Look at de state of Cork, like!
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J&P closed a deal with OCP whereby they would be offered a new car-showroom site at Mahon Point (ready to commence construction) in part-exchange for their premises at Emmet Place. The Grand Circle, Taboo Bar (across Bowling Green Street) and the current The Jean Scene store on Patrick’s Street (also across BGS) – are also included in the properties possessed by OCP for the Academy Street development block. As far as my understanding goes, Faulkner’s Lane will be built over (OCP and Heron Property did something similar when they were building Merchants Quay) – though as I’ve said, I have not seen the final drawings – BGS may see arch-links over the street with street level access by escalators and stairs, as well as some ground floor/street retail units. The plus on all this is that these lanes that link Patrick’s Street with Drawbridge Street and Emmet Place will at long last be deservedly revamped. It always strikes me how such lanes in the proximity which they are to Cork’s main street are shamefully delapidated and neglected. I’ve always wished to see them perhaps serve a pedestrianised cafe and boutique zones – not dis-similar to French Church Street and Carey’s Lane nearby. Or better still, like the revamped boutique lanes off Grant Avenue in San Francisco.
I share your sentiments as regards those lanes Lexington, such a shame they havent been put to good use as yet, I’m aware of the Grant Avenue area in San Fran, really something to aspire to. Seeing as the trend for development seems to be shifting in this direction anyway, it’s probably just a matter of time before plans are hatched for them, maybe the proposed Dunnes Stores revamp/extension will serve as a kickstart.
Yeah Dunnes have plans to redevelop their original store along Patrick’s Street at the cost of in and around 30m euro. The store will act as their Cork flagship and contain additional retail units besides Dunnes Stores itself – I haven’t seen any drawings or plans here yet, so I’m only going by word from a gentleman within the company. An application is expected this year, if not, early 2006 (?). The plans will hopefully include a redevelopment of these side-streets in line with the Academy Street development.
You’re right Lexington, what with the rents being paid on St. Patrick Street and the success of Frech Church Street, etc it seems silly to leave these areas go to waste. Hadn’t heard about the Dunnes Stores plan. At the moment, the top floors of those buildings are going to waste.
Speaking of Dunnes Stores.. I wonder wether we might hear something soon about Ballyvolane shopping centre. What with the continued growth of Blackpool SC and retail Park, something is bound to happen out there.in cork city council’s development brief for the patrick st/academy st site, it was clear that they are eager to retain the laneways – faulkners + bowling green and it is proposed that any development would use the lanes as an integral part of a scheme – it also suggests widening of faulkners to make an attractive pedestrian thoroughfare
@bunch wrote:
in cork city council’s development brief for the patrick st/academy st site, it was clear that they are eager to retain the laneways – faulkners + bowling green and it is proposed that any development would use the lanes as an integral part of a scheme – it also suggests widening of faulkners to make an attractive pedestrian thoroughfare
Though this is true, it does not necessarily imply that Faulkner’s Lane for example will be retained. When MQ was proposed way back when, planners were initially steadfast in their wish to retain a number of laneways and streets which would be affected by the development. However in the end, it was agreed that in the interests of the development – exceptions would be made given the context.
Like I said, I have yet to view final drawings so I can’t give you a definite on Faulkner’s Lane at this point.
*UPDATES*:rolleyes: John Cleary Developments have been refused planning for 17 light industrial units and 11 incubator units which would have create up to 320 permanent jobs on lands adjoining the existing Northpoint Business Park at Kilnap, Blackpool. Although I still believe the development in principle – which adheres perfectly to existing zoning and planning regulations regarding use – would have been highly beneficial, I’ll have to go with the planners on this one. The development in its design was insufficient – even after Further Info requests and outlines. Hopefully JCD will come back with a more suitable but similar use development in the near future.
– meanwhile, the interesting Motor Mall development planned by JCD for Mahon Point (on former Sifco site) is due a decision date come the 31st March 2005.
🙂 Michael O’Driscoll has been granted planning for the refurbishment and extension of renovation and extension of his office building at 81 South Mall. The building will be of particular note for those interested in period architecture along South Mall. Edel O’Regan and Associates were responsible for design.
🙁 Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) have applies to Cork County Council for further reductions and alterations to the Cork Airport new Terminal development (SIGH!) – first airbridges, now this.So we can see where that clown cullen will be finding the 6 billion he is proposing to spend on that world city (LOL) Dublin.
Time to tell the government where to go with itself. When is the bi-election to replace Coveney going to happen???
🙁 Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) have applies to Cork County Council for further reductions and alterations to the Cork Airport new Terminal development (SIGH!) – first airbridges, now this.[/QUOTE]
Does anyone have a picture of the old swimming baths (recently demolished) behind city hall they could let me have?
@mickeydocs wrote:
So we can see where that clown cullen will be finding the 6 billion he is proposing to spend on that world city (LOL) Dublin.
Time to tell the government where to go with itself. When is the bi-election to replace Coveney going to happen???
🙁 Dublin Airport Authority (DAA) have applies to Cork County Council for further reductions and alterations to the Cork Airport new Terminal development (SIGH!) – first airbridges, now this.
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ah come now……wasn’t it our esteemed Taoiseach who said just last week that he can’t help it if most people want to live in the greater dublin area! it has to be true if it came from Bertie!
that Bus Eireann ad in the examiner yesterday was also fairly pathetic!!
check out the ida website and specifically the investment announcements…
over 50% are for jobs in the greater dublin region!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
anything with finance is automatically directed towards dublin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I live in Dublin but do not want to live here… and I think I speak for at least half of the ‘culchies’ living in Dublin (in fact I shall soon be relocating to Paris :)) why would anyone want to live in Dublin. the place is a hole and I for one am counting the days until I leave the place.@Leesider wrote:
ah come now……wasn’t it our esteemed Taoiseach who said just last week that he can’t help it if most people want to live in the greater dublin area! it has to be true if it came from Bertie!
that Bus Eireann ad in the examiner yesterday was also fairly pathetic!![/QUOTE]
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🙂 I forgot to mention, CCC will be soon proceeding with the development of 150 social housing units along their 5-acre Boreenmanna Road site. The site will comprise of a mix of houses, apartments and duplexes over a number of blocks. As housing prices continue to grow exponentially within the city, the waiting list for affordable housing in Cork now stands at 5,600 (est.). CCC are also looking at developing a further 150 affordable units in the future near Marina Point.
🙂 Howard Holdings are to lodge an application soon with Cork County Council for an exclusive housing development (in the air of its Estuary Court development) on the former convent site at Passage West – which it purchased 6 years ago. The grounds of the site will accommodate 36 detached houses, with the main convent building being retained, refurbished and extended to form 8 own-door housing units.– Howard Holdings other Cork developments at present include: 1.) the completion of City Quarter 2.) 7-storey, 125-bedroom hotel at Lavitts Quay [planning due next week] 3.) 121-bedroom hotel at Kinsale 4.) new Webworks Building at Albert Quay in conjunction with Enterprise Ireland and CCC – due for greenlight within the next few weeks. 5.) plus a number of housing developments in and around the city ~ plans are also afoot for another high-profile city centre/docklands development.
@mickeydocs wrote:
anything with finance is automatically directed towards dublin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With good reason the funds industry or as you put it Finance needs serious professional support services, Dublin and Luxembourg are the two exceptions to the rule, i.e. they don’t have populations in excess of 3 million. If Dublin wins an investment it is not at the expense of Cork, it is at the expense of Paris, London or Frankfurt, I hope that reassures your persecution complex
@theblimp wrote:
I’ve always found that the tidal nature of the Lee has a negative impact on utilising the quays. However this could be easily overcome by putting some kind of ‘weir’ (automated or otherwise), say, under the last two bridges before the two channels become one again. Just a thought – feel free to ridicule….!
a thames barrier? well with rising sea levels this may become financially desirable in the nexy 40 years.
Would anyone care to speculate?
will this remain as a service station if sold, I suspect not, but whatever development takes place will likely house delicatessen takeaway, my sources tell me this sector is the most profitable at that location currentlyHi Thomond Pk. I don’t have a persecution complex, the facts speak for themselves that once again regional development is being made secondary to the drive to centralise everything in Dublin.
Dublin competes against Frankfurt and London because of the tax free status enjoyed by the IFSC. Luxemburg is also a tax free destination. Do you see a pattern?
If this tax free status was extended to other cities such as Cork and Galway I am quite certain that Dublin would have serious competition internally. Let’s create a level playing field in terms of regional development and we’ll see how successful Dublin will be at attracting inward investment. BTW, professional services are not as static as they were due to the improvement in comms infrastructure.
BTW all of my family work in the financial sector so I am speaking with authority as I know for fact that there are several investment companies looking to move to Ireland but would prefer a location outside of Dublin.
@Thomond Park wrote:
With good reason the funds industry or as you put it Finance needs serious professional support services, Dublin and Luxembourg are the two exceptions to the rule, i.e. they don’t have populations in excess of 3 million. If Dublin wins an investment it is not at the expense of Cork, it is at the expense of Paris, London or Frankfurt, I hope that reassures your persecution complex
@Thomond Park wrote:
With good reason the funds industry or as you put it Finance needs serious professional support services, Dublin and Luxembourg are the two exceptions to the rule, i.e. they don’t have populations in excess of 3 million. If Dublin wins an investment it is not at the expense of Cork, it is at the expense of Paris, London or Frankfurt, I hope that reassures your persecution complex
I thought Archiseek.com was never coming back… 😉
*UPDATES*
I have so many updates I can’t even remember most of them, but I’ll try!
🙂 Kilquane Ltd (Howard Holdings) have been greenlit to erect the 12m quill-like sculpture along Lapps Quay, at the entrance to the Clarion Hotel element of their new City Quarter development.
🙂 Isle of Man-based Quality Healthcare Ltd have been granted permission for the redevelopment of the former Shankiel Hospital as a new private healthcare facility.
🙂 Tedcastles Ltd – owners of the 18-acre docklands site near Marina Point have revealed one of their masterplans for the prime docklands development area. Although the plan revealed is a majority residential – which will require rezoning from CCC – the plan includes a number of residential blocks ranging from 3 to 8 storeys in an extensive ‘woodland/park’ style setting. The project would include a number of own-housing units also, with an extensive commercial zone (office buildings will be located to the west of the site nearer to the Power Station) and educational facility (significantly reduced in this plan in response to UCC and CIT’s desire to develop an extended campus to the west of the city – but it’s early days yet). Tedcastles who have extensive property development activities in the USA – may seek to develop the site themselves. In all, an estimated 500 to 600 residenetial units may be provided. The project would have an approximate value in excess of 350m euros – if not more. But I must remind you that this plan is not scheduled for any clear application that I am aware of, and is only 1 of 3 plans already devised by the company. I will post images of this plan later.
🙂 Hungarian national carrier, Malev, has announced that it will begin scheduled flights between Cork and Budapest this coming April.
@Angry Rebel wrote:Have you any details on the airport mods they are proposing?
Various reductions and modifications including the removal of covered canpoy between the new multi-storey car-park and terminal building – but to name a few.
With response to mickeydocs and Thomond Park – I love Cork, I’m very proud of my adopted home, but it does have a high-opinion of itself sometimes. That said, I believe the city has been unfairly and inappropriately treated by the Government and its agencies at large, in terms of funding, development etc etc. The treatment and attitudes of CIE (Horgan’s Quay, Bus Station, Eglinton Street etc) has been 2nd rate and quite frankly insulting. The DAA is pulling petty purse-strings regarding Cork Airport. Our road funding is among the lowest, given the population, traffic volumes and longest road network in the country. Where’s the School of Music??? The list goes on. Further, I believe the rest of the country couldn’t give 2 tosses about all that half the time either – but do you know what, the Cork market is strong (if a little tricky at times) and we have ability. Cork is great for whingeing – even Cork 2005 made a big issue of the ‘whinge’ nature of Cork culture – but Cork is even greater when it gets up of its arse and does something about a situation itself. The recent revival of the city has been in the majority spurred by Cork based private investment (OCP, OFC, Frinailla, Howard Holdings, and the many other private investment groups) – and one must recognised input from outside the city and county. Cork must carve itself its own future – that doens’t mean letting up on broken Government promises (i.e. School of Music and Horgan’s Quay) – but it does mean a proactive approach to Cork’s own future. Why should we waste the energy dropping our jaws in horror everytime Dublin gets that new MNC HQ??? We should be out there competeing, not complaining. Now, the Gov have a responsibility to ensure a proper approach to the NSS – something it has been quite lacking – the country is becoming too centralised, and the Gov need to deliever on that. A counter-balance to Dublin is needed for the country’s sake, Dubliners incl’d. Cork offers the best opportunity (as a focus) to provide this – and in my opinion, is a wonderful location – it just needs the right tweaking. I have a lot of confidence in the city – so let’s get out there and bring the city into the light it deserves, The docklands offers such a gleaming opportunity to make Cork a highly attractive, and relatively more affordable, HQ and large business destination. In economics it’s always said that a company’s greatest asset can quite often be it’s distinction, so let’s ride with that – we don’t need to go a copycat route. If Dublin wants to follow it and it works for them, so be it. To do this, Cork needs to reform it attutudes toward large development and investment projects. It needs to display its unique flair that always seems to be just beneath the surface and never on top – so come on, let it all out. If Cork focusses, the Gov get their act together and we keep thinking on the up – Cork will truly be able to boast about itself more so in the future, without a shadow of a doubt to contradict it. I believe in Cork, I believe in it’s future – so let’s encourage investment in – to do this, we have to create the right accommodative environment.I couldn’t have said it better myself Lexington.
If we want to really make docklands work (and soon) shouldn’t we be thinking of setting up some sort of team to spearhead the campaign. Could be made up of CIty Management, Developers, existing landlords, International and local designers and planners… I know, i know, it could end up just as a talking shop, but at least we’d be talking about getting the job done right (and within all our lifetimes).On another topic, any sign of those images of the new Archive Building for Blackpool Lexington?
Radioactiveman!!!
Lex, if the Tedcastles masterplan you’ve seen is the same as the one I’ve seen then I hope they adopt something else! From memory it looked like a Russian Social Housing project (think Victoria Mills ‘boxes’, but lots of ’em!) – besides would you really wish to leave alongside a power plant?
I know the site quite well and strongly feel that this is the wrong location for housing. Commerce and/or leisure would be far more suitable, but then I’m not Mr. Tedcastles so what do I know?
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