Irelands Ten Worst Roundabouts
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It is the N4 at Palmerstown, it works well sometimes but at peak times it along with Blanchardstown and the Red Cow none of them have the capicity to deal with the traffic loads.
Why they didn’t put the N4 over the roundabout unhindered by roundabouts or traffic lights I’ll never know.
But they didn’t do Anything right with that road. The next time you head south from that intersection look at the cutting as you go down onto the M50. You will see one of the greatest aggregates discoveries in Irish history, the 500 or so truck loads of ‘discovered stone’ that didn’t show up on the geo-survey held the project up another 6 months.
yea..i know that section…the great irish blunders… my mother has said to me ( only once i have to admit as she got reprimanded) that we can’t run a country and we should hand it back to the queen and apoligise for the state that it’s in.
Thats the last thing we need to import another monarchy would be a disaster. Unless Frank McDonald wants the job!!
Kick out the existing Queen Harney, Make Osama McDowell King PD and Paisleys buddy Cowen General of the soldiers of destiny.
They wouldn’t stand for half arse measures like roundabouts, and with McDowell the new roads would be built by our crims at a fraction of the cost of the current cost
from the indo today!!!!!!!!
Costs pile up as court stalls M50 plan again
Friday January 30th 2004TAXPAYERS face an extra bill of €1m-a-month after the M50 motorway project at Carrickmines was halted again following yesterday’s High Court decision.
The Government is to rush through emergency legislation to complete the project after the court ruled it had acted beyond its powers.
But for every month the project is now delayed taxpayers will have to pay an extra €1m as builders cannot move onto the site, the National Roads Authority revealed.
There are 500 workers and contractors waiting to move on to the site and the bulk of the extra costs will go in salaries and huge overheads.
The court yesterday overturned Environment Minister Martin Cullen’s consent for works involving the destruction or removal of medieval remains at Carrickmines Castle.
The consent meant that at long last, after years of objections, work could finally get under way at the site.
But the court overturned government orders of 1996 and 2002 which changed the system allowing work which could destroy national monuments.
The decision means the Government will now have to draw up new legislation to complete the motorway – or face having an M50 motorway with a hole in the middle at Carrickmines.
They could bring in emergency legislation relatively quickly but it would be open to renewed challenge. A more detailed set of laws could take up to nine months.
NRA spokesman Michael Egan said he hoped the Government would press ahead with the necessary legislation needed to finish the South Eastern Motorway.
Eamon O’Hare, transportation officer with Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Co Council, said he hoped the Government would do whatever was necessary to empower them to get on to the site and complete the project.
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown Chamber of Commerce last night called for emergency legislation to solve the issue.
Chamber president Michael Johnson said: “This is a national issue. We must have legislation in place to enable the national strategic infrastructure projects obtain planning permission within a reasonable timeframe.”
He said the motorway had been the subject of “far too many delays”.
The Green Party welcomed the decision which party heritage spokesman Ciaran Cuffe said meant that the minister could not “act as judge and jury” for Carrickmines Castle.
“For the last year and a half we have been calling on Mr Cullen to bend the road and save the castle. His intransigence is causing delays and leading to an increase in costs. A compromise could still save much more of the castle and allow the road to be built.”
The NRA made a hash of this like they did with the rest of the M50. They were advised at a very early stage to select any or all of the alternative routes.
The fact that the minister acted outside the provisions of the national monuments acts is just typical of the lack of understanding he has of a complicated brief like minister for environment.
If he read the law he would have known two years ago to pass the necessary legislation, no doubt he was too worried by the smoking ban to concentrate on his own ministry.
This is not the last problem the NRA has delivered, the N4 entering Galway is going to be tied up for years. Because it is to be routed through an SAC, and the N8 in Laois because it is going to obliterate a world unique habitat these are next.
It is time that the NRA and DOE listen and jettison the streamroller approach to European directives on Heritage and habitats.
Because you and I are paying for it both in terms of delays and higher taxes.
Unless Cullen and the NRA go expect more latin american development timetables.
They are building a bridge over the river Nore at Durrow that will eliminate a unique freshwater mussell. That is unique to one section of this river.
The NRA were advised two years ago to find a different alignment for the road but buried their heads in the sand.
a freshwater mussel!!!!! oh! panic…lets save that…. christ that’s brutal… a poxy mussel is stopping development…. similiar to a snail stopping a housing project in clare…. FUCK SAKE PEOPLE…. some perspective…
I can’t say that I know anything about mussels myself. But it is important that unique species are protected.
If there was one route only for this motorway it would be different but in reality there are many possible routings. Such as following the Dublin-Cork rail line which would yield minimum interference with existing farms as the railway is already a barrier. Why create a second one?
If the NRA push this the EU will intervene just like they did at Kildare and we all know how many years that took.
Real world decisions involve careful risk management practices, such as calculating the existence of known EU directives and regulations. It would have been prudent to choose a route that didn’t involve EU interventions.
But the NRA have decided that they are right just like at the Red Cow, where they ignored the LUAS, the original Westlink and all the other series errors they have tried to cut corners on.
Despite receiving contrary professional advice
professioinal advice from whom? and fair enough they should know eu directives.. but for just a poxy mussel then nope i can’t agree with that…life will survive possibly 10 metres away….
I don’t know who exactly but I would suspect a zoologist.
Unique species are important, I am sure that many endangered and extinct species could make a great contribution if in greater numbers.
It is not the road that was objected to, merely one potential routing. They should have followed the precedent set on the Dublin-Dundalk motorway and followed the alignment of the railway.
Motorways are essential and no chances whatsoever should have been taken on the principal road in the country.
But we have a very gungho NRA
no argument there but i still think that to stop their preferred route with an excuse like a mussel is stupid. and in greater numbers..well we might kill them and eat them… and following rail is a good idea(if it’s straight) as it is a transport corridor anyway… and any mussels would have been killed years ago..
I agree that if were the only route it would be ridiculous in the extreme.
But there are other benifits to the rail alignment route such as running a spur motorway from close to Tipp town to Limerick which is only 25 miles and a lot shorter than the 70 miles from Portlaoise to Limerick.
That is 45 miles at how much per mile? or 6 NRA length by-passes shorter. :confused:
is there not more up to date renderings of the hp scheme. surely there is, it seems from an early stage of the competition?.
I think Liebskind is boring..more of the same!. 😮That must be the best cross posting ever.
What about Liebskind, SOM and HP to join up with Calatrava to design bridges over the M50 at the N3 + N4 + N7?
Is this relevant?
PDF file, right click and select ‘Save target as’.
http://laedc.info/pdf/Wal-Mart_study.pdf
The consulting practice of the Los Angeles County Economic Development Corporation (LAEDC) was commissioned by Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. to conduct an even-handed assessment of the potential impact of its Supercenters on Southern California.
The director of McConnels advertising John….
was asked by Ford motor to import a US campaign of linking regional sales to the creation of playgrounds in rundown neighbourhoods. He told them it was a complete non-starter that the Irish wouldn’t buy into it.I’d love to see Walmart try that line at an ABP oral hearing they’d be laughed right out of the Gresham.
I think the retail planning guidelines were designed to prevent an extension of the edge-city sprawl that is plaugeing this city.
It is that sprawled dev pattern with even bars on industrial parks such as west that are rendering key national infrastructure unworkable.
Those who hope that suburbia is finally growing up and starting to behave itself often cite this much-quoted line: “Edge cities mean that density is back,†taken from Joel Garreau’s 1991 book Edge City: Life on the New Frontier. Many smart growth proponents who call for higher-density, mixed-use suburbs are especially invested in the idea that maturing edge cities represent a potentially promising future. The reality, however, is that sprawl is back—or, more accurately, that it never went away.
Never heard of that book before.
Quote: “Many smart growth proponents who call for higher-density, mixed-use suburbs are especially invested in the idea that maturing edge cities represent a potentially promising future.”
I agree Blackrock, Dunlaoire, Tallaght town Centre, Dundrum Village.
Where the existing services are and where existing populations reside.
But the unfortunate reality is that most of the development occured outside these ‘maturing edge centres’ i.e. places that had their own radial transport networks and were well connected in terms of public transport provision. Places that offered ideal brownfield sites upon which to go higher density without straining the existing infrastructure.
My top five examples of developments that proported those theories fraudulently
1. Parkwest
2. Liffey Valley
3. Central Park
4. Sandyford
5. The Red CowAs I have said before Dallas works because they followed the model to the letter, where does everyone think the Citywest model came from? It’s not sustainable in eco-terms but infrastructurally it has been very well behaved.
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