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      E_S
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      Dublin 5 Malahide Road.
      Sole practitioner architect offers unpaid work experience to architecture student or graduate. Would suit person wishing to gain first professional experience with a view to building a portfolio of work and experience to enable them to secure paid employment in the future.
      The ideal candidate would be a Part 1, or Part 2 Student or graduate in architecture. RIAI member- owned practice, experience would be suitable for Part 3 purposes. Practice based in small office to rear of architect’s home. Very pleasant work environment; could provide mobile phone, lunches, and pay some expenses.
      This is a new practice started in 2008 and currently has the following projects: domestic house extensions at design stage, residential development of bespoke houses at pre planning stage, feasibility studies of development land, ad-hoc services for a property management company which include small works and maintenance.
      In addition, as a new practice, work would include setting up the technical library, sourcing a samples library, marketing and preparing website content. Architectural competitions will also be entered when resources allow.
      Basic knowledge of Auto Cad, photo-shop, Google Sketchup, MS Office Etc. would be preferred, and excellent computer literacy is essential. The office has been set up according to sound management principles, and uses the RIAI Good Practice Guide as a quality management system.
      Due to current circumstances in the economy, fees are very low at the moment, and a paid position cannot be offered at this time, however, the projects in the office present a good opportunity for exposure to design in practice and the Planning process; the fact that the practice is still in the early stages of its development mean that this could provide an excellent grounding in professional practice for a person in need of professional experience, as they will see many of the office systems being established and gain exposure to all aspects of the business.
      This position would be ideal for an architecture student or graduate based in North Dublin, and hours can be made to accommodate other work, educational or other commitments. I hope to hear from an enthusiastic young architect that I can work with to our mutual professional advantage.

      Found this on gumtree at http://www.gumtree.ie/dublin/13/41414913.html

      Just wondering, would any part 1 or part 2 architects consider taking this?

    • #808153
      Anonymous
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      If I was still a student or had just graduated, I would consider it alright, just to get a taste of the working experience (and get something on my CV), but there’s no way I’d do it for more than a few months.. I suppose there’s the possibility that the office’s output picks up in the near future and it turns into a paying position.

    • #808154
      Anonymous
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      did my year out in the late eighties. We were faced with the stark possibility of failing the course because we couldn’t find work and the university was having to put emergency measures into place to try and deal with this. In the end myself and 4 others worked for expenses (travel & lunch – although they would spot us a few pints on Friday night – they were only 99p each) with some higher quality architect firms in order to better ourselves rather than work in burger king. Looking back, I think it was a good decision

    • #808155
      Anonymous
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      In the late 80’s, I found working in a bar more rewarding than an architects office for free (took me three months to realise this, oh and the fact that the boss had just bought a new car) :confused:

      The advert demands quite a lot, I hope the rewards are in the same league.

    • #808156
      Anonymous
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      @parka wrote:

      In the late 80’s, I found working in a bar more rewarding than an architects office for free (took me three months to realise this, oh and the fact that the boss had just bought a new car) :confused:

      The advert demands quite a lot, I hope the rewards are in the same league.

      I was earning more working in a pub while studying than practising!~ for the first year

    • #808157
      Anonymous
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      “The office has been set up according to sound management principles”

      LOL!!

    • #808158
      Anonymous
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      @parka wrote:

      In the late 80’s, I found working in a bar more rewarding than an architects office for free (took me three months to realise this, oh and the fact that the boss had just bought a new car) :confused:

      The advert demands quite a lot, I hope the rewards are in the same league.

      I think the fact that I realised then that architecture doesn’t equal money stood me in good stead for the next 30 years. That’s the crucial decision to make re the future – this isn’t the first or last recession and students need to realise that the rewards handed to them by their parents over the last 10 years are gone and aint coming back any time soon. I wouldn’t take the 30 years back but if I do lose the job this time around it will be hard to find the motivation to return

    • #808159
      Anonymous
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      I don’t think it’s on personally looking for free labour. If it’s not the most transparent arrangement possible- e.g. let the candidate see your books/accounts and it is demonstrated you can’t afford to pay salary then it is exploitation plain and simple. What’s wrong with offering a small % of the fee on completion? Work must have tangible value, not just the promise of value in the future. There are a number of health, safety and personal indemnity issues surely to having an unpaid employee in a place of work? If the guy can’t afford to throw the student a ton a week for a few weekend gargles and lunch then he should do it himself.

      edit: If it’s working for nothing you want students are welcome to come round my gaff and knock up plans for a well executed kitchen/dining extension, c.30sqm with plenty of glass brick and a utility room. All the tea you can drink and unlimited fawning attention from a very affectionate bull terrier!!!

    • #808160
      Anonymous
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      there was some thing on rte a few days ago saying the average architects salary is 65k you can still listen too it…
      I couldn’t help but laugh… does that include unemployed ones?
      I don’t know how you can even count anyone above 80k…

      Anyway you would have to assume its in good faith…
      but you would want all your bases covered…
      Remind’s me of a chemist job that wanted a hair dresser in the basement (with a head massage and young men working for her) would not sign an agreement and wanted me to work in good faith…

      the property prices are still rising here:mad: but job ads down 50%
      In ireland would architects be better of if everything was handled throgh the RIAI? wages invoices ect?

    • #808161
      Anonymous
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      Maybe I’m wrong but the perception was that partners were on E300k plus a year in the big practices and that would drive the average salary way up.

    • #808162
      Anonymous
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      I wonder how that job worked out and did anybody take it?

      I see this from RIBA today:

      RIBA President Ruth Reed has expressed the institute’s serious concern about reports of anxious architecture students being asked by practices to undertake fee-earning work for nothing as the recession puts the squeeze on the established placements system.

      The worsening state of affairs has prompted Reed to remind practices that however challenging the employment situation has become, they should not be exploiting it with unpaid ‘internships’.

      In the case of RIBA chartered practices, such actions are not only objectionable but run counter to requirements for practices to adopt the principles of the RIBA employment policy.

    • #808163
      Anonymous
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      Anyone know what the RIAI official stance is on “free internships” – I was at breakfast seminar where the subject was brought up and the visiting employment-specialist solicitor said that everything was hunky dory so long as there was an educational agreement in place with the employee’s university.

      When I was a student I was more than happy to work for free in order to flesh out my cv, if it had been illegal and the firms had not taken me on I would not have gotten into practices later on in my career.

    • #808164
      Anonymous
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      @E_S wrote:


      Dublin 5 Malahide Road.
      Sole practitioner architect offers unpaid work experience to architecture student or graduate. Would suit person wishing to gain first professional experience with a view to building a portfolio of work and experience to enable them to secure paid employment in the future.
      The ideal candidate would be a Part 1, or Part 2 Student or graduate in architecture. RIAI member- owned practice, experience would be suitable for Part 3 purposes. Practice based in small office to rear of architect’s home. Very pleasant work environment; could provide mobile phone, lunches, and pay some expenses.
      This is a new practice started in 2008 and currently has the following projects: domestic house extensions at design stage, residential development of bespoke houses at pre planning stage, feasibility studies of development land, ad-hoc services for a property management company which include small works and maintenance.
      In addition, as a new practice, work would include setting up the technical library, sourcing a samples library, marketing and preparing website content. Architectural competitions will also be entered when resources allow.
      Basic knowledge of Auto Cad, photo-shop, Google Sketchup, MS Office Etc. would be preferred, and excellent computer literacy is essential. The office has been set up according to sound management principles, and uses the RIAI Good Practice Guide as a quality management system.
      Due to current circumstances in the economy, fees are very low at the moment, and a paid position cannot be offered at this time, however, the projects in the office present a good opportunity for exposure to design in practice and the Planning process; the fact that the practice is still in the early stages of its development mean that this could provide an excellent grounding in professional practice for a person in need of professional experience, as they will see many of the office systems being established and gain exposure to all aspects of the business.
      This position would be ideal for an architecture student or graduate based in North Dublin, and hours can be made to accommodate other work, educational or other commitments. I hope to hear from an enthusiastic young architect that I can work with to our mutual professional advantage.

      Found this on gumtree at http://www.gumtree.ie/dublin/13/41414913.html

      Just wondering, would any part 1 or part 2 architects consider taking this?

      Don’t know about the rest of you lads & girls, but “unpaid labour” somehow spanks of modern day slavery in my books…

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