Look at de state of Cork, like!
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lexington – i realise that the public was given adequate time – i was just surprised that no-one made a submission – it is highly unusual and i bet mr o flynn is surprised too
anyway, i also agree about the copper element – otherwise, it looks fairly ok and harmless enough – fingers crossed
IAWS are in talks with a number of parties for a substantial commercial (office, retail and business centre) development with hosting suites and a number of cafes and restaurants at R&H Hall along Kennedy Quay – this is only at preplanning and reflects the desire of IAWS for the site, not necessarily the developers, so it could change dramatically. There are no specific designs or projections yet devised – but the plan is to take advantage of the existing R&H Hall structural heights and construct a high-rise development.
I can’t say anymore for the time being,
With regard to Eglington Street, while in general I welcome the modernity of the development, I’m slightly surprised by the ‘slightness’ of the main tower. Perhaps it will look better in reality, but having viewed the visuals, I found it less substantial than expected. It appears very thin and overtly angular. Compare for example, with the Clarion in Limerick. While this high-rise is far from excellent, it does appear more modern and ‘substantial’ than the Eglington Street ‘gateway’ building. Speaking of Clarion, now that the veil has started to come off the Cork Clarion and the lady is beginning to show her face, I must say that she will make an attractive addition to the city. I also hope that they maintain their commitment to develop an active boardwalk area at the front of same.
The boardwalk will be the work of Howard Holdings as part of the city quarter and will go ahead.
As usual I’ve got little to add but lots of questions:
Any dates expected on their Albert Quay announcement. When will the redevelopment of city hall begin?
Any links to the recent statements by O’C P in relation to the 6k seater event centre?
Which hotel groups should we expect for Mahon Point and Ballincollig?
Any progress with UCC’s new ICT Centre of Excellence at the old greyhound stadium?A mate of mine is working on the archaeological dig at the Frinilla site. Work is progressing nicely and there have been some excellent finds at this site which will go on view at the newly expanded museum. In my estimation these kind of artefacts should be exhibited at the Church (St. Peter’s?) on North Main Street. The museum should in Fitzgerald’s park should have a sister site in the city centre and this would be the perfect choice. Any opinions on the restoration job at this site??? In my opinion this site is totally underused.
In relation to Cornmarket Street there have already been excavation works, and the finds have been excellent so we should expect a protracted dig at this site. I’m all for progress but archaeology is very important and these ventures should be given great respect.
@theblimp wrote:
With regard to Eglington Street, while in general I welcome the modernity of the development, I’m slightly surprised by the ‘slightness’ of the main tower. Perhaps it will look better in reality, but having viewed the visuals, I found it less substantial than expected. It appears very thin and overtly angular. Compare for example, with the Clarion in Limerick. While this high-rise is far from excellent, it does appear more modern and ‘substantial’ than the Eglington Street ‘gateway’ building. Speaking of Clarion, now that the veil has started to come off the Cork Clarion and the lady is beginning to show her face, I must say that she will make an attractive addition to the city. I also hope that they maintain their commitment to develop an active boardwalk area at the front of same.
As regards the hotel at MP, Hilton Hotels were confirmed during the summer.Speculated tenants at Ballincollig were listed by lexington in an earlier post, I cant remember who exactly, but it was a well recognised chain.
As for ucc the it campus cleared the planning several months ago, however, Im not sure if it’s development is a priority right now with the coolege, with the development of the new pharmacy building and the Brookfield campus. A recent publication regarding the future development needs of ucc didnt mention the immediate development of this site, which i found surprising, but that’s not to say it wont happen soon, im really not all that sure.I do know that there has been minor activity around the greyhound stadium, with minor clearing works, nothing substantial though.
For anyone in the know, are there plans to develop Custom House Quay?Along what lines?The right development of this site would really create an impressive quayside from lapps quay.@mickeydocs wrote:
The boardwalk will be the work of Howard Holdings as part of the city quarter and will go ahead.
As usual I’ve got little to add but lots of questions:
Any dates expected on their Albert Quay announcement. When will the redevelopment of city hall begin?
Any links to the recent statements by O’C P in relation to the 6k seater event centre?
Which hotel groups should we expect for Mahon Point and Ballincollig?
Any progress with UCC’s new ICT Centre of Excellence at the old greyhound stadium?In relation to Cornmarket Street there have already been excavation works, and the finds have been excellent so we should expect a protracted dig at this site. I’m all for progress but archaeology is very important and these ventures should be given great respect.
🙂 The Boardwalk at City Quarter is proceeding.
– Albert Quay IT/Office development by Howard Holdings is not expected to receive an announcement until at least March 2005.
– City Hall’s extension and refurbishment has begun, Cleary Doyle have been on-site for a month now. Main extension work is scheduled to begin end of December, early Janurary.
– O’C P links – don’t have any links but a copy of the article can be attained from the Irish Examiner Info Desk on Academy Street,
– Hilton Hotels have signed a lease agreement for the 150-bedroom hotel at Mahon Point. Marriott are understood to have commenced discussions with O’Flynn Construction for their 150-bedroom hotel at BTC (although Lynch and Ramada have also been in talks).
– UCC’s 150,000sq ft, 3-storey IT Centre on the former Greyhound Stadium lands along the Western Road have seen preliminary ground work initiated, but no fixed date for primary construction is yet available.
@phatman wrote:For anyone in the know, are there plans to develop Custom House Quay?Along what lines?
There are 3 plans in tow for Custom House Quay – with talks between the Port of Cork and JW Green ongoing. No particular plan has been championed as of yet. One plan proposes refurbishing, extending and reutilising the existing warehousing on site as a mixed-use entertainment complex.
:rolleyes: Riga Limited (O’Callaghan Properties and Jurys Doyle Group) today submitted a Further Information and Development Revision application to CCC – even though no formal Further Info request was issued. This marks the third unsolicited submission of Further Info from Riga Ltd, but the most significant. The move is a further response by O’Callaghan Properties to ease some of the many troubles the application for Jurys has received – as reported in previous posts.
The new revisions are being made to ease the concerns of many objectors. Among the revisions being made are: a reduction of apartment numbers from 303 to 277. The reduction in height of 3 blocks – two from 6 to 4 storeys and one from 6 to 3 storeys. And the movement of the Jurys Hotel element 6m south,
The 9 storey block, height of Jurys Hotel (6 storeys), access bridges and height of 2 other blocks will remain. Though I acknowledge this move as one designed to address objection concerns – the revisions are another shiny example of how Cork will end up with a reduced quality of development based on petty local outlooks.
The alterations will reduce the architectural consistency of the development – a point An Taisce even made,
😡 The proprietors of the Maxol Petrol Station on the Glasheen Road (currently charging 99.9c a litre for regular unleaded) have lodged an appeal with ABP in protest to the grant of planning awarded by CCC to Tesco Ireland for the development of a petrol station at its Wilton SC premises. Tesco Petrol Stations are currently charging between 94.9 and 96.9 cents a litre at their Killarney Station for Reg. Unleaded). Maxol have cited ‘unfair competition’ as their predominant reason for objection. Greed versus consumer advantage???
🙂 Dermot Coveney of Coveney & Assoc. has issued significant Further Info on behalf of John Mannix for his 7-storey retail, office and apartment development at Washington Street. The amendments to the development include a reduction of 1 floor (to a total of 6 floors – something I personally favour as it has eliminated an unsightly, boxy upper floor area) and a change to the South Main Street/Washington Street corner Bay Window (which looked very well) from pertruding out from the building, to a retraction in line with the rest of the building structure. I don’t agree with the latter decision, as the window offer a dramatic overlook onto Washington Street, and eye-catching addition to the streets architecture. However, most of the changes have been positive.i wonder if lexington is ever tempted to mock up a gherkin on a photo of patricks street and tell us all that blah blah architects will be receiving a descision on friday and no observations have been made. i’d probably believe him.
lexington can you let me know what height the eglington st development is going to be? will it be smaller or taller than the county hall?
@sw101 wrote:
here ya go
Location! Location! Location!
But still I don’t get what ya mean??? Still the Swiss Re Building is a stunning piece of modern architecture – visually and mechanically. If we ever had something similar (albeit not as large-scale) down along the Cork Docklands – I would be standing nearby with a big smile on my face.
And sorry Leesider for the delay in reply – The Eglinton Street Project will be 70m main structure, 80m if you include the spire. Cork County Hall is 66m at the moment, but will increase to 67m after its redevelopment. Water Street originally proposed a tower of 69m over 19-storeys – this may be subject to change in light of a new application currently under design.For those of you interested in the Water Street development – here is an extract from a brief e-mail I received from an involved party concerning the revisions to the development for a new application.
”We are currently looking at issues such as daylight and sunlight for surrounding properties and the development itself. We believe that the revised design will stand up to scrutiny in this area. The density of the scheme is an issue but not the tower itself, which paradoxically is not a dense element due to its slender profile.
my own personal opinion is because this is the first scheme in the North Docks area that the concerns of the council is not about the development itself but about setting precendents with respect to setbacks, general heights(rather than one off towers) and density.
We hope to lodge again in the Spring.”
Yes I am ashamed to admit it, but here is a poorly scanned image of the Kenny Group’s development on South Main Street I know it’s not the best, but at least it gives some perspective. The development under the existing grant (by ABP) is for a 7-storey, 22-bedroom hotel, 38 apartments, 141 multi-storey carpark, superpub, retail centre, offices, restaurants, cafes and boardwalk. Paul Kenny has run this development through planning in various incarnations – the most recent being for extra S50 apartments – an application which was subsequently withdrawn. At the moment, both the Kenny Group and PRC inform me that their project is undergoing revisions and due to for reapplication with CCC come early 2005. A few changes will be made to the project – but its general height and design will remain.
This image is taken from a South Main Street Bridge persepctive looking back down at South Main Street. The rear of Frinailla’s Grand Parade Plaza development can be seen behind the Kenny Group building. The Kenny development fronts out onto Grand Parade via an incorporated protected structure at 50 Grand Parade. The existing site is being used as a surface car-park. The whole street will look substantially rejuvenated with these 2 new developments in tow. Frinailla, who have made a number of substantial finds through excavation on there GP Plaza site, have earmarked late December, early Janurary as desirable construction start dates.
lexington wrote:Well Ward Anderson only have one city centre premises that could cater for 30,000 sq ft – and since you’ve mentioned it, I don’t have to tell you.When Mahon Point SC opens next Feburary, Ward Anderson intend to transfer their operations from the Capitol to a new 11-screen multiplex at the SC, freeing up the Capitol on Grand Parade for retail space. (see City Manager Joe Gavin’s city report Nov 2003) And since I’ve already opened my yak, I may as well tell you the plan by the private investment firm will include a 6-storey over dual basement retail and leisure development w/ food-court, 20 – retail outlets, 3 late-bars and apparently 2 night-clubs – and depending on insurance, Cork’s 1st permanent ice-rink (OH YEAH!) at the upper basement level.
Hi Lexington….Ward Anderson have a few more premises in COrk City well over 30,000 sq ft suprisingly…. One of which is ,On Patrick ST , Tom Anderson from Ward Anderson Group owns the HMV building, Orignally the pavillion cinema,, Paviilion niteclub, Coopers Bar, restuarants, small shops and surrounding corner premises going all the way back down careys lane with many exits and laneways. Dont you think that there may be something in the planning in due course here?
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I suppose what I was trying to edge there at the time – in the context of what we were talking about – was that the Capitol Cineplex stood to be substantially redeveloped as a commercial facility, without mentioning in black and white ‘The Capitol Cineplex’. Ward Anderson, as an opearting entity, has its most prominent premises in that of the Capitol. Without delving into extravagant explanation – I believe it was more a matter of wording by implication. I am aware of Tom Anderson’s own other properties around Cork – but considering the continued lease agreement with HMV, I didn’t believe this would be clear to persons reading this forum as the obvious development location given the associated details I provided attached to the development proposals.
Since then, the Capitol Cineplex management have announced at a public level, its intention to continue cinema operations for the foreseeable future, I am aware however of the deals and discussions that have taken place between Ward Anderson and developers – which from my information, suggests that development plans for the future have not been ruled out entirely.
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with the preserved ceilings (Listed building) in most of the sq footage in HMV and pavillion , would you think that this would be big turnoff to developers or is this issue not a problem ?? Hope im not picking your brains too much?
Personally I think the current HMV building is a beautiful piece of architecture. From its ornate detailling to ‘Roman-esque’ columns, I believe it is a fine and sadly overlooked structure.
In terms of development – the building I believe is an attractive investment opportunity, but not in terms of development. The floorspace of the building is still limited and expansion opportunities are confined. If an expansion – incorporating premises extending to a Carey’s Lane frontage – were available for development, for perhaps, a higher-order retail mall, I think this would increase the attractiveness of the premises from a developers point of view. However, as is, I believe the buildings current nature is best served as a store facility (like HMV). Personally, unless development plans were of an unparallelled aesthetic nature, I would object to any tampering with this fine specimen of architecture. Somethings are best left as they are. I believe the HMV building is such a structure.
@kingcronin wrote:
Hope im not picking your brains too much?
Not much to pick at I’m afraid! 🙂
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