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  • #766786
    SeamusOG
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    I’m just trying to find out what happened to the project, after the initial support expressed by the City Council, the DDDA, and Guinness. Frank McDonald also seemed to approve of the scheme, in the articles earlier on in the thread. Anyone know?

    #766787
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    An Bord Pleanala Strategic Infrastructure Development (SID) Cases Week ended: 8th June 2007
    Local Authority: Dublin City Council
    Case reference: 29NPC0014
    Case Type: Private Development S.37B consultations (Pre-App Consultation)
    Description: Proposed Suas Cable Car Transport System to run from Heuston Gate area to Dublin Docklands providing a tourist facility along the River Liffey, Dublin City, Co. Dublin.
    Category: Strategic Infrastructure Dev
    Date lodged: 08-06-2007
    Applicant
    Type: Prosp. Applicant
    Name: The Liffey Cable Car Company Ltd.
    EIS required: No
    Status: Case is due to be decided by 26-10-2007

    #766788
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    ABP’s recent decision of 25 Oct 07

    PC0014 Dublin City Council
    Proposed Suas Cable Car Transport System to run from Heuston Gate area to Dublin Docklands providing a tourist facility along the River Liffey, Dublin City, Co. Dublin.
    Case reference: PL29N.PC0014
    Case type: Pre-Application Consultation
    Decision: Is not Strat. Infrast. Dev.
    Date Signed: 25/10/2007
    EIS required: No

    Parties
    The Liffey Cable Car Company Ltd. (Prosp. Applicant)
    Dublin City Council (Local Authority)

    History
    25/10/2007: Is not Strat. Infrast. Dev.
    08/06/2007: Lodged

    #766789
    CC105
    Participant

    Hopefully this one is a dead duck, lets get some buildings up before we start building items like this, it reminds me of Alton Towers in England

    #766790
    hutton
    Participant

    @CC105 wrote:

    Hopefully this one is a dead duck, lets get some buildings up before we start building items like this, it reminds me of Alton Towers in England

    It hasn’t gone away you know…

    From yesterday’s Irish Times –

    Cable car project to seek city council sanction

    THE DEVELOPER behind the €90 million “Suas” cable car project for the River Liffey is to seek planning permission from Dublin City Council for the scheme, after failing to secure fast-track planning approval from An Bord Pleanála.

    Details of the Suas, which would run from Heuston Station to the docklands and involve the construction of 80m (262ft) towers along its length, were yesterday presented to city councillors ahead of the submission of a planning application.

    Developer Barry Boland, formerly a planner with Dublin County Council, last year sought to have the Suas considered under fast-track planning rules which allow strategic infrastructural developments to be determined directly by An Bord Pleanála.

    However, the board decided the Suas did not qualify as strategic infrastructure, leaving Mr Boland no option but to apply to the city council.

    The Suas would be a tourist attraction rather than a public transport system, Mr Boland said.

    “We’re trying to create the equivalent of an Eiffel Tower, the London Eye or the Sydney Opera House – the sort of iconic thing that Dublin currently lacks.”

    Each cable car could carry 30 people and would run every 20 minutes. A round trip would cost €25. Two 80m towers – 20m taller than Liberty Hall – would be built at Marlborough Street and Wood Quay, and 60m towers would be located in the docklands and at Watling Street to support the cable. Mr Boland estimates that one in every eight visitors to Dublin would use the Suas.

    Several councillors said they were interested in the project, but stopped short of endorsing it.

    “My mind was quite closed to this project, and I would still have a certain scepticism, but my mind is perhaps a little less closed,” Labour councillor Emer Costello said.

    Sinn Féin’s Daithí Doolan said it was good to see a project that was “trying to do something with the Liffey”.

    Mr Boland said it was up to the planners to decide if it detracted from the skyline. He had wanted the cable cars to be in the shape of a pint of Guinness, but this violated advertising codes.

    Mr Boland said he would be ready to submit his planning application within weeks. However, because the city council owns some of the land on which the entrance to the Suas and the towers supporting the cable would be built, he needs to be given permission by the city manager to lodge an application.

    A Dublin City Council spokeswoman said Mr Boland would need to seek a pre-planning meeting with the council to detail how he intended to deal with certain issues including access.

    The Dublin Docklands Development Authority said it supported the project in principle, pending a decision from the council.

    The Irish Times

    #766791
    hutton
    Participant

    Mr Boland… had wanted the cable cars to be in the shape of a pint of Guinness, but this violated advertising codes.

    OMG 😮

    I am just after noticing this now. Who said that this was a pointless gimmick…

    #766792
    GrahamH
    Participant

    This cannot possibly go ahead. It will impinge on views of The Clarence.

    #766793
    hutton
    Participant

    @grahamh wrote:

    this Cannot Possibly Go Ahead. It Will Impinge On Views Of The Clarence.

    Lmao 😀

    #766794
    hutton
    Participant

    Sinn Féin’s Daithí Doolan said it was good to see a project that was “trying to do something with the Liffey”.

    I’ve a suggestion for Doolin; why doesn’t he organise the World’s 1st Liffey Swim With Concrete Flippers – he can be first in…

    #766795
    shweeney
    Participant

    25 lids a trip – guess it won’t be an attractive alternative to the Luas then.

    shame they’ve abandoned the pints of guinness idea though, that would’ve ruled!

    #766796
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    sombody make this go away …
    please !!!

    #766797
    Morlan
    Participant

    This and Gormley’s Pissing Man. How naff.

    😡

    #766798
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    @hutton wrote:

    Sinn Féin’s Daithí Doolan said it was good to see a project that was “trying to do something with the Liffey”.

    Presumably he meant ‘to the Liffey’ rather than ‘with the Liffey’? :rolleyes:

    I’d like to see something done with the Liffey- how about a good clean, a tidal barrier and a management plan to ensure bullshit concepts like this don’t make it out of the heads of maniacs?

    Nature abhors a vacuum- but why must it be left to the lunatic fringe to fill that void?

    #766799
    notjim
    Participant

    “the sort of iconic thing that Dublin lacks”

    oh this terrible desire for “a sort of iconic thing”; a new expression of a time-old insecurity.

    Isn’t it always the case that a good city, one with life and quality writ both large and small, finds itself assosiated with a “sort of iconic thing” as a sort of shorthand for what people love, the greatness comes first, not the icon. People love London for its great architectural set-pieces, its treasures, its playfulness and quirky off-beat fashion and its multi-layered, multi-historied, multi-cultural liveliness. Big Ben, the Eye and the funny red buses are a shorthand for that, a synecdoche; they are not the thing itself. Putting a giant ferris wheel, a big clock and funny buses in Milton Keynes wouldn’t make people love Milton Keynes instead.

    Lets make Dublin a great city and we’ll find the spire and the hapenny bridge and the current liffey will make fine a fine “sort of iconic thing” and, yes, perhaps others will come along, commisioning high quality public art, for its own sake is useful here, but lets not make icons our primary concern.

    #766800
    missarchi
    Participant

    @hutton wrote:

    The Suas would be a tourist attraction rather than a public transport system, Mr Boland said.

    “We’re trying to create the equivalent of an Eiffel Tower, the London Eye or the Sydney Opera House – the sort of iconic thing that Dublin currently lacks.”[/I]

    you can have both in one but not with a suas…
    the equivalent is the spire nuff said…

    I’m abit miffed about how he needs DCC City Manag permission because some of the site is on DCC land…
    Is this hinting to the fact if something is on public land you can apply for permission without DCC consent???

    #766801
    ihateawake
    Participant

    He had wanted the cable cars to be in the shape of a pint of Guinness, but this violated advertising codes.

    I cannot believe people like this exist in the world. Capitalist opportunism at its worst. …???….wtf

    #766802
    Sarsfield
    Participant

    “We’re trying to create the equivalent of an Eiffel Tower, the London Eye or the Sydney Opera House – the sort of iconic thing that Dublin currently lacks.”

    What he fails to note is that none of these were designed to be ‘iconic’. OK, the OPera House was designed to look good, but the first 2 were in fact built as temporary structures but became iconic and so got to stay.

    You just can’t sit down and design something iconic.

    This plan is bollox. Crass & tacky.

    Further thought – The Eiffel Tower & The London Eye were designed as temporary structures for major events. Maybe we could have a temporary Suas for the Eucharistic Congress in 2012. If Suas becomes iconic it can stay, otherwise it has to come down 🙂

    #766803
    djasmith
    Participant

    I’m only back from Sydney and anyone who has seen their public transport network will agree with me that its more than amazing. I’ve been to Melbourne a few times and thought theirs was good ’til I saw Sydneys. The best part of it is the monorail loop system. It would be more than perfect for dublin in terms of minimum disruption on the ground, minimum digging up roads etc, all electric, and it can follow the course of streets and buildings that are already there. All of the stations are built into shopping centres etc. With some planning they could be incorporated into new builds. Has it been considered before? much better than any cable cars

    #766804
    missarchi
    Participant

    monorail is a waste of money… trams are only good up to certain distances… Sydney has too many buses…

    #766805
    Conorworld
    Participant

    I read that it was going to be 25 euro return.
    Eh?
    Its doomed to end up in receivourship and totally out of context with the city.
    Its
    Just
    Wrong

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