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  • #733142
    lexington
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    CUH plan to begin construction on their 75m euro, 6-storey Cardiac & Renal Facility mid-2005. Though the development has already been granted permission, a further application reassessing the cladding and materials on the building is currently in the planning process with a decision due mid-Feb.

    The development is to be located on the western elevation of the hospital – between the existing main reception and the car-parking areas. Watkins Gray International are the architects behind the scheme – and here is a sneak peek of the development below:


    West looking East – notice the new ORSA design maternity wing to the right (background).


    Approaching the new development’s southern elevation.

    #733143
    jungle
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    @mickeydocs wrote:

    Has anyone heard of the possibility of a rail connection between Cork and Belfast, and Cork – Sligo???

    I can’t see Cork-Sligo happening, although as lexington said Cork-Galway is possible as it just means reopening a stretch of line from Ennis to Athenry.

    Cork-Belfast has been awarded funding by the EU. It’ll basically mean Cork-Dublin-Belfast on the existing line with trains scheduled to run through the Phoenix Park tunnel.

    jaysus, they cant manage the cork-dublin one, let alone any new ones….

    From 2006, new trains will operate Cork-Dublin with a train every hour.

    #733144
    mickeydocs
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    Doesn’t the proposed OCP Academy street development site include a significant number of listed buildings?

    #733145
    lexington
    Participant

    Yup, but if the earlier drawings are anything to go by, some of these are incorporated into the project with relative taste. As for the others, well…

    #733146
    mickeydocs
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    Is Le Chateau listed? Have they agreed to sell? If so do you think the license will be retained by OCP.
    The aa building is definitely listed (beautiful building imo).

    @lexington wrote:

    Yup, but if the earlier drawings are anything to go by, some of these are incorporated into the project with relative taste. As for the others, well…

    #733147
    lexington
    Participant

    Is Le Chateau listed? Have they agreed to sell? If so do you think the license will be retained by OCP.The aa building is definitely listed (beautiful building imo).

    Agreed – it’s one of my favourite buildings in the city centre, it has a stand alone classic grace – as far as I’m aware it’s not in the deal.

    Le Cheateau has not as yet been sold to OCP but a leasehold deal of sorts is being put in place, I’m not clear on it. The building is vitally significant from a historical perspective – in the drawings I saw, the building was not incorporated, and if it was, it was done so very discreetly with the St. Patrick’s Street facade (and those all important steps!) remaining untouched.



    ๐Ÿ˜‰ Mahon Point, as predicted, was utterly packed today, all day, for its opening. Although a number of stores, such as Zara, Next, Lacoste, River Island and Morgan de Toi, were not open (all scheduled to open this w/e or next week), the place was buzzing. I have to say, though it remains far from the most attractive architectural feat on the outside, it has been finely tailored on the inside. The finishing standard is of a high material and architectural standard. The building as a whole looks far far better in the finished flesh.

    – On that note, though it was confirmed talks with Clear Channel had been in motion, very secretly, a report was released stating that the existing proposal would not be financially viable. This report was released officially on Monday 31st, but I am informed it was compiled over 7 to 8 months ago – it would seem, as posted long long ago, to be the first formal step down of OCP regarding the development of the proposed Convention Centre. It is thought, that OCP will sell this area of land off to McCarthy Developments (co-purchasers of the Mahon Point lands, and developers of neigbouring Jacob’s Island) and possibly recoup the majority of the financial sum due to CCC, as written in the sale agreement regarding the MP lands. McCarthy would seek to development extended units and facilities for it huge residential development on this land (but this is still all pie in the sky, I was just a suggestion made by a prominent insider). Now with MP flying, the retail park and multiplex opening soon, construction beginning on the Webprint Concepts facility (by PJ Hegarty & Sons Ltd) nearby and Jurys cleared by CCC in planning, OCP have a lot less to worry about – and thus a lot less to uphold. OCP will hope to see ABP pass Jurys now in its appeal, and any whinging by CCC regarding the covention centre will be swiftly silenced when OCP lodge their Academy Street Development application this summer. CCC are itching to see this development get on the road – and reinvigorate the city centre’s shopping dominance (along w/ the Cornmarket Street and Grand Parade plans).

    – OCP’s other project of 75 residential units along the Old Blackrock Road (designed by Dennehy + Dennehy, constructed by John Paul Construction) is progressing well. I managed to sneak in a quick tour of the site this evening, so far, its looking pretty nice.



    ๐Ÿ˜‰ Projects due for application or development in Cork for 2005 (of what I can tell you) –

    – Jurys Hotel Redevelopment + 300 apartments (ABP pending; fingers crossed!)
    – revised Water Street Development application (for this March/April)
    – Eglinton Street (planning pending – MAJOR fingers crossed!)
    – Cornmarket Street Rockfell Investments project (construction due mid-to-late Feb – mostly excavation work)
    – Pitwood Ltd’s 121-bedroom Parnell Place Hotel (planning pending)
    – Grand Parade Plaza (summer 2005 construction start date due)
    – 2nd Phase Victoria Mills (primary construction due mid-to-late Feb)
    – Victoria Station development (late-Feb/early March construction)
    – 98 units at Farranlea Road by O’Sheas Builders Ltd (appeal pending)
    – 125 bedroom, 7 storey hotel for Lavitts Quay by Howard Holdings (planning pending)
    – 64-bedroom 7-storey hotel for Crosses Green (planning pending)
    – Capitol Cineplex announcement (due for Spring/Summer 2005 – but not definte)
    – Kyrls Quay redevelopment plan (May 2005)
    – WebWorks Albert House development by CCC and Howard Holdings (Spring 2005 construction due)
    – Albert Quay announcement (possible Autumn 2005)
    – Academy Street Development application by OCP (Summer 2005)
    – Kennedy Quay area announcement (Spring 2005 – possibly later)
    – Cork School of Music (who knows?!)

    #733148
    burge_eye
    Participant

    There’s an aerial photo of the Ballincollig Town Centre dev. in today’s Times (sorry, I don’t have access to a scanner). I guess it’s an old photo, as the centre is due to open in October, but it gives a good idea of its scale.

    #733149
    lexington
    Participant

    *UPDATES*

    ๐Ÿ™‚ A city based developer has applied with CCC for the development of a 39-unit, 9-storey apartment building at the site of the quarry at Rockboro (next to the Temple Hill Cork Constitution rugby grounds) along the Boreenmanna Road in Blackrock. The building will comprise of a arrangement of apartment types, topped by a 2-storey 3 bedroom penthouse and extensive private roof-garden (grass, trees, hedges – the works!). The application came under the name Mary Collins. More soon.



    ๐Ÿ™‚ Architects Patrick Cashman & Associates (of 21 Lavitts Quay fame), Midelton, have commenced the development of the former Lough Rovers Club Building on the Bandon Road (near UCC) as 11 new 5-bedroom apartments and 1 3-bedroom apartment over 3-storeys for Student Accommodation. The development is scheduled to be complete by Oct 2005 and forms an extension of the UCC Student Accommodation to it’s rear, The Spires.

    #733150
    sw101
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    is anyone aware of other buildings by Patrick A. Cashman of midleton? he’s off the google radar.

    #733151
    lexington
    Participant

    Farranlea Hall Student Accommodation (72 units), Wilton Road; The Spires (24 units) Student Accommodation, Bandon Road; 21 Lavitts Quay – I’ve more on the list, but let me get back to you on them if I can. All Cashman & Assoc. designs.

    #733152
    lisam
    Participant

    Midleton Park Hotel, Brehon Hotel, Killarney

    #733153
    mickeydocs
    Participant

    Hey Lex, can you give us any more info on what we can expect on Kennedy quay?

    Thanks in advance.

    – Kennedy Quay area announcement (Spring 2005 – possibly later)

    #733154
    lexington
    Participant

    @mickeydocs wrote:

    Hey Lex, can you give us any more info on what we can expect on Kennedy quay?

    Thanks in advance.

    – Kennedy Quay area announcement (Spring 2005 – possibly later)

    IAWS have drawn up plans for R&H Hall Weybridge Grain Silos on Kennedy Quay – to be honest, I don’t know which plan they intend to go with – although I was told of 2. Things may since have changed. I was also told that IAWS intend to make an announcement this year (either Spring or Summer – though you never know, it could be even later) regarding their plans for the site. One involves the sale of the site to a private developer, then using the capital gained to develop a new facility in the Cork Harbour area or further down the Port. The other envisions a joint development. Either way, the schedule of events will be extended – numerous moves will have to be made on the part of IAWS. Their intentions, I presume, would take course over a period of a few years. R&H Hall is a massive site – any private developer to take it on-board would have to be one or two of the big boys – or a collective of medium sized developers. The rewards however could be outstanding – but that depends on how the silos are utilised (whether they be redeveloped, or demolished to make way for new landmark structures). IAWS plans cater for both – but they are not the be-all, a third party may wish to pursue an alternate approach.

    #733155
    dowlingm
    Participant

    Lexington,

    would appreciate any further info on the Temple Hill proj. Have been recalling the site as I saw it last – seems a challenging project to me!

    #733156
    dowlingm
    Participant

    Lexington,

    would appreciate any further info on the Temple Hill proj. Have been recalling the site as I saw it last – seems a challenging project to me!

    #733157
    lexington
    Participant

    @dowlingm wrote:

    Lexington,

    would appreciate any further info on the Temple Hill proj. Have been recalling the site as I saw it last – seems a challenging project to me!

    I’ll have so more info on the project early next week.



    *UPDATES*

    ๐Ÿ™‚ Ascon Ltd have begun the preliminary work (roads, piping, deconstruction of the College Road Boole Gateway – a PS – due to be be reconstructed after completion of the Boole etc) on the University College Cork, 60,000sq ft, 32m euro Boole Library extension. Although, I have no confirmation whether Ascon are the main contractors on the project yet. Primary construction has been earmarked for June 2005 with a completion date set for late 2007.



    Correction and UPDATE

    Based on info I secured for a prominent Cohlan Downing associate, I believe I may have reported that City Quarter had been 100% sold, let or reserved – evidence provided by Howard Holdings today has said that this info was based on a ‘pre-empted deal’ and in fact 90% had been to-date successfully sold, let or reserved. 1 floor (3/4) only remains – w/ 4 offers standing. Howard Holdings today erected a large banner across their City Quarter office development to promote the fact – in an effort they hope will fuel record sale or letting rates within the development. My apologises for the inaccuracy.


    City Quarter, Lapps Quay

    – However, indeed, 60% of neighbouring office development, No.6 Lapps Quay by O’Flynn Construction (in advanced construction stages) has been sold, let or reserved already. No.5 Lapps Quay adjoining, which was sold on a floor by floor basis, has been completely sold out.


    No.5 & No.6 Lapps Quay



    ๐Ÿ˜Ž It seems that both O’Flynn Construction & O’Callaghan Properties are in the Favourite 4 of the OPW’s books for providing the new 80,000sq ft of office space required by the Revenue Commissioners in Cork.

    Although CCC were anxious to see the requirement spur a further docklands development – and it was certainly an ideal candidate – approaches by the 2 developers, promoting their Ballicollig Town Centre Office Campus and Mahon Point Office ‘Arena’ respectively.

    Other runners who have approached the OPW have included SHUL, Corbett Bros., the Kenny Group and others. However, the OPW had been issued specific guidelines, which required them to seek office space (city centre) currently under development or in planning. Final offers are due March 24th 2005. With City Quarter already full, No.6 Lapps Quay more than half sold or let, no other city centre office development currently in planning or under construction is suitable to OPW requirements (Corbett Bros. Copley Street office development measures only 60,000sq ft, SHUL’s Tellenganna Lodge development = 60,000sq ft, The Kenny Group have only site offerings) – only O’Flynn’s 130,000sq ft office development at BTC, and OCP’s 130,000sq ft office campus at Mahon Point have planning in place. The problem is, neither of the developments are in the city centre or within the 2km radius of Kent Station, as required. It is viewed the OPW may overlook this, with O’Flynn Construction possibly offering a concessional public office at its No.6 Lapps Quay office development in the city centre, while the bulk of the Revenue Commissioners space remains at BTC. Similarly, OCP may offer a concessional city centre space to the RC at 21 Lavitts Quay office development, at the bulk of the RC space at Mahon Point. O’Flynn Construction project that they will have the majority of office space at BTC available for Spring/Summer 2006, while OCP project that they could speed up development of their office element for completion in Summer/Autumn 2006 also.

    Though other offers will undoubtedly be made by other developers, and perhaps the RC will remain in the city – I just thought I’d let you know the perspective of the above developers. The OPW may for example, be so attracted to a site like the one offer by the Kenny Group at 50 Grand Parade (right across the bridge from their existing Sullivans Quay office building), they may be willing to wait while the project runs through planning again and is constructed thereafter. Who knows?! It’ll all depend on the offers – but consider the advantages of BTC and MP – low rates, free abundant parking, a myriad of staff facilities, easy access. Hmmmm. It would be nice to see such a large development stay in the city centre however.

    Both OCP and O’Flynn Construction (OFC) are just itching to get another presence like that which Sullivans Quay offers in the city centre however. A few subsidence issues rectified and the site could allow for a whopping development!!!

    #733158
    lexington
    Participant

    An interesting Breakfast Briefing held last Thursday in the Imperial Hotel by Hamilton Osbourne King, Cork – at which director Peter O’Meara outlined in his vision for Cork 2020 based on the statistics, trends and facts. He outlined an interesting and somewhat exciting view. In attendance were members of the CBA, Chamber of Commerce, City Council, Developers (incl. Owen O’Callaghan, Michael O’Flynn et al), Architects and other prominent figures in the development community in Cork.

    Those this may be somewhat of a ‘utopian’ outline – this is how I would like to see Cork develop of the next 16 years, and how I think, with proper planning and investment, it could very well achieve. (Consider the fact that at a p.a. population growth rate of 65,000+, Ireland’s projected population will reach 5m by 2015).

    CORK 2020

    Metropolitan Cork
    Cork city will be the commercial centre serving a catchment population of 600,000+, with 330,000 situated in the greater Cork city area. Planning restrictions as laid out in the former and current forms will have seen the city boundaries only extend enough to incorporate areas like Douglas, Rochestown, Curraheen, Little Island – Glanmire and Ballincollig[???] (effectively they are suburbs, but would Cork CoCo ever acknowledge this? Or are they too valuable income earners???). The city will have a series of large feeder towns such as Midelton, Macroom, Mallow, Kinsale, Bandon, Cobh – all served by an efficient City Commuter Rail Network, complimenting the newly established Intersububran Rail Network (CATS – Cork Area Transport System ~ something strategically and importantly needed, may even be worthy of a private investment). In addition to the aforementioned, Cork Airport, Blarney, Blackpool, the Docklands, Mahon Point, Bishopstown, Ballincollig and Carrigaline (via Grange/Frankfield & Black Ash) would all be served by rail.

    The Commuter Towns may perhaps in some cases measure populations of up to 20,000 to 30,000 (in Ballincollig’s case, 42,000).

    Commuter Cars will be significantly reduced, and perhaps, discouraged from travelling into the city.

    A full ring-road loop would serve the Cork Metro region (in the form of the proposed Northern Ring Road linked to the N8 and N25). Some sporadic development along this motorway will inevitably form but will be highly restricted in the interest of protecting the scenic Cork Green Belt.

    Cork City & Docklands

    The city centre will finally be pedestrianised. City centre living will have become more popular in light of the increased amenity, safety and accommodation of the area. The increased national population brings Cork’s city centre population back on form. Developments providing more family-friendly sized apartment units (indicated by such developments as the Eglinton Street proposal by OFC [1,900sq ft 3-bedroom apartment ~ encouraging owner-occupiers] and Camden Court by OSB) with extensive communal gardens and play-areas, integrated creche facilities and so on.

    As most office activities in the city centre will shift eastwards toward the southern Docklands area, South Mall will open up to pleasant boutique style retail units and some office retail. The street will become an ‘internal community’ of sorts. Retail space, even now in such high demand for city centre space, will be assisted by extensions of the CCRA at Grand Parade, Cornmarket Street, South Main Street, South Mall and Sullivans Quay/Georges Quay (plans are already kicking into effect at Grand Parade and Cornmarket Street). The city centre’s historical value will be protected, new buildings will be permitted, but remain no taller than 7 to 9 storeys at a max. Increased medical and residential facilities will be provided along Bachelor’s Quay/Henry Street/Grattan Street area. Pedestrianism will rule the day. Some prominent city centre walkways will have retractable canopies over main pathways to allow uninterupted pedestrian and bicycle journeys around the city centre even in poor weather. An extensive network of boardwalks will provide enhanced amenity value for residents and visitors alike. Increased public art should be promoted. Increased green areas (something Cork city centre highly lacks) will be promoted, perhaps, as suggested in areas such as the roof of existing multi-storey car-parks. The city centre core area will shift east slightly, over Parnell Place, Lower Oliver Plunkett Street (trust me, Howard Holdings knew what they were doing when the took on City Quarter). A Water-Bus network will be in effect linking the city centre with Ballincollig Town Centre, Victoria Cross, UCC, the Docklands office and university districts, Tivoli and so on.

    The southern Docklands (Kennedy Quay), will become the new office district of Cork – the city must and hopefully will not simply promote itself as a prime office destination of Munster, or Ireland for that matter, but as Howard Holdings suggest, at an international level – not playing 2nd fiddle to Dublin, but as its own distinct, stand-alone centre of excellence. The city also needs to promote itself as a c.o.e. for R&D in Europe and the world. In doing so, demand for office space in the docklands will be prime – it is achievable. High-rise office, commercial, retail and some, though few, residential, buildings will line the southern docklands as far as Marina Point (which will become a new world-class University Campus – in conjunction with UCC & CIT among others, with extensive student, service, leisure and amenity facilities). Given Cork’s pharmaceutical strength and medical institutions, the city should build on that to develop an international centre of R&D and treatment excellence – in conjunction with e.g. CUH, UCC, Pfizers, MUH etc etc. The high-rise buildings will be of the utmost taste and quality – becoming an exciting area in which architects can explore new opportunities and standards in aesthetics. The high-rise nature of the area will give over more green-space – the area will link up with the city centre’s boardwalk network, lined with cafes, restaurants, bars, play-areas, boutiques etc etc. It will also allow for enough area in which a large, internalised marina facility will be provided allowing Cork and international boat-owners dock their vessels and availing of the nearby harbour area. It will also look good when entertaining corporate clients or visitors. Large public areas could be facilitated by this high-rise district. Kennedy Quay and Centre Park Road/Monahan Road will be the main development area here.

    The Water Street Bridge and new pedestrian bridges linking Kennedy Quay with Horgan’s Quay & Water Street will allow excellent pedestrian and rail access between the newly developed Horgan’s Quay residential quarter and railway station. Horgan’s Quay will have some limited high-rise, but not to the same extent as Kennedy Quay. All buildings will be slender in their east-west perspective as to minimise disruptive views from the northern hillsides. Up to 5000 residencies will occupy the Northern Docklands. Waterfront perspectives will be utilised to the maximum. The standard of living will be superior, but not necessarily exclusive.

    A new event centre will be in place at the former Munster Showgrounds (and will be considering a possible extension, as the strategic investment pays off pretty nice). The overall improvement in Cork as a whole, plus increased population and increased corporate presence of an international nature along the docklands, will attracted many a convention and many a first preference event. ๐Ÿ˜€

    Cork’s sporting grounds at Musgrave, Turners Cross, Temple Hill and Pairc Ui Chaoimh will be fully redeveloped and among Ireland’s finest – hosting regular international events and some large-scale concerts.

    …on a less realistic note….

    No potholes on the roads.

    All the above is projected on fact and intention, it is realistic, but only with the proper planning, marketing and investment. Cork could indeed, become an excellent living, working and tourist environment, more-so than is, but it will need an open-mind and hard-work.


    CCC’s vision – I believe things will (if following growth, plan, statistics and trends) be a little more exciting – a little more radical and better for all concerned.

    #733159
    lexington
    Participant

    ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
    Bowen Construction have finally removed the tower crane from over 21 Lavitts Quay – the 24m(thereabouts) euro office and residential development along Cork city island’s northern quays – beside the Opera House. Although much of the building remains shrouded in scaffolding, when up and running, the O’Callaghan Properties development will house 44 luxury apartments overlooking the river and Shandon Bells, over 35,000sq ft of office space – of which the 5th and 6th floors will house the new O’Callaghan Properties HQ, a private multi-storey car-park, retail facilities and a restaurant at ground-floor level. The building was designed by Patrick A. Cashman & Associates, and in my opinion, is one of the finer looking office developments in the city centre of recent years.



    ๐Ÿ™‚ Though Mahon Point is up and running, the demand by retaillers for Cork city centre space is still overwhelming – demand far outstrips supply. OCP must be licking their lips at the prospects this poses for their Academy Street development – but I’ve heard that both Frinailla (through Atis Harrington Bannon) have had very avid approaches for the retail space at their soon to be constructed Grand Parade Plaza development, so too, Michael O’Donoghue (Rockfell Investments) has been able to cherry-pick interested parties for his 170,000sq m department store/retail mall development along Cornmarket Street (also soon to be constructed – following subsurface investigations). H&M, TK Maxx, Habitat (confirmed for Cornmarket Street), Dixons, Esprit among others have all approached the aforementioned developments – but I can’t confirm any at this point in time (unless otherwise stated). Zara and other Inditex stores have been reviewing other premises throughout the city also in addition to their existing Pull & Bear, Bershka and Zara stores.

    But more still, I can confirm – John Lewis, Harvey Nichols and House of Fraser have all be scouting locations in Cork city centre ~ we may have to wait until Academy Street is up and running before they attain the desired space, but you never know – something ‘else’ may crop up in the meantime. ( ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

    This comes on the back also, that Debenhams in Mahon Point have recorded trading levels only succeeded by their Oxford Street store (this is probably the initial rush syndrome – but trading levels would not be expected to vary too much in the strategic run).


    #733160
    lexington
    Participant

    @dowlingm wrote:

    Lexington,

    would appreciate any further info on the Temple Hill proj. Have been recalling the site as I saw it last – seems a challenging project to me!

    The application, lodged by Mary Collins (supported by an un-named developer), for the quarry site along the Boreenmanna Road at Rockboro, Blackrock – consists of the following: a nine storey 39 No. apartment development comprising of a lower ground floor 16 car spaces and storage 518sq.m with 7 car on site car-spaces, upper ground floor 5 No. 2-Bed and 1 No. 1-Bed 503sq.m., First, second, third, fourth and fifth floors each with 6 No.2-Bed apartments area of each floor 503sq.m., sixth floor, 1 No. 1-Bed, 1 No. 2-Bed and 1 No.2 Storey 3-Bed area 215sq.m and seventh floor shared roof garden with upper floor of former apartment area 78sq.m. Decision due from CCC on 31st March 2005.

    The design team is Coveney & Associates of Monkstown, the same architects behind John Mannix’s Washington Street development (apparently earmarked for construction Summer 2005 though I’m not clear on that, but if otherwise, I’ll let you know).

    #733161
    Pug
    Participant

    did i see that Murnanes had planning in for a new business park up by the airport? any more info on that?

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