February 5, 2002 at 9:32 pm #705205
I am desperately looking for someone who can possibly find old ‘photographs or documents relating to an old Georgian Mansion called ‘Kincora’ which stood at 369 Clontarf Rd, Dollymount until it was demolished in 1948. The house was originally called ‘Dollymount House’ and reputedly gave the area of Dollymount it’s name. The house is shown on William Duncan’s map of 1820. Any assistance possible would be very gratefully received.
February 6, 2002 at 5:58 pm #718117
Have you tried the Historical Picture Company? Its a shop located on Ormond Quay Lower, a few doors downriver from Capel Street bridge. They have an enormous selection of old photos for sale, and are very good for photos of old Dublin. All the images are filed by area.
There is another historical photo shop at the top of Capel Street near where it joins Bolton Street.
The architectural archive on Merrion square is always a good bet but ring first and check opening hours.
February 6, 2002 at 6:04 pm #718118
I recall seeing a photo of a large georgian portico which was all that was left of some large mansion in that general area. It was standing alone in a small grassed area in the middle of a large estate of semi-detached houses. It could be the house you are looking for.
It was a great photo, showing the total contrast in scale between one of the Great Houses and the housing then being built for the suburban masses.
The photo was part of an exhibition on old Dublin that i seen about 14 years ago in either Scoil Muire oin Parnell Square or the loreto on the Green. i can’t remember which, being only a wee lad at the time.
February 6, 2002 at 6:58 pm #718119
Many thanks for the information – I will try to find their address and see if they can help!
p.s It probably was Kincora (the large Georgian portico) – it’s a shame I couldn’t find that ‘photo – although it would probably be a sad one to have…?
February 6, 2002 at 7:55 pm #718120JamesParticipant
The Irish Architectural Archive in Fitzwilliam Square have images, surveys and data on most significant buildings.
Try them otherwise yo ucould try Bence Jones directory of Irish Country Houses.
February 6, 2002 at 8:05 pm #718121
Thanks but I have tried them in the past – they cannot help.
Where would I be able to find the directory? (I live in the U.K)
Thanks for your help so far – it is appreciated.
February 6, 2002 at 9:04 pm #718122
February 6, 2002 at 9:39 pm #718123traceParticipant
Mark Bence-Jones’s book, “Burke’s Guide to Country Houses: Volume 1 – Ireland,” published by Burke’s Peerage Ltd of London in 1978, is an alphabetical dictionary of Irish country houses that contains nearly 2,000 entries. There is no entry for Kincora or Dollymount House, presumably because it had been demolished before the book was published. Nor is there mention of either house in the five volumes of The Georgian Society Records, published in Dublin before the First World War.
February 7, 2002 at 9:29 am #718124MGParticipant
I’m surprised it isnt in Mark Bence-Jones’s book. Perhaps its not that large a house?
February 7, 2002 at 9:36 am #718125Paul ClerkinKeymaster
I have the reprint of Bence-Jones’ book, and it has lots of houses of many sizes that are long gone, so I doubt that is the reason its not included.
I’m surprised the IAA has nothing – could be a sign that you have some details wrong.
IUXTA, thats Kenure Park, Rush of which only the massive portico remains as the remainder was demolished around 1978. It is now surrounded by housing estate. I’ve seen that photo fairly often.
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February 7, 2002 at 10:29 am #718126JasParticipant
Maybe its not really a large house, just a semi-detached Georgian villa. Or the name was changed. This could happen when ownership changed.
February 7, 2002 at 2:45 pm #718127
Thanks for info Paul and sorry mike that it’s of no use for you.
You could also try the link below, the site has links to various online versions of old guide books and histories of dublin city and county as well as links to historic maps. it may help. The “neighbourhood of Dublin link” has a section on the clontarf, bull island area and dollymount and mentions the house you are looking for in relation to an 1820 map ad up until 1836. Here is the link.
And the link to the chapter on Dollymount etc. http://indigo.ie/~kfinlay/Neighbourhood/chapter24.html
February 7, 2002 at 3:20 pm #718128JasParticipant
A search through Google gives us:
The Dollymount House, 366 Clontarf Road – well know bar which I assume is named after the original house. The numbers are very close though.
And Mike’s original query which gives us a name to work with.
“Mike Novakovic, of Great Britain (E-mail:- email@example.com) wrote:- I am trying to trace a relative called ‘Bobby’ King who was either an Uncle or Cousin of my grandfather Michael King who lived in Dublin. Bobby (Robert?) King was supposedly over 100 years old when he died (sometime within the last 10 years) and was supposed to have fought in the Boer-War and the First World-War where he was gassed and was told that he didn’t have long to live due to an enlarged heart caused by the gas. My great-grandfather (Michael’s father) Patrick King was supposedly from Sligo but I can find no trace of him there. My great-grandfather and his wife Alice – they lived in a large house called ‘Kincora’ which apparently was originally called ‘Dollymount-House’ and gave the area it’s name! “
February 8, 2002 at 9:51 am #718129
Strange that the name “King” has come into this because that name is mentioned in the section of the website link that i gave previously. Its reproduced here although it may be of no relevence. However, a George King who is mentioned as the proprietor of the village and manor. Perhaps the manor refers to the house called Dollymount House or Kincora.
Anyway Mike, here is the text;
“In 1641 Luke Netterville and some of his adherents having seized and plundered a vessel which lay at Clontarf, the Earl of Ormonde was instructed to take retaliatory measures against them. He accordingly despatched Sir Charles Coote with some troops to the neighbourhood, where they burnt a considerable portion of the village, destroyed all the boats they could find, and burnt the house of Mr. George King, proprietor of the village and manor. The latter act was all the more remarkable inasmuch as Mr. King had been invited into Dublin but the day before by the Government, from whom he had received an assurance that he might safely go there “without danger of any trouble or stay whatsoever.” It was, however, alleged, that most of the plundered vessel’s cargo was found in his house, and, true or untrue, this charge turned out a serious one for him, as he was immediately afterwards attainted, and his estates confiscated.”
February 9, 2002 at 10:30 am #718130
Many thanks to all who have commented and searched to help me in my quest. I include here the contents of an emial I received on the 15/11/99 from a very helpful man called Colm O’Riordan at the Irish Architectural Archive – it may jog someone’s memory?
Thank you for your query regarding Kincora/Dollymount House.
I am afraid that we have little direct information on either a Kincora house or a Dollymount House. According to Weston St. John Joyce’s The Neighbourhood of Dublin, (Dublin 1912, p. 252), ‘The name Dollymount would seem to have originated with a house bearing that title which stood on or adjoining the site of Sea Park in Mount Prospect Avenue, and which is shown in Duncan’s Map (William Duncan’s Map of the County of Dublin, 1821) of 1820 (sic). “Dollymount House” appears in the Dublin Directory up to 1836 after which it disappears, doubtless having been re-named, and in 1838 the name appears for the first time as that of a district…’
Dollymount House does appear under the heading Dollymount in the suburbs section of the street index in the Dublin Almanac of 1847, with Edward Carolin, also with an address in Thomas Street, listed as resident. However, it does not appear in the same section of the Post Office Directory of 1853.
Unfortunately, aside from these references and Duncan’s map, I can find neither Dollymount nor Sea View in any of the general sources to hand here in the Archive, nor does Kincora appear in any of them. However, the Director of the Archive, Mr David Griffin, informs me that he was in Kincora House many years ago. He describes it as a house of circa 1840, with a single story Doric portico and a particularly fine hall, and adds that the house itself was demolished in the late sixties of seventies. It was located on Kincora Road, Clontarf.
I am sorry that nothing further has come to light.
February 9, 2002 at 10:41 am #718131
In looking through my old emails on the subject of Kincora/Dollymount House, I have just read one from a man called Brian Tannam who did some investigations in the area for me around early 2000. Brian took some ‘photos of the site as it is now and asked a few questions of locals. One of the local elderly ladies in the area told Brian that “Kincora House was once the Dower House of Bishop Plunkett”. So if anyone has any suggestions on that score it would be very helpful?
thanks for everyone’s help so far
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