Lansdowne Road Stadium
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you know it really is a joke, here is something of national interest and importance and a few gobs$£”tes are probably going to hold it up for years. Who knows what thrilling and convinving arguaments and lies and hype they will create. How many millions are they going to cost the state (i,e you and me) so they can congratulate each other on causing pain misery and expense for others! and sure if their campaign fails sure atleast theyll have tried! im sure theyll be complaining about the huge increase in capacity! when in fact it will be down 5000 for rugby but up 17000 for soccer, but still overall not a huge increase! theyll say it will overpower the area, isnt appropriate, is to modern for the area, theyll probably want it built it in mock red brick and it should have a slate roof! And it will probably be half the hight of liberty hall ladies and gentlmen, liberty hall! That collosal skysraper in town everything else here gets compared to when its over two stories! Have got to say it looks damn impressive, im more than impressed. I just get so wound up here when i think of all the waste of time and money and self interest that holds projects up. Just read earlier Lidl said they were basicly fed up with the amount of appeals etc holding up and blocking their attempts at expansion. And who makes most of these complaints? the competitiors they shouldnt even be entertained! RGDATA objected to a Lidl being set up in a retail park saying it contravened planning regualtions, funny that one of their member supermarkets has a supermarket in a nearby retail park! bloody hypocrits! Its about time that this crap was done away with and the interest of the majority were served! anyway was just thinking theyll probably be organising protests etc to the new stadium all 10 or so residents, why doesnt anyone who cares for Irish sport go down and organise their own protest and outvoice those backward pr*£”s! Their probably salivating at the thought of their own importance now that they get the chance to scupper such a vital piece if infrastructure!
The redevelopment plan for Lansdowne Road Stadium envisages the creation of a modern stadium, which, on completion, will have an all seated capacity of 50,000.
The 50,000 compares with the existing Lansdowne Road Stadium which has an all seated capacity, as required for competitive Soccer, of 36,000 and a mixed standing and seated capacity of 49,000 for Rugby. All seating in the new stadium will be under cover of a roof; however, the roof will not extend over the pitch. The planning application will be lodged by Christmas 2005. A one-year period has been allocated for due process on the planning application, during which time detail design and procurement will progress. Construction proper, depending on planning, is scheduled to commence in the first quarter of 2007 and to finish in the second quarter of 2009. The existing stadium will be available for matches during 2006.
RGDATA make my blood boil, arrrggghh…..just thinking about them……conspiring
Half of the ‘locals’ are people who will have moved into the area in the last decade, mostly into the apartment complexes near Ballsbridge. How anyone living there with an ounce of common sense can think that this beautiful piece of construction will detract from the area that currently has the world’s shittiest international football stadium. I hate going to Landsdowne now-the charm of the place wore off on me years ago-it’s old and decrepit.
@murphaph wrote:
RGDATA make my blood boil, arrrggghh…..just thinking about them……conspiring
I hate going to Landsdowne now-the charm of the place wore off on me years ago-it’s old and decrepit.I hate the place too, as well as the RDS – old and decrepit , and the Point Depot – old and decrepit glorified warehouse.
While I think the design is really good, I believe the site is too small. The existing site should be sold and then they should buy the former Irish Glass site just 5 mins walk away. There you will have plenty of room to build a stadium far bigger than 50,000 which I would consider small seeing how popular tickets would be for Ireland games.
Also the stadium on the Irish Glass site wouldn’t be right on top of the locals unlike Lansdowne and there would be spaces for parking etc too.there should have been some increase in capacity – even if it meant moving the stadium to another location (the docks, or the irish bottle plant site) – 65,000 would probably do it. It looks nice, but i’ll probably only ever see the outside of it.
the idea of having some terracing is an interesting one – schalke 04 in germany have a terraced section in their new ground which can be easily converted to seats when they play in european matches (where terracing is verboten). Given that LR is a joint rugbysoccer stadium maybe something similar could have been considered. There’s no ban on terracing for rugby matches, and it does add to the atmosphere – an opportunity missed by the IRFU there.
Interestingly one of the residents interviewed in the Times today makes the point that the new stadium will be like having Liberty Hall in her back garden. She pointed out that, with boundary changes, the stadium will be as little as 15m from her home.
I like the new stadium. Its a very clever design and very eyecatching. If I read right the ‘dip’ or undulating roof is a product of the desire among the architects to meet residents concerns about overshadowing. And the finished product willbe all the better and more distinctive for it. Frank McDonalds piece is quite informative. The picture on the front of the times doesnt sell it for a minute though….at least not to leafy D4 residents. But as one other woman pointed out the alternative to the stadium is residential development and observing the shenanigans at Jury’s that means high density high rise stuff. I think most people will be practical in the end although I think a 2 month planning process is a little too optimistic
The illustrations looks great.
How often are two games >50,000 taking place on the same day in Dublin?
Why are all large games not just played in Croke Park with some smaller GAA played in Lansdowne? Time to bury the hatchet and the childishness.According to press reports in January 2004 smaller GAA matchs would be played at new Lansdowne as it was’nt econoical to hold certain matches at Croke Park. I don’t know if policy has changed now.
Sounds strange, but stadium economics are mad, just look at Leinsters decision to rent the RDS rather then use Lansdowne as it works out more profitible.The idea of all large matchs being played at Croke Park maybe practical but from psycological problem of the IRFU and FAI having “borrow” the GAA ground for its big matchs.
Reading McDonald’s piece today reminded of how highly Croke Park is thought. of. I have never understood the admiration for this building. Sure enough it serves its purpose very well, but as regards contributing to the sky line or being astetically pleaseing on the outside I just see a load of concrete. Fine piece of strctural engineeing but can’t see the architure.
On the other hand I think the Lansdowne design looks very pleaseing.
I think the new Lansdowne Road proposal with its undulating curvy ”organic” like roof makes Croker look kinda dated.
After an intial positive reaction to the new proposed stadium i’m having some ‘aftershock’ of disappointment. The design lacks ambition. In order to pacify residents they’ve gone to the other extreme and produced in effect a three sided stadium. The north end will leak atmosphere from the stadium like a sieve. To an extent Croke Park has the same issue but at least there hill16 is of significant heigth and it is a terrace which mitigates against any loss of atmosphere.
There should also be a terrace in lansdowne for the rugby games. Swapping the present North terrace for a mickey mouse northern stand is a mistake.
Its unlikely the GAA will want to use this stadium – why would they pay the FAI/IRFU when they have an ample and superior stadium themselves. A half full croke park is better for the GAA than a full lansdowne they would have to pay for, At the same time the FAI/IRFU will constantly find themselves under pressure from supporters to use Croker for the big games.
Finally i can’t shake the conviction that Dublin doesn’t need two large expensive stadia. I am convinced that time would have been better spent coming to final agreement on the use of Croke Park by all three organisations. Thereby saving the tax payer millions and having increased access to all sports while also generating more revenue for the GAA (all of which is pumped into local communities).
I believe that Dublin needs 2 stadiums or even more (or why not develop a secondary multipurpose stadium outside Dublin) If Croke Park was solely used for all field games (Gaa Football, Hurling, Soccer, Rugby) it’s playing surface would greatly suffer. Also there are times too when major games in either of the 4 field sports clash. If ye look at Scotland which has about the same population as ourselves but yet only 2 field sports (Soccer, Rugby) it has an ample amount of decent stadia that are reasonably used. Glasgow has Celtic Park , Ibrox and Hampden Park and not forgetting Murrayfield in Edinburgh as well as Hibs and Hearts grounds
The Croke Park surface can handle the pressure – its been designed for it – the schedule this summer has been particularly punishing and there’s not a mark on the pitch. Going forward the GAA plan to have fewer matches in HQ and more in the provinces (due to lower attendances and not the surface) so its ability to hold more games would improve even further.
With all due respect to Scotland they don’t need all those stadia either, it has a population over 10 times that of Dublin, a soccer league that people actually go and watch and none of the stadia are of the quality of Croke Park or the proposed Lansdowne road (in fact many of them are falling down). Its not a good example and not one i’d follow.
….just to add the population of Scotland is about 5 million and is due to fall below that ….the population of the island of Ireland is 5.5 million and continuely growing. Lansdowne Road will be enthusiastically used when redeveloped just as the magnificant Croke Park is . It will not be a white elephent .
…..and Celtic Park, Ibrox, Murrayfield or Hampden Park are not falling down.
It will certainly be used and will make an operating profit; my own feeling is that they missed an excellent opportunity to turn the stadium 90 degrees onto the back pitches and sink it down by 30-50 metres into the ground as was done on a grand scale at the San Siro in Milan.
I wonder will Landsdowne be the one bypassed in the future for the major games if the GAA drop their ban on selected foreign codes?
@Thomond Park wrote:
sink it down by 30-50 metres into the ground as was done on a grand scale at the San Siro in Milan.
Turning it into a double-size olympic swimming pool by default? 🙂
Very high water table in the area- possibly prohibitively costly.i’m sure it’ll be used alright – but most of the time its being used Croke park will lie empty. nobody has managed to convince me that this is not a massive waste of taxpayers and sporting organisations money!
I got Scotland’s population wrong – i always thought it was 15 million! Anyway not only do we have Croke Park but also Pairc Ui Coaimhe, Semple Stadium, Thomond, Gaalic stadium etc etc – these are good big grounds too, the match of all but the very best in Scotland. Would there be any point in cardiff building two millennium domes?
@ctesiphon wrote:
Very high water table in the area- possibly prohibitively costly.
The general area has flooded twice in the last 20 years once in 1985 and the last time in 2002; on both occaisions Landsdowne Road was unaffected; although conversely it might get some action for the residents in the area who have had temporary private swimming pools. 😉
Wales is a different case to Ireland. There would be no point in building 2 Millennium Stadia in Cardiff, especially with the new Wembley Stadium due for completion next year. The Cardiff Stadium will be used less and it is in debt too. Wales has only a small population and 2 major field sports, not 4 like us. The English tax payer would not fork out this money.
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