Interconnector aka DART underground
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I doubt that moving the tunnel portals to Inchicore will be cheaper, but it is the sensible option. Also, a station at Inchicore is very necessary, as it’s a mature dense inner suburb – the old Cherry Orchard station was not that busy, but that’s because it only had an infrequent service as far as Heuston. A DART to the city centre would be a lot more attractive.
Sounds good…
Have CIE already tendered to consortium’s? or are they taking a different approach…
one exit for st stephens green now… hmmm
o Following the decision to relocate the entrances to the Metro North/Dart Underground common concourse in Saint Stephens Green North the access strategy was re-examined and the Kildare Street Entrance removed. This will significantly reduce the impact on Saint Stephens Green during construction without compromising accessibility.
– Alignment and station location at Pearse changed
o This will ensure that there is no requirement to acquire a small number of housing units adjacent to Pearse, and avoid any impact on Merrion Square.
Inchicore/Heuston: Monday 20th April, 17.00-20.00, Hilton Hotel, Kilmainham.
Christchurch: Thursday 23rd April, 17.00-20.00, Central Hotel, Exchequer St.
Docklands: Monday 27th April, 17.00-20.00, Sean O’Casey Community Centre, St Mary’s Road, East Wall, Dublin 3.
St Stephen’s Green/Pearse: Thursday 30th April, 17.00-20.00, Alexander Hotel, Fenian St, off Merrion Square, Dublin 2.
Story on Interconnector & Metro from yesterday’s budget coverage
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2009/0408/1224244216569.html
“Mr Dempsey said it had not been possible to cut the national roads capital budget as it was almost entirely assigned to road projects that were under way.
Nor did he announce cuts to the big public transport rail projects, the Dart interconnector or the Metro North, because neither requires funding, other than for planning purposes, this year.
Asked if major budget difficulties would emerge in a few years when the big projects were ready to go to construction, Mr Dempsey said the Government was looking at whether the National Treasury Management Agency could find ways of “keeping these off the balance sheetsâ€.
He cited the Dart interconnector and Metro North, which as public-private partnerships might not require funds upfront. While there might be comparatively small preliminary costs, “once the contractors move in, we don’t have any liability until it is builtâ€.
@cgcsb wrote:
I read somewhere that both future DART lines are planned to have double decker trains. I wonder can the tunnel accomidate this or will it be a case of the port tunnel i.e. the trucks for which it was intended can’t fit in
Just wondering where you read that there may be double decker DART trains in the future?
It would be pretty cool if it’s true:cool:
Just found this map of the rail network to be on.
http://www.railusers.ie/images/2005_p11railplan.jpg
It seems to be from a couple of years back which would explain the DART to airport and the stops on MN as well as the line which appears to be the phoenix park tunnel.Interesting……….
.I think that’s a self made map, not an IE one.
Here is IE’s latest plans.
@EIA340600 wrote:
Just wondering where you read that there may be double decker DART trains in the future?
It would be pretty cool if it’s true:cool:
It’s been such a long time, I’m afraid I can’t remember. With the plans I see now, they are clearly using single deck trains. Evidently IÉ doesn’t think the double deckers are worth the hastle.
@EIA340600 wrote:
Just wondering where you read that there may be double decker DART trains in the future?
It would be pretty cool if it’s true:cool:
Is there enough clearance under the overhead lines? The older bridges?
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Is there enough clearance under the overhead lines? The older bridges?
obviously not. but very difficult to anticipate such………….
@cgcsb wrote:
It’s been such a long time, I’m afraid I can’t remember. With the plans I see now, they are clearly using single deck trains. Evidently IÉ doesn’t think the double deckers are worth the hastle.
problem with double deckers they normally only have 2 sets of doors???
and they reduce frequency… increase dwell times?@missarchi wrote:
problem with double deckers they normally only have 2 sets of doors???
and they reduce frequency… increase dwell times?why would they only have two sets of doors? I’ve used the RER in Paris quite frequently, there are plenty of doors. I’ve never sat down and counted them though
@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Is there enough clearance under the overhead lines? The older bridges?
The RER trains in Paris are actually not that much bigger than single deck ones because the floor is alot lower, two steps down from the platform and each deck is about 6.5foot high. There is a mezzanine area in the train onfront of each door that is normally where the taller gentlemen such as myself stand. Hitting your head can be very embarassing
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/NC0006.htm
NC0006: ()
Dublin City Council
Proposed underground DART line between Inchicore and the Docklands (via Heuston Station), Dublin.
Case reference: PL29N.NC0006
Case type: Railway Ord. – Consultation
Status: Consultancy has yet to be concluded
Parties* Iarnród Eireann (Prospective Appl)
* Dublin City Council (Local Authority) (Active)
History
* 14/04/2009: Lodged
I don’t think double decker trains are a very good option, for a public transport system like this.
A much better option would be to have trains with one long articulated carriage, like a bendy bus, as found in paris, so as to maximise the amount of standing area in the length of train, while still remaining single decker.
I don’t think double decker trains are a very good option, for a public transport system like this.
The DART line using the interconnector will start in Drogheda and stop in Hazlehatch. The Hazlehatch end will eventually be extended to Kildare Town (Newbridge, Naas/Salins) . I think Double Decker (DD) trains would be ideal for a Drogheda to Kildare “Commuter” type service.
But I dont think that DD trains would be suitable for the other DART line Maynooth to Greystones
@weehamster wrote:
The DART line using the interconnector will start in Drogheda and stop in Hazlehatch. The Hazlehatch end will eventually be extended to Kildare Town (Newbridge, Naas/Salins) . I think Double Decker (DD) trains would be ideal for a Drogheda to Kildare “Commuter” type service.
But I dont think that DD trains would be suitable for the other DART line Maynooth to Greystones
The DART will not run to Drogheda, It will terminate service in Balbriggan. With a possible future extension to Drogheda. What I’m wondering is can the tunnel accomidate DD trains. It would be wise for CIE to construct the tunnel with this in mind just to keep their future options for capacity enhancement open. Why wouldn’t the Maynooth to Graystones line be able to accom DD trains? it’s entirely overground
@cgcsb wrote:
The DART will not run to Drogheda, It will terminate service in Balbriggan. With a possible future extension to Drogheda. What I’m wondering is can the tunnel accomidate DD trains. It would be wise for CIE to construct the tunnel with this in mind just to keep their future options for capacity enhancement open. Why wouldn’t the Maynooth to Graystones line be able to accom DD trains? it’s entirely overground
I thought that was their plan. DD trains.
So did I, can’t remember where I read it though, do you? but the new DART carriages that have been ordered are of the single deck variety and in the new T21 video, it appears to be a single deck dart transversing the tunnel
The plan has changed (back again) and the DART is to run to Drogheda. The cost of building extra platforms and sidings to turn Ballbriggan into a terminus allowing turn-back worked out to almost negate the the savings made by not electrifying the bit between Balbriggan and Drogheda. It a much better idea as they can replace the Diesel commuter trains completely with electric on that line instead of having a mix of DART, Diesel commuter and intercity. They’ve also modified the Hueston end of the plan; the tunnel is now to run to Inchicore and the Heuston DART underground platforms will be under the main station instead of being under Guinesses.
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