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  • #732562
    Leesider
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    any chance of getting the picture on here??

    #732563
    lexington
    Participant

    I obtained a set of CG images from both the developer, O’Callaghan Properties, and the project architect, Finghin Curraoin of Henry J. Lyons & Associates – but they are currently in a format I’m having trouble converting. So in the meantime, here is a press image of the 160m euro Jury’s Hotel site redevelopment on the Western Road/Lancaster Quay – which will consist of a 4-star 185 bedroom hotel with over 10,000sq ft conference facilities and leisure facilities, a public amenity plaza, riverside boardwalk, 300 luxury 1, 2 & 3-bedroom apartments, 2 new bridges (1 pedestrian, 1 vehicular) and 450 undergound car-parking spaces. Contractors will be Bowen Construction, and planning pending, the project is set to go for Spring 2005 with a Summer 2006 completion date.

    The design is tasteful, but nothing remarkable. It shows a continued trend with O’Callaghan Properties of late to work toward more tastefully designed projects. Though I still feel a little anxious about the residential element of the development, the design and application have allayed some of this anxiety.



    *UPDATES*

    :rolleyes:ABP have granted permission following appeal for 2 student accomodation developments at Victoria Cross.

    The 1st is Paul Montgomery/Edmund Kenneally’s extension of their 59 apartment, 9-storey Victoria Hall designed by Derek Tynan and being constructed by the Bowen Group. The extension will create 60 additional bed spaces to the near complete main development – seeing the demolition of the existing petrol station and construction of a 4-storey over basement car-park building with ground floor commercial unit. (see previous posts)

    The 2nd is a student development designed by Bertie Pope and Associates and being developed by Fleming Construction on behalf of UCC. Permission was granted for the demolition of existing warehouses on site and the construction of 60 no. student apartments in five/six storey blocks consisting of 3/ 4 & 5 study bedrooms per apartments to accommodate 255 students,
    62 no. car parking spaces at basement level, Wardens Apartment, Management Suite containing Reception, Seminar Room and Offices, 200sq.m. café/shop & 3 no. Commercial/Retail units 200sq.m. in total, laundry and other ancillary facilities and full site development at the former M & P Cash & Carry premises on Victoria Road, Cork.

    Just nearby, Rathmelton Investments were set to begin on a colossal student project, in addition to the 82-bedroom and offices extension of their Kingsley Hotel, with 116 student apartments in a series of 5-storey interlinked blocks and a dual basement car-park with 740 spaces. Design is by Murray O’Laoire (see previous post) – it is believed now however that this student element will not proceed.


    #732564
    satanta99
    Participant

    I noticed that the carphone warehouse outlet next to Roches stores has a deal agreed notice on it? I wonder who will take over the lease?
    I am happy to hear that the days of the present Jurys Hotel are numbered! It is horrible! Does anyone remember when it was painted pink?
    I’m really starting to get worried about that 9story block of student accomodation going up in Victoria mills! I think its goina look awful! Maybe when the scaffolding comes down and when we will be able to get a holistic vista it might be okay!

    #732565
    lexington
    Participant

    *UPDATES*

    🙂 Cork’s popular arthouse cinema, the Kino, has applied for permission to demolish its existing cinema on Washington Street and construct 3 new cinemas on seperate upper-storeys each and with a ground-floor restaurant. All the cinemas’ surrounding lanes will be adjusted to cater for this development. Architects are Dennehy + Dennehy.



    🙂 J.D. Hotels Ltd. have lodged an application to develop a 4 – 5 storey restaurant and bar w/ ancillary offices complex at 77/78 Grand Parade and 1 – 9 Tobin Street. The project will see the demolition of 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 & 9 Tobin Street, demolition of 78 Grand Parade and retention/refurbishment of 78 Grand Parade – which will be incorporated into the new building.



    :confused: For anyone interested in Sean Meehan’s parking and commercial development at Grenville Place, near the Mercy Hospital – believe it or not, the plan includes the construction of a vehicular access bridge off the Grenville Place Quay, which will then loop back into the quay wall into the development which is planned to be constructed 3-levels under the ground and river. Commercial units will also be part of the project composition. More on this development as soon as it is clarified by the developer. I will update accordingly.



    😡 And yes satanta – Victoria Mills is no pretty picture.


    #732566
    lexington
    Participant

    🙁 On an inspection today of both John Mannix’s 7-storey retail/office and residential development for 41-44 Washington Street (designed by Dermot Coveney of Coveney & Assoc.) I have to say, it is certainly curious. The design is initially unappealling. It resembles close to nothing on the street with a blend of dark, steely green, red, blue and white colourings. A huge 3 storey, rectangular bay window graces the highly prominent corner, from street level up, and the 5th and 6th floors are stepped back. Although I must say, the more one looks at the design, the more it grows on you. It has an arrogant beauty about it and is unashamedly loud. With the exception of the boxy roof (distasteful), one starts to think, this could be what Cork – and more notably, Washington Street, needs, a loud and proud design. In context, the corner bay windows would light up the street and give it a modern edge, but I really wish something would be done to amend the roof.

    By contrast, where the previous Rockfell proposal for Cornmarket Street had a sense of class and post-modern, symmetrical grace to it (designed by Frank Ennis & Assoc), the current proposal (though 6 storeys, is not short off the prev. proposal height of 9-storeys), the new proposal is a modern monstrosity of epic proportions, it is also, oddly, designed by Niall Coffey of Frank Ennis & Assoc. It is strange to think how such a monster could come from the same house as the previous classic. Though I support the development, Cork is truly getting a lesser option in comparison to the original. It is essentially a left-over and I rue the day ABP refused the original proposal. It is a true shame in the context of what is to come.



    Meanwhile, O’Callaghan Properties lodged their application (under the name Riga Ltd) for planning on the site of the Jurys Hotel along the Western Road. A correction to media reports, the apartment element ranges between 6 – 9 storeys high. And there will be 303 apartments and a 182 bedroom hotel. At least this 9-storey apartment building has an element of design to it, versus Victoria Hall. For design of the 160m euro project, see previous post.



    Finally, for those who requested images of the Grand Parade Plaza, retail and residential development by Frinailla. Here are 2. The first is the Grand Parade elevation, the second is the prespective from South Main Street. Design is by Richard Rainey & Assoc. Contractors are John Paul Construction.

    #732567
    lexington
    Participant

    🙁 After the recent, refusal for Lidl GmbH to construct new storesat Churchfield and Ballincollig in Cork, Aldi’s proposed store at Fitz’s Boreen in Blackpool, Cork comes as a further blow to the discount food merchants in the city. Aldi also had a refusal of a store in Ballincollig recently. There is clearly a ‘un-right’ in all of this that must be addressed. Aldi await the decision for the proposed mixed used 48-apartment, retail centre, creche, play facility and discount food store at Tory Top Road in Cork meanwhile.

    #732568
    mickeydocs
    Participant

    Can anyone list the proposed list of developments for Grand Parade and provide a little info into each.

    What’s happening with the redevelopment of the Parade?

    #732569
    lexington
    Participant

    😉 A number of projects are taking place in and around Grand Parade at present and are planned for the future. Grand Parade has always been a traditionally important and vibrant Cork main street and has been earmarked as an important natural progression of the existing Patrick’s Street commerical core – along with Cornmarket Street.

    -> First, is the Grand Parade redevelopment, which has already begun its first phase, between Daunt Sqaure and Finns Corner, which is scheduled for a late September completion. The redevelopment has been designed by Beth Gali, who also designed the Patrick’s Street and Oliver Plunkett Street refurbishments and whom has been hired to begin design on the entire length of Grand Parade (schedule for initiation is as yet unknown).

    -> A number of commercial developments are embracing the Grand Parade area. Most notably the Grand Parade Plaza retail and residential development (see post above for images) on the site of the old Grand Parade Hotel linked to South Main Street. The project consists of a 7-storey over basement building designed by Richard Rainey – holding 50 apartments, incl. 3 roof-top penthouses, communal ‘sky-gardens’ throughout, a retail mall and underground car-parking. Almost ALL apartments (starting at 369,000 up) and ALL parking spaces (80,000 each) have been sold at this point.

    -> J.D. Hotels Ltd, have applied to demolish the buildings at Singers Corner (except number 77 which will be refurbished) and along 1 – 9 Tobin’s Lane with a view to constructing a 4-storey late-night bar and restaurant w/ ancillary offices (see prev. post for more details).

    -> The English Market is due for a renewal in the near future.

    -> Not far from Grand Parade, John Mannix is awaiting a decision on a 7-storey over basement residential, retail and office development at 40-42 Washington Street.

    -> At 50 Grand Parade, the Kenny Group is planning a mixed use, 7-storey development of 22-bedroom hotel, 35 duplexes, 141 multi-storey car-parking, retail centre, office development, cantiviliered boardwalk, 2 superpubs, restaurants and cafes – designed by RKD McCarthy and on the site of the former Citi Car Park (oddly re-opened for use not so long ago after a planning amendment to the project was withdrawn). I will update you on this when I can.

    -> On Tobin Lane, the Triskel Arts Centre is currently undergoing a renovation and expansion. Cumnor Construction are on site.

    -> But the ‘big-one’, is that which is in the pipeline for the 30,000 sq ft Capitol Cineplex site at the Grand Parade/Washington Street junction. (see previous post on this topic for more details). An announcement is expected on this site when Ward Anderson announce their relocation to the new 11-screen multiplex at the Mahon Point SC, late this September.



    *UPDATES*

    :rolleyes: CCC have today received the Further Information they requested from Rockfell Investments regarding the major Cornmarket Street department store/residential development. A decision is now expected within 1 month.

    #732570
    mickeydocs
    Participant

    Thanks as always Lexington.

    The parade is my favourite street in Cork, and I believe it has incredible potential. This street could become our first boulevard if developed correctly (and the traffic redirected of course. The national monument, the english market, the peace park and the width of the street all add to the streets wonderful feel. Unfortunately it has been a wip for far too long.

    Singers Corner brings the whole street down and most would be glad to see this deconstructed and replaced (the georgian society will probably be up in arms again). Tobins Lane has also got great potential and I’m glad the Triskel are pumping some money into this site.

    On another topic, can we petition anyone to have that hideous portacabin removed from Patrick street.

    Originally posted by lexington
    😉 A number of projects are taking place in and around Grand Parade at present and are planned for the future. Grand Parade has always been a traditionally important and vibrant Cork main street and has been earmarked as an important natural progression of the existing Patrick’s Street commerical core – along with Cornmarket Street.

    -> First, is the Grand Parade redevelopment, which has already begun its first phase, between Daunt Sqaure and Finns Corner, which is scheduled for a late September completion. The redevelopment has been designed by Beth Gali, who also designed the Patrick’s Street and Oliver Plunkett Street refurbishments and whom has been hired to begin design on the entire length of Grand Parade (schedule for initiation is as yet unknown).

    -> A number of commercial developments are embracing the Grand Parade area. Most notably the Grand Parade Plaza retail and residential development (see post above for images) on the site of the old Grand Parade Hotel linked to South Main Street. The project consists of a 7-storey over basement building designed by Richard Rainey – holding 50 apartments, incl. 3 roof-top penthouses, communal ‘sky-gardens’ throughout, a retail mall and underground car-parking. Almost ALL apartments (starting at 369,000 up) and ALL parking spaces (80,000 each) have been sold at this point.

    -> J.D. Hotels Ltd, have applied to demolish the buildings at Singers Corner (except number 77 which will be refurbished) and along 1 – 9 Tobin’s Lane with a view to constructing a 4-storey late-night bar and restaurant w/ ancillary offices (see prev. post for more details).

    -> The English Market is due for a renewal in the near future.

    -> Not far from Grand Parade, John Mannix is awaiting a decision on a 7-storey over basement residential, retail and office development at 40-42 Washington Street.

    -> At 50 Grand Parade, the Kenny Group is planning a mixed use, 7-storey development of 22-bedroom hotel, 35 duplexes, 141 multi-storey car-parking, retail centre, office development, cantiviliered boardwalk, 2 superpubs, restaurants and cafes – designed by RKD McCarthy and on the site of the former Citi Car Park (oddly re-opened for use not so long ago after a planning amendment to the project was withdrawn). I will update you on this when I can.

    -> On Tobin Lane, the Triskel Arts Centre is currently undergoing a renovation and expansion. Cumnor Construction are on site.

    -> But the ‘big-one’, is that which is in the pipeline for the 30,000 sq ft Capitol Cineplex site at the Grand Parade/Washington Street junction. (see previous post on this topic for more details). An announcement is expected on this site when Ward Anderson announce their relocation to the new 11-screen multiplex at the Mahon Point SC, late this September.



    *UPDATES*

    :rolleyes: CCC have today received the Further Information they requested from Rockfell Investments regarding the major Cornmarket Street department store/residential development. A decision is now expected within 1 month.

    #732571
    lexington
    Participant

    Yet another addition to the Section 50 market in Cork city – Frank Sheahan’s 15 apartment development on Lynch’s Street (just off Little Hanover Street and Sheare’s Street) has been officially launched. The new student accomodation building is being constructed by P.J. Hegarty’s and was designed by Jack Coughlan and Associates on the site of the former Club FX nightclub. Each apartment contains between 3 & 4 bedrooms, parking is provided at a basement level for vehicles and bicycles. The ground floor will act as a commercial facility in conjunction with a bar/nightclub extention.

    This development, and considering the history behind it’s incarnation, speaks little to me to say the least. Unimpressive as it may be, it still makes the Victoria Mills student development look like an accident.

    Frank Sheahan’s other large development at the moment, the Section 23 office development along the Blackpool By-pass, also designed by Jack Coughlan and constructed by P.J. Hegarty at least has a bit more panache to it.

    #732572
    mickeydocs
    Participant

    Regarding what area?

    Originally posted by lexington
    **BIG ANNOUNCEMENT TO BE MADE SOON!**

    #732573
    Pana01
    Participant

    Hmmm – looking forward to that BIG announcement, Lexington.

    Regarding that vile Portakabin, I have a bad feeling that it will be there forever. Why can’t these guys just have a ‘base’ at the bus station and be done with it? They’ve had it cushy for far too long.

    I read on the Echo last night that the Taxi drivers were having a big meeting to discuss their problems, including the explosion in the numbers of Taxis in Cork – and – this is the best bit – their dissatisfaction at the way people were parking in the ‘new taxi ranks’ in Patrick Street, taking up their valuable rank space.

    They are cluttering up Pana – please oust them to another location.

    #732574
    mickeydocs
    Participant

    Agreed. All parking on Pana should be banned, with the exception of buses and delivery vehicles.

    Taxi drivers should be moved to Academy street

    Originally posted by Pana01
    Hmmm – looking forward to that BIG announcement, Lexington.

    Regarding that vile Portakabin, I have a bad feeling that it will be there forever. Why can’t these guys just have a ‘base’ at the bus station and be done with it? They’ve had it cushy for far too long.

    I read on the Echo last night that the Taxi drivers were having a big meeting to discuss their problems, including the explosion in the numbers of Taxis in Cork – and – this is the best bit – their dissatisfaction at the way people were parking in the ‘new taxi ranks’ in Patrick Street, taking up their valuable rank space.

    They are cluttering up Pana – please oust them to another location.

    #732575
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Sorry, someone actually “designed” that student development on Lynch’s St? Think I preferred the dereliction and night clubs.

    Also – is anyone reminded of Smithfield Market when they look at the scan of Jurys – check out the lanterns and buildings…

    #732576
    lexington
    Participant

    *UPDATES*

    Rockfell Investments have successfully returned their Further Information request to CCC in the form of a Significant Further Information Response. The response is a massive return of information in which the co-operation between CCC, the developer and architect (Niall Coffey of Frank Ennis & Assoc) is unmissable. I have to say, though I may be disappointed in the Rockfell proposal with respect to their previous development attempt on the Guy & Co Cornmarket Street site, I am very impressed at how the developer has worked closely with CCC. It is evident both parties want to see this project up and running. Rockfell have made some major adjustments to their initial proposal in response to CCC requests.

    -> The overall number of apartments is now to be reduced by 15 from 80 to 65.

    -> Height at the Cornmarket Street elevation is to be dropped by 6m to calm overshadowing fears.

    -> 66 dedicated underground parking facilities are now to be provided.

    -> an additional retail unit is to be added (from 7 to 8) as part of an extended department store element, which will be divided over basement, ground and first floor levels whilst retention of the Guy & Co facade is maintained.

    -> The ‘Noddy’s Building’ on Cornmarket Street and Dalton’s Avenue will now form a more independent structure with relation to the primary development.

    -> Various alterations have been made to the building facade in the interest of aesthetic quality and enhancement of the overall design.

    -> Plus many more.

    This is a positive, a far more desirable development – it also shows that a constructive positive relationship between developer and planners can exist to maintain desirability, progression and sustainability at all levels to ensure a positive development outcome.

    #732577
    Torquemada
    Participant

    With all of the development and “resurfacing the island” it would be nice for the city of culture year if the council or someone could also look at painting the roadside poles and roadsigns,and cleaning the signs as well!

    #732578
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Lexington – I’m a little worried about the comment of alterations to the facade in the interest of “asthetic quality”… the CCC are hardly going to be the bastions of fine architectural taste. If their idea of positive intervention is that Frinailla dev on Grand Parade (yielding something so dull they might aswell retain the GP Hotel facade and noone would notice) then this could be an ominous sign. I know in this case (cormarket st) that the intial design for the hotel on site was a disaster so intervention is probably for the best here.

    #732579
    dowlingm
    Participant

    banishing the portacabiners to the bus station will be a long walk once Parnell Place Stn closes, no?

    #732580
    lexington
    Participant

    Originally posted by d_d_dallas
    I know in this case (cormarket st) that the intial design for the hotel on site was a disaster so intervention is probably for the best here.

    The current design for the Rockfell Investments project on Cornmarket Street is light-years from the original hotel design – and trust me, a little intervention was needed at the very least. Though the re-submission entails little facade alteration, it is alternations which are needed. However the Guy & Co building, red-brick facade is being retained, refurbished and incorporated as the department store entrance.

    With relation to tenants of the new department store, one of the anchors at Dundrum Town Centre (which is their 1st Irish store), I am told, have expressed an interest in at least one large, anchor unit within the department store – if not, all units with concession options. However no confirmation of this ‘rumour’ will be made until planning is granted and construction initiated. Furthermore, a major Swedish fashion retailler with ambitious Irish expansion plans (and whom is also opening a store at Dundrum) has indicated that either Cornmarket Street or Grand Parade would make desirable retail locations failing the ability to secure a sufficient premises on Patrick’s Street in Cork. By pure deduction, I am only assuming that Rockfell’s department store on Cornmarket Street or Frinailla’s Grand Parade Plaza would make suitable locations considering the large open-plan nature of their retail elements. However, as ATIS Harrington Bannon have indicated almost all units at the Grand Parade Plaza are Sale/Let/Terms Agreed, Rockfell’s Department Store would seem the more likely. However, this information is only an assumption made, based on received information.

    #732581
    satanta99
    Participant

    The portacabin on patricks st. is supposed to be only a temporary measure. I heard that the old bus conductors cabin is being restored and will be repositioned on the street in the future.

    I’d make the same assumption about that swedish retailer locating in either of these sites but I am also interested in the properties which have become vacant on Patricks st. The lease is for sale in the old pound city store and the lease has been sold in the carphone warehouse outlet. Also the newsagents across from merchants quay “the Favourite” appears to undergoing extensive reconstruction. These units may not have a large enought floor plate for the retailer mentioned above but might we see more international chains getting onto Patricks st. I know footlocker anounced a major expansion into the Irish market and so too did Starbucks.

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