Look at de state of Cork, like!
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Here are just some interesting images of Howard Holdings City Quarter development on Lapps Quay. Unfortunately, these images don’t include the surrounding recent developments at No.5 and No.6 Lapps Quay, nor the redeveloped Bus Station and plan for Custom House Quay. They also pre-date the addition of a 6th floor to the office element of the project, but they provide a good idea of what the completed project will look like.
A person on the know has told me that O’Callaghan’s have been guaranteed the new city centre event centre. Has anyone else heard anything in relation to this?
Originally posted by lexington
Here are just some interesting images of Howard Holdings City Quarter development on Lapps Quay. Unfortunately, these images don’t include the surrounding recent developments at No.5 and No.6 Lapps Quay, nor the redeveloped Bus Station and plan for Custom House Quay. They also pre-date the addition of a 6th floor to the office element of the project, but they provide a good idea of what the completed project will look like. With all the recent press about the wonderful new look Patrick Street, I couldn’t believe the headlines on todays news saying that Cork was the dirtiest city in Ireland, and that Pana was ‘filthy’.
Bishop Lucey Park and Oliver Plunkett Street were also singled out for criticism. One good point was that the city council were told to get their act together – and not before time. They seem to have no pride in Cork at all.
The level of chewing gum spat upon our streets is a disgrace, some people have total disregard for the area. Sorry to rant on again, but another reason Pana looks filthy is overflowing litter bins (Hello City Council – do you think you can EVER address this situation, it’s going on as long as I can remember – do you ever have meetings and put plans in place to address issues???)
Also the 4 or 5 new taxi ranks clogging up the street, and allowing 20-30 car park spaces there is another joke. Oh, and while I’m at it, why are loading bays allowed to operate until 6pm on Saturdays, our busiest shopping days?? Crazy – and on Saturdays, 90% of the time they are occupied by abandoned vehicles anyway. Who really delivers on Saturday afternoons, clogging up the main street?
Finally, as I walked along Maylor St on Saturday afternoon, I was bullied out of the way by a ‘people carrier’. I said to the driver ‘this is pedestrian only until 5pm’. I can’t repeat his reply here, but why is there never any Gardai stopping these people?
Well although I take some of your points and completely agree with them – the title of ‘Dirtiest City’ I do think is undeserved. I disagree with this not purely because of my Leeside pride but because in genuine fairness, this title is far from the truth. Cork has made prudent and effective efforts in tidying up its image. I don’t want to name other cities and towns for fear of being condemningly accusative, but I can think of many other urban centres around Ireland that a disgracefully rubbished.
It’s unfair to label streets like Patrick’s Street and Oliver Plunkett Street as being ‘dirty’ especially at a time of such dramatic redevelopment is like shooting fish in a barrell. Of course they’ll be unsightly during such construction work.
However, I agree wholeheartedly about the inadequate bins on Patricks Street which CCC are now having to replace at a cost of 90,000 euros. They are too small, too difficult and as a result, cannot handle the appropriate volume of waste. This inadequacy is staining what has become a superb thoroughfare.
Plans are in the motion to close of Patrick’s Street to public traffic, bar buses, emergency and goods vehicles – but this will not come into effect until all city centre resurfacing and development work has been complete.
In addition, the Gardai have taken a lazy and inadequate stance on controlling the inner city pedestrian priority zones. It is a disgrace and has made what should be a pleasant shopping and walking district into a hostile one. Instead of campaigning against the condition of Beamish & Crawford premises, I think energy would be better invested in campaigning the Gardai and CCC to address this far more serious but neglected issue.
Why don’t we start a petition
a. to see the removal of the bus shelter from pana
b. to encourage the ccc to powerhouse the renovated city centre at least once a month
c. to remove the parking spaces from panaanyone got the technical skill to launch an on-line petition?
Originally posted by Pana01
With all the recent press about the wonderful new look Patrick Street, I couldn’t believe the headlines on todays news saying that Cork was the dirtiest city in Ireland, and that Pana was ‘filthy’.Bishop Lucey Park and Oliver Plunkett Street were also singled out for criticism. One good point was that the city council were told to get their act together – and not before time. They seem to have no pride in Cork at all.
The level of chewing gum spat upon our streets is a disgrace, some people have total disregard for the area. Sorry to rant on again, but another reason Pana looks filthy is overflowing litter bins (Hello City Council – do you think you can EVER address this situation, it’s going on as long as I can remember – do you ever have meetings and put plans in place to address issues???)
Also the 4 or 5 new taxi ranks clogging up the street, and allowing 20-30 car park spaces there is another joke. Oh, and while I’m at it, why are loading bays allowed to operate until 6pm on Saturdays, our busiest shopping days?? Crazy – and on Saturdays, 90% of the time they are occupied by abandoned vehicles anyway. Who really delivers on Saturday afternoons, clogging up the main street?
Finally, as I walked along Maylor St on Saturday afternoon, I was bullied out of the way by a ‘people carrier’. I said to the driver ‘this is pedestrian only until 5pm’. I can’t repeat his reply here, but why is there never any Gardai stopping these people?
There was that guy who had the beamish protest!
Let me say as a non-Corkonian who lived there for a time, that I am delighted to see the love Cork people on this site have for their city, and the proactive attitude to changing things for the better.
It was always a beautiful city, but there was some of an attitude of “Era, sure it’ll do” back in the day.
Move over boys; new generation in town.
Filthy Cork
Cork is Ireland’s dirtiest city: survey
30 August 2004 13:33
Cork has been branded the dirtiest city in the country just four months before it will become the European Capital of Culture.This is the second survey published this year by the Irish Business Against Litter alliance and, encouragingly, it shows major improvements in the state of many towns and cities.
But IBAL Chairman Dr Tom Cavanagh slams the condition of Dublin city centre and Cork city centre which, he says, is the dirtiest in the country.
Cork’s main street, Patrick Street, was described as being filthy, with large amounts of litter and not enough bins. Nearby Oliver Plunkett Street was said to have a serious litter problem too, while the approach roads to the city were branded blackspots which presented a terrible image to visitors.
Cork City Council, which spends €5m per year on street cleaning, said it would not comment until it had studied the findings of the survey.
Dublin city centre was similarly described as having a serious litter problem, while Tallaght and Tullamore were branded litter blackspots.
Cavan is the country’s cleanest town while the survey’s authors said there had been a spectacular improvement in Galway city, which was litter free.
Originally posted by asdasd
There was that guy who had the beamish protest!Let me say as a non-Corkonian who lived there for a time, that I am delighted to see the love Cork people on this site have for their city, and the proactive attitude to changing things for the better.
It was always a beautiful city, but there was some of an attitude of “Era, sure it’ll do” back in the day.
Move over boys; new generation in town.
They’re very decent words asdasd, and I know they are very well appreciated. Thank you.
Niall, the report more accurately mentioned Cork as being in the top 4 dirtiest urban areas. I title I dispute vehemently. I will be studying this report in detail. I agree Cork is no-where near an ideal, but it is also displaced of the this title the report has bestowed on it. Nonetheless, we must keep working hard at bringing our city to exemplary standards.
*UPDATES*🙂 Tesco Ireland have lodged a planning application with CCC for the development of a Tesco Discount Petrol Station at its newly expanded Wilton Shopping Centre premises along the Sarsfield Road.
🙂 Preliminary construction work is already beginning at the former Statoil at Victoria Cross as Bowen Construction proceed with Phase 2 of the Victoria Mills student development. Developers Paul Montgomery and Edmund Kenneally’s project Phase 2 will cater for an additional 31 apartments and 3000sq ft ground floor commercial unit.
😡 Objections, seemingly as much of Cork’s way of life as calling someone a ‘langer’, have been lodged against Riga Ltd (O’Callaghan Properties) proposed 160m euro redevelopment of the Jury’s Hotel site on the Western Road/Lancaster Quay. The objections are based on fears that the project will obscure views of St. Finbars Cathedral from Sundays Well (15mins across the city from the proposed development on a hillside). Sigh. The objection is a little ridiculous as anyone familiar with the nature of the development and its lay-out will tell you, but so are some people.Well now!
Didn’t you know that one house miles and miles away is entitled to hold up a much needed development – all because they might not have as much of Finbarres to enjoy from their back garden.
Maybe Jurys should object to that lady’s tatty house that it spoils the people of Cork’s view of Sunday’s Well from Lancaster Qy…?After picking a full black sack of rubbish off a garden in High St Dublin 8 exactly 7 days after it was last cleaned I can say that Cork isn’t the only place in Ireland to suffer from mindless selfish behaviour.
Four Months should be sufficient time to get extra bins and cleansing personnel before the year begins.
Originally posted by lexington
🙂 Preliminary construction work is already beginning at the former Statoil at Victoria Cross [/B]
Lexington. Do you know if there are any development planned for the vacant cash and carry which is adjacent to the statoil garage? Its been empty for years now.
corkdood as far as know it is more student apartments, heard it is supposed to be starting soon enough. I am sure Lexington will have more info for you!
On the subject of litter, I was home a few weeks ago and thought the place was beginning to look alot better, suppose with the amount of wrok going on in streets as Oliver Plunkett St, it is bound to create a bad initial impression!
corkdood as far as know it is more student apartments, heard it is supposed to be starting soon enough.
On the subject of litter, I was home a few weeks ago and thought the place was beginning to look alot better, suppose with the amount of wrok going on in streets as Oliver Plunkett St, it is bound to create a bad initial impression!
corkdood as far as know it is more student apartments, heard it is supposed to be starting soon enough. I am sure Lexington will have more info for you!
On the subject of litter, I was home a few weeks ago and thought the place was beginning to look alot better, suppose with the amount of wrok going on in streets as Oliver Plunkett St, it is bound to create a bad initial impression!
The highlighting of the litter issue will be a catalyst for improving on the litter problem. Patrick street needs to be cleaned during the day, and not just in the mornings and evenings.
Originally posted by Leesider
corkdood as far as know it is more student apartments, heard it is supposed to be starting soon enough. I am sure Lexington will have more info for you!On the subject of litter, I was home a few weeks ago and thought the place was beginning to look alot better, suppose with the amount of wrok going on in streets as Oliver Plunkett St, it is bound to create a bad initial impression!
It seems that the majority of the Docklands activity to date is centred around Horgan’s quay and areas either north or west of the docklands. Has anyone heard of any activity on the South side of the docks, for example centre parks road?
THe city council website is prob the best source for information regarding what is proposed for the centre park road area. If you go to the website you can look at the docklands development plan in adobe format. It provides an interesting view of the plans for this area in the future.
Thanks Satanta for the info, but I’m looking for actual developments taking place or in planning, rather than what the ccc would like to see happen. I’m looking for info really on projects that are close to realisation, projects such as the Howard Holdings/O’Flynns for Albert Quay/Eglinton Street.
Centre Parks Road and the Marina have the advantage of a genuinely beautiful setting (if you ignore the actual architecture and concentrate on the leafy riverside setting). I really hope that the regeneration of this area will be realised, ’cause it needs redevelopment as much as Horgan quay.
corkdood – Lexington. Do you know if there are any development planned for the vacant cash and carry which is adjacent to the statoil garage? Its been empty for years now.
John J. Fleming Construction, on behalf of UCC, have been granted permission after appeal for the demolition of the existing warehouse structures at M&P O’Sullivan Cash & Carry, Victoria Cross and the development of 60 student apartments, catering for 255 students, 62 basement car parking spaces, commercial units at ground floor & laundry – all in 4 stepped back, 5-storey blocks. Construction will go-ahead on word for UCC Buildings & Estates Dept.
To mickeydocs, besides the previously mentioned projects at Alberts Quay (Howard Holdings) and Eglinton Street (O’Flynn Construction) – Custom House Quay (warehousing to the rear of Custom House) has been already surveyed by a consortium of private developers (this I am aware of) however, there have been no further developments since this survey 4 months ago, or specific communication with CCC. However I am aware, that it was the initial intention for the developers to construct a landmark office building at the site, incorporating the attractive Custom House building. The building was suppose to offer a dramatic entrance to Cork city centre itself. But I have heard little of it since, I will let you know if anything crops up in the meantime.Rumours (as reported in one of my previous posts) of a German bank locating to a major, purpose built office facility along Kennedy Quay have aired in the past, but we will not know any more of this until Feb 2005 (the period of which Dublin’s IFSC tax designation runs out).
CCC have pushed for the redevelopment of R&H Hall Grain Silos along Kennedy Quay (something in the vain of the Baltic Centre in Newcastle/Gateshead but for commercial use and with more extensive redevelopment). This earmark, has been much of the reason why CCC have not adopted a specific high-buildings policy within the docklands area, because the redevelopment would be anywhere between 12 to 15 storeys high. Also, the area is designated for high-density development (with a view to high-rise). The majority of land in this area is also privately owned, so the best CCC can do is encourage sale and relocation.
However, Horgan’s Quay and Water Street remain the main movers in the Docklands development. Water Street, with a planning decision date due for 29th of September 2004, is the first development off the ranks so to speak. It is an impressive start (400 apartments in a series of waterside blocks ranging between 3 to 19 storeys high, and office/IT development and commercial boardwalk area) and we sincerely hope that this most vital project receives an unconditional go-ahead. Werdna Ltd are the developers behind this project.
Horgan’s Quay has seen some movement with the Conference/Convention centre element at Railway Street, but nothing solid. The remainder of the proposed development sees a series of high-rise 20 – 25 storey, waterside commercial and residential buildings, new commercial/retail hub, redeveloped railway station and landmark plaza with recreational area. CIE, Treasury Holdings, Manor Park Homes and Howard Holdings are among the list of potential investors/developers.
However, believe me that most of the major docklands developments focused on the southern docks will not be announced until the outcomes of the northern dock projects have been verified.
The GAA are favourites to acquire the Cork Showgrounds near Pairc Ui Chaoimh (along the southern docks) – which it is proposed they will redevelop the stadium and construct new hotel and conference facilities, with additional training facilities also on-site.
Of note, a large site (1.6 acres) sold by Lisney along the Centre Park Road went for 2m euro to a private developer (whom I am informed, intends to make a series of similar purchases nearby as part of a strategic, major commercial development).
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