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- lexington wrote::p For those confused about the design team behind Douglas Central Properties Ltd proposal for an 8-storey hotel and commercial facility in Douglas – though it was sugg’d a number of architectural firms were behind the design (and my understand is that there were) – the chief design team is being led by The Hyde Partnership – yes indeed, my old buddies of the Watergold Building (see below) fame!!! HA!!! ]
not true. source?
lex
dont think anyone will disagree with you about Horgans Quay, why they made an announcement about the 25m kent station and not say anything about horgans quay is ridiculous. I mean, if they are going to the trouble of changing the station around to front on to the quay and then not bother to sort out the rest, its just plain silly. Someone cynical like myself would wonder why a semi state has such power and are the unions causing grief, again.
The photo of the previous design anyway didnt look great to me to be honest, the high rise would surely be more vibrant if its not just a rown of tall buildings.
fingers crossed. 😎
@sw101 wrote:
not true. source?
Application: 049110
Applicant Name: Douglas Central Properties Ltd.
Correspondence Address: c/o The Hyde Partnership, Watergold, Douglas, Cork
Development Description Construction of mixed use building consisting of hotel, lobby on ground floor, restaurant, bar, 2 no. meeting rooms and ancillary rooms on first floor and 124 no. bedrooms in eight storey building, including basement car park, bar and restaurant and 2 no. commercial/retail units on ground floor, demolition of on-site bld., closure of both entrances to north of site and provision of new entrance.Registered Address:
DOUGLAS CENTRAL PROPERTIES LIMITED
48 UPR. DRUMCONDRA ROAD
DUBLIN 9Design Team: The Hyde Partnership, Watergold, Douglas, Cork
see also: Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects, The Schoolhouse, Douglas, Cork
see also: ******** ****** ********** ***Primary Contractor: PJ Hegarty & Sons Ltd. (???)
Planning Due: 12/2/2005
Can’t name sources sw101 – but it was confirmed by Cork County Council Planning Department & The Hyde Partnership also. This is a project I am very interested in, but I have only seen drawings dated October 2004 (the month in which I was informed of the project). I know RORSA have involvement – I can’t remember the ‘interesting’ design element on the site of the existing TSB you noted, but I haven’t paid as much attention to this project since it has been lodged. I should really, and will be getting ahold of the application’s attached V.I.S. soon to review it. If you have any information otherwise, please share it – like I said, I haven’t been on top of this development as much as others and totally welcome and seek any up-to-date accurate info you can provide. 🙂
Another hotel proposal I am very interested in is the 6-storey, 93-bedroom hotel w/ conference facilities designed (?) by Tom Phillips & Assoc. (Lower Baggot Street, Dublin) and to be developed by John Sisk & Sons Ltd. on a Kinsale Road site just south of their Cork HQ. I’ll look into getting images up on this one. Planning is due on the 19th Feb 2005.– further along the N25, Heiton Holdings PLC have sought planning for a 96-bedroom hotel, 4-storeys with conference centre, leisure centre and multi-storey car-park on their Bandon Road Roundabout/Ballincollig By-Pass interchange. Design is by Ashlin Colman Architects. A decision due date is set for 25/02/2005.
@lexington wrote:
and totally welcome and seek any up-to-date accurate info you can provide. 🙂
can’t really say much.
*UPDATES*
😎 Jurys Hotel on the Western Road has given itself a closing date of Feb 28th 2005. Up to 110 jobs at the hotel will be lost or relocated as a result – however, with the opening of the Clarion on Lapps Quay, Radisson (Park Manor) in Little Island, Kingsley Hotel extension and up to 11 other hotel projects in and around Cork city under development – many of these staff have found or will find similar employment relatively easily. Early signs for this have been indicated by recruitment agencies Le Creme and Adecco.
– 😡 In related news, an appeal with ABP has been lodged by the residents of Sundays Well against O’Callaghan Properties redevelopment of the Jurys Hotel site which was, after substantial revision, granted planning by CCC. The residents argue that the development will ruin their vista of St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral and destroy their children’s heritage – in protest, the residents have put their children’s allowances toward the finance of the appeal. This despite the numerous revisions enacted by O’Callaghan Propoerties to rectify the original objection concerns. To be honest with you, if the residents are able to fling their children’s allowances around like that so casually – their allowance should perhaps be reviewed. That money is provided for concerned support of children in their upbringing – uses such as clothing, food, schoolbooks etc etc should in my own view receive priority, or if not needed now, saved for a later stage when such requirements become more fiscally stressful. This appeal has a lot more to do w/ egos and ‘rigid mindsets than children’s heritage. What about their future? Appeals such as this, should be financed personally or collectively, not using a children’s allowance – and worse, blatantly promoting the fact. I will actively seek appropiate V.I.S. images from a Sunday’s Well persepctive to show how the development and development revisions have a minimal effect on any disruption to the St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral vista. I treasure this view too, as I see it every morning when I travel into the city, it’s important to me also and I am wholly satisfied with the development skyline.
Work was due to commence on the project in March, this may be delayed further now until late-June(?). It’s a foolish move by the Sunday’s Well residents who now expose themselves to the possibility of the whole original project layout being greenlit – and not the revisions that were granted them by the developers to ease their concerns (case in pt. Kenny Group’s original 2000 South Main Street application). If so, nearby St. Al’s Girl School could stand to lose the benefits it gained in the revisions. It’s a selfish tactic (although I believe OCP will keep the revisions made to address the school’s concerns in any event – it remains the principle rather than the point).Just thought I’d post a new image of the redevelopment of Cork County Hall – main contractors Ascon Ltd, Design by Shay Cleary. The 60m euro redevelopment is due to be complete on schedule and within budget this November 2005. The project provides a new 700-space multistorey car-park. A 6-storey extension to the main County Hall tower providing an extra 40,000sq ft of office space (bringing it to a total of 75,000sq ft), new council chambers, heightened roof-top – to incl. a new hospitality suite with panoramic 360 degree views, provision of a naturally ventilated heating and cooling system through the installation of a glass-panel exoskeleton around the exterior oof the tower. Plus all landscaping, access road and refurbishment ancillary efforts.
Those Eglinton Street drawings will be posted soon.
*UPDATES*😮 As prev. reported, Beacon Court Group (i.e. Paddy Shovlin, Michael Cullen and Mark Redmond) will be lodging their application for a 500m euro medical campus and residential development earmarked for a 60-acre site near Bandon Road Roundabout within the next week to 2 weeks w/ Cork County Council.
The development will consist of a new private hospital, hospice, physio-centre, up to 300 houses (over 16 acres), amenity areas, park & ride facility, health centre and more, yet to be clarified.
@lexington wrote:
The project provides a new 700-space multistorey car-park. A 6-storey extension to the main County Hall tower providing an extra 40,000sq ft of office space (bringing it to a total of 75,000sq ft),
Good to see that the planners are leading by example in encouraging sustainable transport modes in Cork, 700 spaces on 7,000 sq m is excessive by any standard.
@lexington wrote:
*UPDATES*
😎 Jurys Hotel on the Western Road has given itself a closing date of Feb 28th 2005. Up to 110 jobs at the hotel will be lost or relocated as a result – however, with the opening of the Clarion on Lapps Quay, Radisson (Park Manor) in Little Island, Kingsley Hotel extension and up to 11 other hotel projects in and around Cork city under development – many of these staff have found or will find similar employment relatively easily. Early signs for this have been indicated by recruitment agencies Le Creme and Adecco.
– 😡 In related news, an appeal with ABP has been lodged by the residents of Sundays Well against O’Callaghan Properties redevelopment of the Jurys Hotel site which was, after substantial revision, granted planning by CCC. The residents argue that the development will ruin their vista of St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral and destroy their children’s heritage – in protest, the residents have put their children’s allowances toward the finance of the appeal. This despite the numerous revisions enacted by O’Callaghan Propoerties to rectify the original objection concerns. To be honest with you, if the residents are able to fling their children’s allowances around like that so casually – their allowance should perhaps be reviewed. That money is provided for concerned support of children in their upbringing – uses such as clothing, food, schoolbooks etc etc should in my own view receive priority, or if not needed now, saved for a later stage when such requirements become more fiscally stressful. This appeal has a lot more to do w/ egos and ‘rigid mindsets than children’s heritage. What about their future? Appeals such as this, should be financed personally or collectively, not using a children’s allowance – and worse, blatantly promoting the fact. I will actively seek appropiate V.I.S. images from a Sunday’s Well persepctive to show how the development and development revisions have a minimal effect on any disruption to the St. Fin Barre’s Cathedral vista. I treasure this view too, as I see it every morning when I travel into the city, it’s important to me also and I am wholly satisfied with the development skyline.
Work was due to commence on the project in March, this may be delayed further now until late-April. It’s a foolish move by the Sunday’s Well residents who now expose themselves to the possibility of the whole original project layout being greenlit – and not the revisions that were granted them by the developers to ease their concerns (case in pt. Kenny Group’s original 2000 South Main Street application). If so, nearby St. Al’s Girl School could stand to lose the benefits it gained in the revisions. It’s a selfish tactic (although I am assured by OCP that the revisions made to address the school’s concerns will be maintained in any event – it remains the principle rather than the point).I agree, it is a pathetic display of emotional blackmail. Presumably OCP will lodge a first party appeal to gain back some of their concessions? I look forward to seeing the VIS images
I look forward to being able to provide them – I suppose what irritates me most about this appeal is the arrogance associated with it and the insult it generates to those who so genuinely depend on their Children’s Allowance to support their children. Just because the country is doing so exceptionally nowadays, doesn’t mean we can forget that not every member of our society has so richly benefited from it. This appeal is a disgusting act routed in a angered response to a planning decision made in the interests of our city.
– also, in reference to the point made regarding Cork County Council’s multi-storey facility, I have to say I agree, the 2 councils (Cork City and Cork County) have both for so long advocated and promoted the increased use of public transport, and invested heavily in them (Cork Suburban Rail System – allocated 90m for its prospective Midelton Line, the Cork City Green Routes, Park & Ride Facilities at Black Ash, Banduff and proposed Blarney Railway Station) and yet both their own projects at Cork County Hall and the new Cork City Hall 32m euro extension all facilitate high-volume in house parking (700 and 435 respectively) effectively encouraging employees to drive to work. Cork County Hall will facilitate its 600 employees (in and around 450 car per day) and Cork City Hall will facilitate its 400 employees (perhaps 200 cars per day) into the city. Hypocrisy???
@Diaspora wrote:
Good to see that the planners are leading by example in encouraging sustainable transport modes in Cork, 700 spaces on 7,000 sq m is excessive by any standard.
By comparison, Citigroup IFSC, 35,000 square metres, 1,200 employees, approx. 100 parking places. Local government employees are human and by ensuring that all of them can drive to work, the car dependent mindset will spill over into their public policies.
@anto wrote:
Is the area well served by public transport?
Three separate city bus routes pass this way.
Which? I thought only the 8/8A passed by county hall.
They may be allowing for a lot of non-staff parking because of the motor tax and driving licence centres being there.
@jungle wrote:
They may be allowing for a lot of non-staff parking because of the motor tax and driving licence centres being there.
Motor tax and driving licences are just forms like income tax or TV licence and there’s no reason to provide parking merely because the forms concern motor vehicles. I doubt it ever occurred to anyone to provide public parking in Dublin 7 for motor tax renewals. These services are increasingly handled by post or internet. Dublin City Council runs a few shops in suburban estates that just process these forms so you can park in Nutgrove shopping centre for example. No need to build 700 parking places for your staff at public expense and come up with such a crap cover story.
Dublin City Council also provided themselves with extensive underground parking under the Civic Offices in Wood Quay, next to Temple Bar. Thus indicating that they believe public transport is a great thing and that everyone else should use it so that they can drive to work more quickly. Could Cork County Council not place their offices next to one of the planned commuter rail stations on the Midleton line?
Cork County Hall is a symbol of Cork and the Council more specifically. It encompasses vast land holdings and is established along a major suburban corridor in the form of Carrigrohane Straight – it wouldn’t have made economic sense to relocate to a new location along the Midelton Corridor. Plus, at the time of planning, the Midelton Railway hadn’t been greenlit and the Council couldn’t wait around for a grant to be finally funded while their offices were wasting away. Cork County Hall is well served by public transport and easily accessible on most major routes (South Ring N25, Carrigrohane Straight, Ballincollig By-Pass, Western Road etc) – the Council should promote increase public transport along among its employees and ‘visitors’ – a dedicated green-route has been recently established nearby.
😎 Here is a drawing prepared by architects Frank O’Mahony and Glen Barry of Wilson Architecture for O’Flynn Construction’s Eglinton Street Tower development. Decision due 25th Feb 2005. The 80m euro + development will consist of 217 residential units (in predominantly 8-storey blocks), 40 of which will be located within a landmark 17-storey tower in the south-west corner – averaging a generous 1,900sq ft, 7 own door office suites and 5 large retail units, 550 underground car-parking spaces over 2 levels, a new civic amenity area, new pedestrian routeway and road connecting Eglinton Street with Albert Road – which will also aid the new ‘Webworks’ to be developed by Howard Holdings at Albert House, along Albert Quay.
This drawing provides a perspective from the Eglinton Street/western elevation – provided by Wilson Architectire, O’Flynn Construction through Cork 2005 and the RIAI.
*see prev. posts for additional images*
😉 And with less the 2 weeks to go before its grand opening, work at Mahon Point is going full-steam with some jobs on-going 24hrs a day…speaking of which, Tesco’s new grocery store at the massive shopping centre will be it’s 2nd permanent 24hr store in Cork following the unprecedented success of its flagship store in Cork at Wilton SC.
– and in related news…
:confused: …the German investment funds group, Deka Immobilien (which is currently in a spot of trouble regarding its own finances) which saw its first Irish project take shape in the form of Mahon Point along with O’Callaghan Properties is rumoured (and I stress RUMOUR) to be discussing the purchase of 10,000sq ft of office space at the 21 Lavitts Quay office development in Cork city centre – also being developed by OCP (which will also house the new O’Callaghan Properties HQ on the upper floors). I haven’t heard anything of it other than the rumour so I can substantiate it yet – but it would make sense considering Deka’s intentions on expanding into the Irish market and its relationship with OCP. The office will be designated as Deka’s chief Irish operations office.
Just on a note of interest – a few posts up is an image of what Cork County Hall’s redevelopment will look like when complete (as designed by Shay Cleary) but, during the competition, Cork County Council also considered a number of other proposals, among them – one by de Blacam & Meagher Architects…it’s interesting, personally I think the winning design was perhaps the best, however I really like the upward extension and parallel external elevators of the north-and-south elevations of the deBM design. It’s up for debate, but just interesting to note and compare.
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