet fish! One by one. :rolleyes:
😀 1 month before the extended decision due date – Michael Hannigan of the Kino Art Cinema on Washington Street has been given the go-ahead to demolish the existing cinema and construct a 4-storey, 3 cinema and cafe development, designed by Dennehy Designs.
The development is attractive in its design and will add significantly not only to Washington Street’s architecture, but also its culture. A positive step.
See the design at http://www.ddesign.ie Under Projects, and 3rd selection under ‘Community’.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Does anyone know who BCG architects are?
Do they have a website address?Regarding the AIB Blackpool application? BCG = Building Consultancy Group – they of the Ballymun SC.
Building Consultancy Group
9F Eastgate Ave, Eastgate Business Park,
Little Island, Co. Cork.
Tel: 021 4524824 Fax: 021 4524824
Email: info@buidingconsultancygroup.comBuilding Consultancy Group (BCG)
No. 16 St. Stephen’s Green,
Dublin 2
Tel: 01703 8256
Fax: 01 703 8083
http://www.buildingconsultancygroup.com
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