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- March 20, 2009 at 2:36 am #803777
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InactiveCan somebody clarify something to me here.
Do the dinosaur county council want to build a monotrosity off the Newport interchange and have direct access to it.
That is not going to happen, No fucking way.
March 27, 2009 at 6:29 pm #803778Anonymous
InactiveThe Limerick Tunnel Spring newsletter is now available.
It looks likely that the first 5 km’s of the road (from Rossbrien to the Dock Road) could open this autumn. Laying of the road surface is set to begin in early summer.
The St Nessans Road overbridge should be open to traffic in the next week or 2, this will allow construction to begin on the SRR mainline underneath.
You would think that this partial opening would be a positive move but the traffic chaos at the Dock Road interchange dosent bear thinking about!:eek:
March 27, 2009 at 9:31 pm #803779Anonymous
InactiveLimerick County Council ~ N21 ADARE BYPASS
PUBLIC CONSULTATION
CONSTRAINTS STUDY & ROUTE CORRIDOR OPTIONS
Limerick County Council announces that it is to revisit and review the Route Corridor Selection for the N21 Adare Bypass. Changes in national infrastructural policy along with the recent announcement of the Emerging Preferred Route for the M20 Cork to Limerick Motorway Scheme have led to the reevaluation of the original preferred route of the Adare Bypass.
As part of the review process, Limerick County Council will host a public consultation event – entitled “Adare Bypass: Constraints Study and Route Corridor Options†– in the Dunraven Arms Hotel, Adare on Thursday 2 April from 2.00pm to 8.00pm.
The current review once completed will result in an Emerging Preferred Route for Adare Bypass being announced in May 2009. Following completion of the relevant statutory procedures, it is anticipated that the construction of the Adare Bypass will commence as part of the overall M20 Cork to Limerick Motorway scheme.
It has long been an objective of Limerick County Council to bypass the town of Adare, removing through traffic from the town centre, improving journey times both locally and on the strategic National Road network, thereby promoting local and regional development.
In March 2005 following an extensive study, Limerick County Council announced the Preferred Route Corridor for the N21 Adare Bypass, the Black Route Option to the north of the town of Adare.
In the intervening years, changes in infrastructural policy have occurred in the development of the strategic National Road network. Following the publication of Transport 21, the Western Corridor, linking the west coast with Waterford via the N24, was replaced by the Atlantic Road Corridor, linking the west coast to Waterford via the N20 and the N25.
The M20 Cork to Limerick Motorway scheme forms an integral part of the Atlantic Road Corridor, and is a priority scheme under Transport 21 and the National Development Plan. In October 2008 the Emerging Preferred Route for the M20 Cork to Limerick Motorway Scheme was announced by Cork County Council.
The provision of the associated M20 infrastructure in the vicinity of Adare has necessitated a review of the N21 Adare Bypass route corridor selection process. It is now essential that Limerick County Council revisit and review the Route Corridor Selection for the N21 Adare Bypass in order to ensure that the most appropriate route option is taken forward to the statutory processes, and that the return on public investment is optimised.
In light of these new developments, Limerick County Council, in conjunction with the National Roads Authority (NRA) is working with consultants Jacobs Engineering to examine and develop route corridor options for a bypass of the town of Adare. A revised Constraints Study Area has been developed which extends further south and east of Adare than the 2004 Constraints Study Area.
A brochure outlining the constraints study area and route corridor options along with a questionnaire will be available at the public display on the 2nd April 2009 and then from Limerick County Council’s Mid West National Road Design Office in Lissanalta House, Dooradoyle. The brochure will then also be made available for viewing online at http://www.midwestroads.ie .
The closing date for submissions is Monday 20th April 2009.
For further information contact:
Mid West National Road Design Office,
Limerick County Council,
Lissanalta House, Dooradoyle, County LimerickTelephone: 061 496 800; Fax: 061 583 150 Email: adare@midwestroads.ie Web
New Preferred Route Corridor Selection: May 2009
Originally the northern route along the railway line was the preferred choice. Though it does make sense to integrate it with the planned M20 Limerick / Cork (Atlantic Corridor). That could mean the bypass would run south of Adare instead?
March 28, 2009 at 12:18 am #803780Anonymous
InactiveIt would make more logic to bring the Adare M21 straight to the M20 just North of Croom and proceding directly west to the south of Adare. Leave the existing Patrickswell N20 junction for Adare and Croom traffic.
Building a Free flow futher Southwest would be more suited than a having a free flow just south of the Patrickswell interchange, that arrangement would make this section of road chaotic with weaving.
This is the cheapest and most econmical route IMO. Note this is simalar to the Porlaoise M7/M8 layout. It was not intentional. But I just don’t see the point in building the M20/M21 interchange just a km south of the existing N20 TOTO (as explained above) and then the N21 proceeding very close to Adare town with many crossing’s (including a rail bridge). The motoroway to motorway exist should be clearly much further southwest. Giving the M21 Adare bypass a more direct route inlign with the current M20. The current N21 bypass is to near and off the mark IMO. The advantages it would give, would make the Adare bypass have motorway restrictions and keep off road developments spriinging up. The Motorway motorway interchange is better located. The route I provided is much straighter and direct. The southern interchange should be fairly easily worked out, with the current regional road joining the N21. This can give acess to Adare town and the local road itself. The black dots are the best locations for interchanges.
P.S my map is not exactly on line for the M20 but close as I can get it to be from my memory of where the M20 goes by.. The M20 actually goes slighly more to the East near Croom on the map. So apolgies for my blunder there.
March 28, 2009 at 12:34 am #803781Anonymous
Inactive- Red dots, are overbridges, interchanges
- Black line – is preferred old route
- Blue line, is new route incoporated into M20
There is an excessive amount of overbridges and structures to be built on the Old preferred route. This was my favourable of routes, in the previous Adare route selection.
But I think it’s to much hassel skirting the N21 north of Adare when the Current M20 goes far south. Bear in mind, the Old N21 has to be upgraded. The M20M21 interchange is not in a suited location. I’d rather the M20/M21 placed in my new layout, And defer Adare and local N21 traffic exit at Patrickswell N20 interchange. This makes the route far more efficient and direct. The preferred old route, will cause urban sprawl around Adare also. I think the N21 incoporated into the M20 make’s more sense.
What are your views?
March 28, 2009 at 4:17 pm #803782Anonymous
Inactive@CologneMike wrote:
New Preferred Route Corridor Selection: May 2009
The local gombeen county councillors have been quick to react to this news, by calling for the NRA to be scrapped!:o
These are the same councillors who recently voted in favour of rezoning up to 200 acres of land surrounding the village for housing. They’re probably angry because this re-think scuppers their attempts to treat us to another exhibition of poor planning on lands opened up by the original bypass route!:rolleyes:
The reason behind the re-evaluation of the route is that it now looks likely that the Adare Bypass will be lumped in with the M20 Limerick – Cork PPP project. As part of this, a new free-flow junction between the M20/M21 or M20/N21 will be built to the south west of the existing Attyflin junction.
The Adare bypass is without question one of the most badly needed projects on the national road network. The fact that we still have Dual Carriageway volumes of traffic ploughing through the main street of a heritage town is absolutely pathetic!:rolleyes:
March 30, 2009 at 12:00 am #803783Anonymous
InactiveLimerick Southern Ring Road Phase II Construction (Dooradoyle)
The following pictures were taken by Zoney at boards.ie
View from Dooradoyle Road roundabout (Crescent shopping centre to the right)

View from Dooradoyle Road side of rbout (Dooradoyle Road has a link to N20 junction 1)

View of bridge from shopping centre car park, note the railway locomotive emerging from under the bridge – this is the Mungret line which has a level crossing on the existing St. Nessan’s Road (such as remains for the next couple of days). Nice timing. There is a slip off the ramp into the shopping centre carpark – just off frame to the left.

View of the southwest ramp. There is a bus bay just to the right, and the aforementioned slip is where the red car is. The dooradoyle roundabout is behind the vantage point of the photo. Note the temporary lane markings and studs for diverting both lanes of traffic over the complete half of the ramp.

View on existing St. Nessan’s Road of the bridge and diversion under. The northeastern bridge ramp sits right where the old road used to be – until last week the traffic was diverted to the left of this in the photo (while the initial diverting of Ballinacurra Creek and construction of the bridge took place). SRR still to be built under bridge once the traffic is diverted over it.

View of the SRR mainline taking form to the west – the Ballinacurra Creek is just on the left edge of the frame.

View of the bridge from the east, and the traffic diversion beneath – where the SRR mainline will be constructed. Mungret railway line is under the furthest span in the frame, the creek is in a culvert.

View of SRR mainline to the east.

Northeastern end of the bridge – there is a junction with the South Circular Road immediately left of the frame – complicating matters just a tad! The surface and pavement is pretty much entirely tied in on the northern side of the ramp – just left of frame.
March 30, 2009 at 10:16 pm #803784Anonymous
InactiveM20 Cork-Limerick Motorway Scheme
Proposed Schedule
Emerging preferred route corridor consultation (October 2008)
Preliminary design of preferred scheme (March 2009)
What is the current status regarding the proposed route between Charleville and Patrickswell and its proposed junctions?
I have not heard much feedback (Limerick Leader) from the communities it is proposed to serve. Have they all given it the thumbs up?
I hope the Limerick County Councillors are aware of all pros and cons of this route!!!!!
From what I see on the map below the following junctions could have the following traffic patterns.
- Junction 7 Croom area (predominant direction Limerick)
- Junction 6 Charleville / Kilmallock areas (predominant direction Limerick)
- Junction 5 Charleville / Kilmallock areas (predominant direction Cork)
March 31, 2009 at 12:20 am #803785Anonymous
InactiveThe M20 is now being progressed as a PPP, split up into 2 seperate projects (northern & southern sections). The preferred route is due to go on display in the next week or so.
Another major PPP scheme will be going out to tender pretty soon and if the money cant be secured for that project, then unfortunately things will look pretty bleak for the M20 aswell.
Fingers crossed!
April 7, 2009 at 10:04 pm #803786Anonymous
InactiveOn the midwest roads map, which option for the Adare bypass seems the most obvious, red, green or blue?
April 8, 2009 at 7:05 pm #803787Anonymous
Inactive@dodgyman wrote:
On the midwest roads map, which option for the Adare bypass seems the most obvious, red, green or blue?
From what I make out the original option 1 (Black Route) looks the better choice for the N21 bypass. It seems the bypass options 2, 3 and 4 will only connect the N21 with the old N20 road and not directly with the M20. One would eventually get onto M20 at the Attyflin (Patrickswell) junction. The NRA illustrations need more detail!
Which route do you preferr yourself?
Limerick County Council is to revisit and review the Route Corridor Selection for the N21 Adare Bypass as a result of changes in national infrastructural policy along with the recent announcement of the Emerging Preferred Route for the M20 Cork – Limerick Motorway Scheme.
Option 1 (Black Route)
Commences west of Adare on the N21 at Garraunboy, then departs from the existing road heading north east, crossing the L-8025 and the Greanagh River, before crossing Blackabbey Road and the Limerick-Foynes railway line and
heading east across Kildimo Road, then crossing the River Maigue and the railway before continuing parallel to the railway line to tie-in to the N21 at Gorteen.Option 2 (Green Route)
Commences west of Adare on the N21 at Rower Beg, then departs east, running parallel to the existing N21 before crossing the R519 and heading south east towards the townland of Boulabally, bridging the River Maigue. The route
continues eastward crossing both the L-1420 and L-8053 before tying into the N20 at Fanningstown.Option 3 (Red Route)
Commences west of Adare on the N21 at Rower Beg, then departs from the existing road heading south, before turning east and crossing the R519.
The route then traverses the townlands of Graiguesparling and Boulabally, where it bridges the River Maigue. The route turns north eastward
crossing both the L-1420 and L-8053 local roads before tying into the N20 at Garranroe.Option 4 (Blue Route)
Commences west of Adare on the N21 at Garraunboy, then departs from the existing road heading south east. The route crosses the R519 in the townland of Granard, before turning north eastward, crossing the River Maigue at Castleroberts and then the L-1420 before tying into the N20 at Fanningstown.April 8, 2009 at 8:10 pm #803788Anonymous
InactiveWell actually I live and work on one of these routes 🙁 . If the route I am on is chosen it will completely change everything for me I think. I would rather not say as to which route I am on as I want to hear everyone’s opinion. I don’t want biased opinions one way or the other. Just honest professional opinions please. Thanks.
April 8, 2009 at 11:16 pm #803789Anonymous
InactiveThe M21 Should not go at a right angle, whoever came up with these route options, needs to order a new brain and a pair of binoculars.
The green combined with My route on the previous page.
April 8, 2009 at 11:22 pm #803790Anonymous
InactiveLooks like the RGB routes are joke routes and they plan to stick to the black (much the same as the previous non-M20 linked scheme).
April 8, 2009 at 11:28 pm #803791Anonymous
InactiveWhy would you put, the N21 route options at right angles to the N20 and N21? Are the planner’s this incapable of carrying out proper route selections.?
My route is the red/green combined, with a better curve towards the M20, as It should be. The new interchange would be Half way between Croom and the present N20/N21 interchange. The black route is fine, but there is a waste of an interchange with two beside each other. The M20/M21 interchange should be a single motorway/motorway interchange on a greenfield location half way between Croom and Patrickswell. There is no real benifet putting the motorway interchange right beside the existing one. That’s a pure waste.
April 8, 2009 at 11:34 pm #803792Anonymous
InactiveHad to scribble on this, it looks better now. Had to colour out the sexy right angles.:rolleyes:
Can someone tell me who decided to put these route options in, they are laughable. Why would you build a pointless blue road snaking all over the place, and then join the N21 as if your going to head to foynes or something.:rolleyes:
April 9, 2009 at 12:21 am #803793Anonymous
InactiveWhichever route is chosen, the Adare bypass will commence at a new interchange with the proposed M20. Thankfully common sense appears to have prevailed and the two schemes will be constructed as part of the same contract. This is the reason why potential new routes for the bypass are being considered!
As we can see from the map, the new M20 follows the line of the existing Croom bypass, which will be widened from its current WS2 arrangement. Just before the end of the bypass it veers off on a new allignment, west of the existing N20 (where the green route begins). Once completed, the current N20 will be de-trunked to become a regional road (re-coloured in orange below).
The black and green routes are probably the most likely options. If I had to choose, I’d go for the original black route as it provides better access to the village. Option 4 (Blue) is a total non-runner!
April 9, 2009 at 9:07 pm #803794Anonymous
Inactive@Tuborg wrote:
Whichever route is chosen, the Adare bypass will commence at a new interchange with the proposed M20.
Tuborg, looking at the map above yes, but they also write above that options 2, 3 and 4 of tying them into the N20 at Fanningstown / Garranroe. No direct mention of the M20. :confused:
@Tuborg wrote:
As we can see from the map, the new M20 follows the line of the existing Croom bypass, which will be widened from its current WS2 arrangement.
Is this definite that the existing Croom bypass will become part of the M20?
I took another look in at the Cork National Road Office and found this image with various routes from the proposal stage. Interestingly enough they show only a half grade seperated junction at Fanningstown.
However the so called “emerging preferred route corridor†for the M20 between Charleville and Patrickswell shows the Croom Junction at the southern end of the Croom Bypass.
There is a need here for more detailed maps denoting motorway / junction types / primary roads from Charleville to Limerick and Adare to Limerick.
- Triangle: Half Grade Separated Junction
- Hexagon: Free Flow Junction
April 10, 2009 at 12:48 am #803795Anonymous
Inactive@CologneMike wrote:
Tuborg, looking at the map above yes, but they also write above that options 2, 3 and 4 of tying them into the N20 at Fanningstown / Garranroe. No direct mention of the M20. :confused:
I wouldn’t take any notice of that. Of the three alternative routes, its only the red option that dosent connect directly with the M20 corridor. For some reason it terminates on a substandard, undulating part of the current N20 that is littered with private accesses etc. It makes absolutely no sense and I’ve no idea why they included it!:confused:
Realistically, the route options map hints at what we already know, that the new M20/N21 interchange will be built just to the south west of the current Attyflin junction. You can basically see the parameters of it mapped out already. My take on it is attached below.
@CologneMike wrote:
Is this definite that the existing Croom bypass will become part of the M20?
The Croom bypass (see attached) opened in the Summer of 2001. It was built as a wide 2 lane road, a format that the NRA have since abandoned. There is certainly scope to widen the bypass to motorway although the existing bridges will be problematic.You’d squeeze a D2 carriageway under them but you would probably have to lose the hard shoulder! A similar scenario occurs on the recently upgraded Nenagh bypass.
@CologneMike wrote:
I took another look in at the Cork National Road Office and found this image with various routes from the proposal stage. Interestingly enough they show only a half grade seperated junction at Fanningstown.
However the so called “emerging preferred route corridor” for the M20 between Charleville and Patrickswell shows the Croom Junction at the southern end of the Croom Bypass.
There is a need here for more detailed maps denoting motorway / junction types / primary roads from Charleville to Limerick and Adare to Limerick.
The current Croom junction is a compact LILO (left in, left out) at the beginning of the bypass. Upgrading this would be troublesome enough so I wouldn’t be surprised if a new junction at another location is being considered.
I attended one of the public consultations back in October I think it was and I spoke briefly to an NRA official. He basically explained that detailed plans of junctions etc wont be available until the Motorway Order is published sometime during the Summer!:( I would be particularly interested to see the plans for the new M20/N21 interchange, Im guessing it will have limited access?
Croom bypass image courtesy of Chris 533976
April 21, 2009 at 4:40 pm #803796Anonymous
InactiveIn my opinion the green route is by far the best. It connects with both (old) N20 and future M20, and is shortest.
In order of optimality, the other three are:
– Red (separate junctions needed for M20 and N20)
– Black (too close to the town)
– Blue (far too circuitous route) - AuthorPosts
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