How well do you know Dublin?
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@gunter wrote:
Under sub-section 14, ‘admitted that he hasn’t a clue’
The warehouse (in the original question) is not in the docklands, but your strange directionless wanderings appear to have take you within spitting distance, at one point.
Wanderings, yes, But strange? Directionless? Well I never! As WG Sebald said, when you watch a dog exploring a field his path seems completely random, but he invariably finds what he was looking for. (Which I didn’t, agreed, but the point stands, I hope.)
Fair enough, sub-section 14 it is. I still think it’s in the general west/north-west inner city, although I suppose the wider Newmarket area can’t be discounted (both of which were on my route- nice one on reading the map too, by the way, others have been baffled by it).
If gunter’s is A, mine are B and C.
B is not on Westland / Pearse.
B & C are less than 5 minutes apart on foot.Gotta dash- I’m late, I’m late, for a very important date!
The only sections of ctesiphon’s cycle route that could possibly yield photographs B and C are Donore Ave. (something to the rear of the Meath Hospital), or possibly the South Citcular Road, but the path is too narrow and the stonework is too clean for the boundary wall (C) to be at Griffith Barracks (the bit up at that awful school).
For anyone still interested in finding the three storey warehouse (A), it is located no more that 30m away from ctesiphon’s cycle route, near another educational establishment of dubious merit.
Notjim`s Ballymun Road pics are particularly poingniant for me.
I grew up in Glasnevin Village,which commenced at the old Wooden Church and ended at the Junction with Ballymun Rd/Old Finglas Rd where the Holy Faith Convent gates still stand today.
The house and lands standing so bleakly today was home to a family called Nolan one of whom I used to still see around the place up to perhaps 5 years ago.
He was a committed Heinkel Scooter rider in the days when such a machine stood head and shoulders above (literally) the modern ideal of a “Scooter”The Nolans were indeed agricultural as were many Glasnevin inhabitants right up until the mid 1980`s.
I can remember cattle being driven up that lane to those ubiqitous “cow sheds” as well.
This entire area is still dotted with the remnants of a bygone Dublin which in reality is only a blink away.Mention of the Albert College for example reminds me that I knew it as a functioning agricultural college and Glasnevin village itself regularly saw large flocks of sheep driven to it from Finglas Bridge via Old Finglas Road to graze on the Bon Secour Hospital grounds the entire process overseen by the Shepherd and his dogs !!!
I am particularly interested in any information about the former occupant of the Met Office Pyramid site.
This was,in my childhood,Marlborough House a remand home for juveniles progressing through the Courts system.
I only recently discovered that prior to the foundation of the State it was known as Marlborough Barracks and housed a detachment of the British Army.
There is a photo on the 1911 census website which is where I first became aware of its former history.As an aside,its worth pointing out that both of the Pyramidical structures at each end of Glasnevin Village suffered from serious defects almost from construction,both Our Lady of Dolours church and the Met Office had large scale remedial work carried out to their structures very early in their existance.
All the more remarkable as they both replaced elderly structures which were “Supposed” to be time expired !
Great thread all round so 🙂
Notjim`s Ballymun Road pics are particularly poingniant for me.
I grew up in Glasnevin Village,which commenced at the old Wooden Church and ended at the Junction with Ballymun Rd/Old Finglas Rd where the Holy Faith Convent gates still stand today.
The house and lands standing so bleakly today was home to a family called Nolan one of whom I used to still see around the place up to perhaps 5 years ago.
He was a committed Heinkel Scooter rider in the days when such a machine stood head and shoulders above (literally) the modern ideal of a “Scooter”The Nolans were indeed agricultural as were many Glasnevin inhabitants right up until the mid 1980`s.
I can remember cattle being driven up that lane to those ubiqitous “cow sheds” as well.
This entire area is still dotted with the remnants of a bygone Dublin which in reality is only a blink away.Mention of the Albert College for example reminds me that I knew it as a functioning agricultural college and Glasnevin village itself regularly saw large flocks of sheep driven to it from Finglas Bridge via Old Finglas Road to graze on the Bon Secour Hospital grounds the entire process overseen by the Shepherd and his dogs !!!
I am particularly interested in any information about the former occupant of the Met Office Pyramid site.
This was,in my childhood,Marlborough House a remand home for juveniles progressing through the Courts system.
I only recently discovered that prior to the foundation of the State it was known as Marlborough Barracks and housed a detachment of the British Army.
There is a photo on the 1911 census website which is where I first became aware of its former history.As an aside,its worth pointing out that both of the Pyramidical structures at each end of Glasnevin Village suffered from serious defects almost from construction,both Our Lady of Dolours church and the Met Office had large scale remedial work carried out to their structures very early in their existance.
All the more remarkable as they both replaced elderly structures which were “Supposed” to be time expired !
Great thread all round so 🙂
@gunter wrote:
The only sections of ctesiphon’s cycle route that could possibly yield photographs B and C are Donore Ave. (something to the rear of the Meath Hospital), or possibly the South Citcular Road, but the path is too narrow and the stonework is too clean for the boundary wall (C) to be at Griffith Barracks (the bit up at that awful school).
For anyone still interested in finding the three storey warehouse (A), it is located no more that 30m away from ctesiphon’s cycle route, near another educational establishment of dubious merit.
I had another look for the warehouse over the weekend, specifically around the Smithfield area, but I had no joy. Was I in the right general area?
I know I was in the right area for my two- not Donore Ave at all. I’ll give you one more shot, then I can put you out of your misery. (Or should that be ‘one more more more shot’, followed by a full Irish breakfast? :D)
One final clue- the wall was where I thought your warehouse was. I still think they might be near neighbours.
Anyone else care to give any of the three a shot? (I’ll admit the datestone one is very obscure, even though the photo was taken from a public road.)
EDIT: Re the ‘educational establishment’- Blackhall Place?
I found a wall that matches your wall, but with a window and a traffic light in the way. I guess that means it’s not your wall!
I did have a wander around Smithfield, but I didn’t find it.
Hold on a minute here, the penny’s dropping, it’s the back of the Smithfield scheme facing Bow Street (the A + D Wejchert scheme), that’s where the wall is, right?
I think you’re right- I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt!
It’s the Bow Street frontage of the Carmelite Friary. (‘more more more’ = Carmel; ‘full Irish breakfast’ = friary. :o)
Interestingly, your wall has one of those ghost lintels too (to the right of the window), indicating a previous opening. In fact, I have a collection of blocked opes- time to break them out for a new chapter of this thread? 🙂
(Edit: One of my blocked doors featured in this thread before, in fact: https://archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=56164&postcount=271 No.3 in that list.)
@ctesiphon wrote:
Interestingly, your wall has one of those ghost lintels too (to the right of the window), indicating a previous opening.
You say that as if the ghost lintel was some kind of random feature. It took a long time to find a ghost lintel.
On your wall, I was actually thinking of the other side of Bow Street.
The educational establishment near my warehouse is not Blackhall Place, but you’re on the right side of the city.
Last clue: The warehouse is near a place of (current) architectural interest.
Bolton Street? Belvedere College? They’re the only northside educational spots I passed (or near to) on my route, I think.
Is it Henrietta Place? Corner of Yarnhall Street (?) or thereabouts? If not, I give up.
PS Do you want to know re the datestone?
Henrietta Place, corner with Yarnhall Street, that would be correct!
That’s the front of Bolton Street Tech. on the right (first clue) and straight on down to the left is the corner house on Henrietta Street, which is the site of a current open architectural competition (second clue).
Go on then, where’s your date stone?
Woo-hoo!
It was a bit of a guess- I knew there was something on that corner, but couldn’t remember exactly what it was. And, looking at your picture above, I think the brick/rubble stone elevational treatments might have confused me a little. I presume it’s a later refacing?
The clues that gave it to me were a) 30 metres from my route, and b) northside educational. I wasn’t aware of the current competition; I thought you might have been referring to the brick yoke on the corner of Henrietta Street and Bolton Street with that comment.
The datestone is on Stable Lane, behind the church on Arran Quay. Apologies for the obscurity- I’ll admit I was feeling a little vengeful over the Iveagh/Steam Packet picture. 😉 I’ll try to post a wider angle anon.
These things are maddening aren’t they, so we’ll press on.
However, I suspect that obscure bits of wall down back lanes may be a minority interest, so what about some higher profile stuff.
The question remains, where are these? [Rules observed, within the canal ring, public access, all of that!]
A
B
This is what happens when you make them too easy! Collins Barracks is right for ‘B’ The inscription is ‘Charles Duke of Rutland Lord Lieutenant 1785’ I never knew of it’s existance, until I went looking for ctesiphon’s fecking wall.
What about the finial?
On the old Presb church in Sean MacDermott St? By the way, the warehouse is a real gem; the brick does look like a refacing, but the stonework is very robust; who says there are no opportunities for loft apartments in Dblin? (Although it would be better continuing in its original purpose, cleaned up a bit.)
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