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on the showgrounds site, access to there is quite iffy as matchgoers know, and the ability to do any better on the west side (i.e. from tunnel) is questionable given residential encroachment.
hope any redevelopment takes this into account. also, it’s an odd place for a hotel as is kinda far from any commercial area (with industrial to east, power station to west and residential to south)
*UPDATES*
-> Cork City Library on 57-61 Grand Parade is scheduled to begin the process of a 8.5m to 9m euro redevelopment which will see the city centre facility double in size from over to 2,500sq m to just under 5,000sq m. The Library Manager has said they are reviewing plans and temporary commissioned designs for the library which will see the facility expand upwards and outwards. CCC are considering the option of opening up a design competition for the library with a decision date due in late December 2004 with construction work beginning mid-Janurary 2005. Failing this, CCC will utilise existing designs and commence construction early Janurary 2005.
-> CCC have also announced their intention to construct 150 affordable housing units for private sale in the Centre Park Road area (near the southern docklands development zone). The project will consist of 100 social housing units and approx. 50 apartments – of a striking and contemporary design to compliment the new docklands area.One of the most overlooked but largest development projects currently at construction phase is Jacob’s Island – part of the Mahon Point lands (jointly bought from Cork Corp. by O’Callaghan Properties & McCarthy Developments. Whereas O’Callaghan Properties have developed the commercial element of the Mahon Point lands (44875sq m shopping centre, adjoining 11 screen multiplex, retail park, hotel and planned convention centre), McCarthy Developments have focused on the waterfront lands across the N25 for residential purposes, Jacob’s Island. Directly across the Douglas River and Atlantic Pond, on the Rochestown waterfront, McCarthy Developments are also developing the 160-unit, lavish Harty’s Quay.
Ridge Developments (contractors to both Jacob’s Island and Harty’s Quay) today erected their first tower crane on site at Jacob’s Island as part of their commencement on the taller waterfront residential buildings. In total, the Jacob’s Island project consists of the construction of 431 residential units made up of; 160 houses and duplex units consisting of 15 no. five bedroom two and three storey detached houses; 7 no. four bedroom two storey detached houses; 16 no. four bedroom three storey semi/terraced houses; 26 no. three or four bedroom two storey semi detached houses; 18 no. two and three bedroom two storey terraced courtyard houses. Also the proposed residential development includes the construction of 78 no. duplex units in 6 no. blocks of three and four storey with; 46 no. two bedroom apartments; 32 no. three bedroom duplex town houses with surface carparking for 87 no. cars; and 271 residential apartments on 8 no. blocks in 4 four storey; 1 five storey and 3 six storey buildings comprising of; 50 no. one bedroom; 212 no. two bedroom; and 9 no. three bedroom apartments with basement car parking for 408 cars with ancillary bicycle/refuse storage facilities, boardwalks and extensive public amenity areas.
Architects for Jacob’s Island are Project Architects, The Priory, John’s Street, Dublin 8. (the same architects responsible for Mahon Point Shopping Centre).
Harty’s Quay imagesThese appear very similar to Harty’s Quay in design.
Has there been any developments in relation to the Cornmarket Street Planning application.
Originally posted by lexington
One of the most overlooked but largest development projects currently at construction phase is Jacob’s Island – part of the Mahon Point lands (jointly bought from Cork Corp. by O’Callaghan Properties & McCarthy Developments. Whereas O’Callaghan Properties have developed the commercial element of the Mahon Point lands (44875sq m shopping centre, adjoining 11 screen multiplex, retail park, hotel and planned convention centre), McCarthy Developments have focused on the waterfront lands across the N25 for residential purposes, Jacob’s Island. Directly across the Douglas River and Atlantic Pond, on the Rochestown waterfront, McCarthy Developments are also developing the 160-unit, lavish Harty’s Quay.Ridge Developments (contractors to both Jacob’s Island and Harty’s Quay) today erected their first tower crane on site at Jacob’s Island as part of their commencement on the taller waterfront residential buildings. In total, the Jacob’s Island project consists of the construction of 431 residential units made up of; 160 houses and duplex units consisting of 15 no. five bedroom two and three storey detached houses; 7 no. four bedroom two storey detached houses; 16 no. four bedroom three storey semi/terraced houses; 26 no. three or four bedroom two storey semi detached houses; 18 no. two and three bedroom two storey terraced courtyard houses. Also the proposed residential development includes the construction of 78 no. duplex units in 6 no. blocks of three and four storey with; 46 no. two bedroom apartments; 32 no. three bedroom duplex town houses with surface carparking for 87 no. cars; and 271 residential apartments on 8 no. blocks in 4 four storey; 1 five storey and 3 six storey buildings comprising of; 50 no. one bedroom; 212 no. two bedroom; and 9 no. three bedroom apartments with basement car parking for 408 cars with ancillary bicycle/refuse storage facilities, boardwalks and extensive public amenity areas.
Architects for Jacob’s Island are Project Architects, The Priory, John’s Street, Dublin 8. (the same architects responsible for Mahon Point Shopping Centre).
Harty’s Quay imagesSorry for the confusion mickeydocs, but those images are of Harty’s Quay – indicated bythe text beneath them. I probably should have made that more clear.
-> The coming few weeks such prove highly news worthy for Cork property development circles – everything from the announcements of Eglinton Street by O’Flynn Construction to decisions on Werdna Ltd’s Water Street project (fingers majorly crossed! An Taisce have told both myself, CCC and MOLA they plan to bring the project to ABP if it receives grant – I just pray that they do not do this and Water Street is given the greenlight), the Rockfell Investments Cornmarket Street development, O’Callaghan Properties’ Jurys Hotel redevelopment, UCC’s Boole Library Extension (whose decision date has been pushed back despite no objections), John Mannix’s Washington Street development and many others are all expected. Other news will incl. the announcement of the full Mahon Point tenant list, a major announcement by Ward Anderson, decisions on major Kilbree Investments, Carroll’s Quay Development Company, Grangefield Developments and Cumnor Construction projects. As well as construction commencement on the CSM, Grand Parade Plaza, JD Hotels Singers Corner project and many more. Also O’Flynn Construction will be making a short-list of Ballincollig Town Centre tenants. CCC begin work on the Kinsale Road Roundabout Flyover and Ballincollig By-pass will open. There are many other major projects due to be announced but I can’t give anymore details as of yet.
2005 is expected to be among the most active of all years for Cork in terms of development. Hopefully I’ll be able to announce to you some of the most exciting underwraps projects yet to be formally announced soon.
For those curious about these projects – here are some images and information.
Edenhall
By far, one of Cork’s most (if not thee) impressive and stylish student developments. This huge 100m euro (in excess of) project by Cork-based Myraoak Ltd (Michael McCarthy developer and Brian McCarthy Construction) – has incorporated the former Tennis Village sports complex near CIT on the Model Farm Road and developed over 100 exceptionally luxurious S50 apartments of 3, 4 and 5 bedrooms each. The apartments rival even the best residential city centre, riverside development. As part of the complex, there are numerous indoor and outdoor tennis courts, riverside amenities, cafes, bars, themed restaurants, a conference centre, physio centre, sports clinic, retail outlets and so on. However for every Edenhall in Cork we seem to have a Victoria Mills (sigh).
Ballincollig Town Centre
There’s been much talk but few images of O’Flynn Construction’s 500m euro project at Ballincollig Town Centre. The development will among other things incl. A Shopping Centre with Supermarket, Grocery and Drapery Stores and 36 Retail Units
Over 1000 car Spaces – Surface, Deck and Multi-Storey
Town Centre Retailing with Showrooms, Restaurants and Pubs
Town Centre Apartments nestling in private courtyards
Own Door Offices and Modern Business Units
Tourism Retail Centre
Separate Office Campus
Park Style Hotel
Medical/Clinic Building
Mixed residential Development of detached, semi-detached and village style homes as well as apartments and duplex units.I hope to get a better image up for you shortly.
Lexington – it was a given even before it was announced that Water St would be brought to ABP by certain obsessed unbalanced people.
There no doubt, some horribly watered down version of the project will get put through – and miss the greatest opportunity to get the docklands off to a positive note. The submission to ABP has probably already been prepared, you know something to the effect “this important and popular area is a valued historical record of economic deprivation, crime and recession and the unremarkable, therefore it demands preservation”.“this important and popular area is a valued historical record of economic deprivation, crime and recession and the unremarkable, therefore it demands preservation”. [/B][/QUOTE]
Which really translates as “how dare this little village have the tenacity to try to create a commercial core to rival anything in our fine pale”. CCC seem to really be behind this, so let’s hope our local politicians put the foot down on this one.
Strange to see that construction still hasn’t commenced on the School of Music, which seems to have gone all quiet now that there aren’t any elections looming… when is the by-election for Coveney’s seat due?
I’m really looking forward to the Eglinton Road announcement, O’Flynns track record is quite good in terms of quality.
😉 Fleming Construction have been refused planning by ABP for the development of 123 student apartments in 2 six-storey blocks which were to be situated on the hillside grounds of the former Our Lady’s Hospital off Shanakiel Hill. I have to say, I agree with this decision as the proposed development would not only be exceptionally out of character and totally detract from the magnificient Our Lady’s Hospital building, but in terms of market viability – it wouldn’t be the success it should be in light of recent student developments ar Victoria Cross (a far more suitable and convenient location to UCC) of which Rathmelton Investments plan for the Park & Ride site adjacent to the Kingsley Hotel is the largest.
😉 Also on the site of Our Lady’s Hospital, ABP have refused Lance Investments their application for the redevelopment of the Eastern Wing of the former hospital to incorporate 192-apartments and a nearby 232-bedroom hotel. The location for the hotel would have provided spectacular city views but it, and the apartment development are distinctly unsuited to this particular, precious location. Once again, I support the ruling by ABP.
– As anyone who knows me will tell you, I’m a strong advocate for large scale development in Cork, but the above projects should be more focused on city centre and docklands areas – or other locations within the city that don’t injure the few genuine architectural gems we have in Cork city. Cornmarket Street, the Coal Quay, lower Bachelors Quay or Copley Street would be far more suitable centre locations. Hopefully, both Fleming and Lance Investments will reconsider their options and focus their investment toward the city, in which, I wish them every success.
Originally posted by d_d_dallas
Lexington – it was a given even before it was announced that Water St would be brought to ABP by certain obsessed unbalanced people.
There no doubt, some horribly watered down version of the project will get put through – and miss the greatest opportunity to get the docklands off to a positive note. The submission to ABP has probably already been prepared, you know something to the effect “this important and popular area is a valued historical record of economic deprivation, crime and recession and the unremarkable, therefore it demands preservation”.Originally posted by mickeydocs “this important and popular area is a valued historical record of economic deprivation, crime and recession and the unremarkable, therefore it demands preservation”.
Interesting. I don’t believe most Dubliners feel like that toward Cork. I think the thought isn’t really ever on their minds – Corkonians probably exaggerate that ideology more than anyone else. From dealing with Dublin based developers, my general feeling is that they don’t really care where the development is as long as it’s profitable first and foremost. However, I do acknowledge that it is a mentality that nonetheless does exist in the minority. It’s a real shame. I think certain people forget that what’s good for Cork, is good for Ireland. Last time I checked, we were all in the same country.
I have little to no respect for An Taisce – I genuinely can’t understand sometimes why they act the way they do toward Cork. It’s very frustrating and exceptionally unfair to not only developers, but the people of Cork. Their behaviour in Cork has made them gain little respect in Cork as a whole – this is true because a interest of mine has researched this and had it independently verified. An Taisce really are troublemakers in Cork at least.
Cork is on the verge of creating a new dynamic commercial and business region in the docklands. Water Street is a vital element of this. As is City Quarter, No.6 and No.6 Lapps Quay, Albert Quay House development (Howard Holdings) and Eglinton Street. I don’t understand why people like An Taisce and CIE are holding something so incredible back. As Howard Holdings have said, Cork with the proper investment has the ability to become Europe’s best value and most dynamic international business city – as distinct from the administrative and national financial base that Dublin is for Ireland. Cork could be a stand alone international financial centre – this is what Howard Holdings among other developers are really pushing forward with. It’s a shame people like An Taisce can’t share and support this vision which will benefit ALL people.
Originally posted by lexington
Cork is on the verge of creating a new dynamic commercial and business region in the docklands. Water Street is a vital element of this. As is City Quarter, No.6 and No.6 Lapps Quay, Albert Quay House development (Howard Holdings) and Eglinton Street. I don’t understand why people like An Taisce and CIE are holding something so incredible back. As Howard Holdings have said, Cork with the proper investment has the ability to become Europe’s best value and most dynamic international business city – as distinct from the administrative and national financial base that Dublin is for Ireland. Cork could be a stand alone international financial centre – this is what Howard Holdings among other developers are really pushing forward with. It’s a shame people like An Taisce can’t share and support this vision which will benefit ALL people.I quite like the Water St development, it has a lot of urban design quality for sure.
Did An Taisce in Cork object to it?
If so on what grounds?
Contrary to what many of you think, An Taisce in Dublin has little input to the planning process in Cork, it is virtually all handled by the Cork association.
The development of a vibrant urban quarter in Cork better than the first phases IFSC is in everyones interest nationally. I hope that you are able to learn from refinement that the DDDA has undergone in recent years.
Yeah Diaspora, An Taisce objected on the grounds that it would be an aesthetic eye-sore to the Port of Cork area, it would over-shadow existing warehousing on site. I have the submission here in front of me and for the life of me I don’t see exactly where their objection really is. The onsite warehousing, which is derelict, is at huge expense being retained, refurbished and redeveloped for office use. And if anyone is familiar with the Port of Cork, they will well know that if anything, Water Street would be an exceptionally welcome addition to the skyline there. It’s not a very strong argument.
I know I bash An Taisce quite often, but I suppose one must really understand the extent and nature of their activity in Cork. You really do have to be here to realise the grief they cause. I can’t understand it. So, I’m not really knocking the organisation at a national level I suppose, it’s really the Cork branch (who aren’t even from Cork bar 2 members) that are nothing more than troublemakers. Trust me on this one.
What I find remarkable is, that with a number of developments, An Taisce in Cork quite often submit not just one objection – but will submit an object per member on behalf of An Taisce Corcaigh, which truly is shameful. A number of applications receive up to 7 objections from individual members on behalf of their organisation. And if it’s not enough, the appeal to the National Trust in Dublin to lodge a further objection.
Something really must be done about this, I hope the new changes at An Taisce as you’ve mentioned, will address this issue down South. It becomes very tiring and very frustrating.
I too hope to contribute in the development of the Cork Docklands to attain a status such as that which you mentioned above. It will strengthen not only the city and the south at an internationally scale, but will strengthen the country. It inspires quite a lot of excitement among the people of Cork, developers and myself.
An Tasice are a reactionary body. I use that term for any group of people who fetishise the past regardless of the merit of past ideologies, or – in this case – buildings ; and always oppose the modern. There can be much to oppose in modern day architecture, but An Taisce opposes everything – it seems – with no regard to the merits of the new buildings, or the demerits of the old.
As a reactionary body they tend to attract the most reactionary people in the State: Old Money. I suspect that is obvious from the membership of An Taisce in the Cork area ( who are I notice too busy objecting to everything to appear on this board to defend their actions in Cork – I suppose an Internet Bulletin board which attract people interested in architecture from Cork is too beneath them – even if they were, any of them, to own a computer). They are a totally unaccountable and unelected group, unaccountable even to popular discussion on this or any other forum where they could be challenged,, and given a soft ride by the local press which should name them. ( I talk now, in particular of the Cork branch).
As for the preservation of the old buildings like the Warehouses ( or Stack A in Dublin) – it reminds me of a line from ChinaTown.
Jack Nickolson accuses the corrupt politician John Hillerman of being “respectable”. Hillerman responds ( this is a paraphrase cos I’m lazy)
” Respectable. I suppose I am. Crooked politicians, whores, and old buildings all become respectable if they last long enough”
Lexington I’ll send you a copy of the soon to be published ‘Dublin Inspirations’ report on the An Taisce view of contemporary design.
I am sorry to hear that Water St was objected to on aesthetic grounds, I could not have reached that conclusion myself.
The issue of Seven objections is a bit confusing, are all of these objections coming in on headed ‘An Taisce’ paper? or are they ‘personal objections’ on un-acredited paper?
ASDASD, I really couldn’t be bothered trying to reason with such rant.
I assume that the Odlums building and the R&H Hall buildings are protected structures! Does anyone know if they are and in what way are they to be incorporated into the docklands development?
ASDASD,
What you are talking about was discussed in a thread about 6 months ago, if you want to have a look:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2686&perpage=25&pagenumber=1I was sorry too. I’d be interested to read the report – I’ll get back to you on that with third party contact information as I’m heading away for 7 days from tomorrow.
The objections are lodged on behalf of organisation members under the An Taisce banner. For example (probably not the best, but an example nonetheless) is the John Mannix office, residential and retail development for Washington Street. -> An Taisce Corcaigh lodged 3 seperate objections ->
CCC Application # 04/28202
KEVIN HURLEY AN TAISCE CORCAIGH, 23/04/2004 23/04/2004
ELAINE NI MUILLEOIR AN TAISCE CORCAIGH, 23/04/2004 26/04/2004
MS. LUCY DAWE LANE AN TAISCE CORCAIGH, 23/04/2004 26/04/2003That is not fair practice. Shouldn’t the organisation lodge one inclusive and representative submission as oppose to many, if they must? (And I wish they didn’t full stop). But this is the nature of their behaviour in Cork and this is not the worst example of it. All of the above are individual submissions under An Taisce. That said, CCC should refuse to accept more than one submission from any one organisation.
I don’t want to continue ranting on about An Taisce. I use this forum to inform people of Cork developments and I should continue to focus on that. However, sometimes An Taisce Corcaigh just make my blood boil and I need to outlet it. No offence intended to your work at all or to you personally Diaspora.
A number of interesting developments are due to be announced shortly for Cork.
*UPDATES*🙂 Rohcon Ltd erected a new tower crane over the site adjoining Hewitt Mills along the Blackpool By-pass yesterday. The site is owned and beind developed by Joe Carey and Frank Sheehan, who on a site right next door, are nearing completion on their development of 65 apartments in a semi-circular red-brick building of 7-storeys, designed by J.E. Keating & Assoc. This new development is one of further apartments, 44 (after CCC modification), in a line of between 4 and 5 storey blocks.
Originally posted by lexington
The objections are lodged on behalf of organisation members under the An Taisce banner. For example (probably not the best, but an example nonetheless) is the John Mannix office, residential and retail development for Washington Street. -> An Taisce Corcaigh lodged 3 seperate objections ->You are right there should never be more than one signatory to any observation.
Enjoy your break
It’s lonely in here without Lexington 🙂
I hope he’s back for the Water Street planning announcement, and the Eglinton Road announcement (although he already seems to know what’s gonna be built).
Anyone seen yesterday’s echo in relation to the county council’s draft plan for the growth of the Cork metropolitan region? Is it all pie in the sky for now or is there any meat to it?
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