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  • #794033
    Anonymous
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    Anyone hear the ‘high-rise debate’ with the booming Tom McGurk this morning? Bit of a scoop with Sam Stephenson being dragged out again from his holiday in Spain, Jim Barrett representing the City Fathers, and the Georgian Society’s planning officer who’s name escapes me despite meeting him recently – oops.

    Bit scatty but interesting – should be on the RTE website by tomorrow morning or you might be able to catch a repeat if up at 2.00 in the morning πŸ™‚

    #794034
    Paul Clerkin
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    IGS Planning Office = Donough Cahill?

    #794035
    Anonymous
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    I heard that Graham…..and all seemed to advocate the need for high rise in the city. It was good to hear Tom McGuik highlighting the boring vast expanses of two storey dwellings and boxes.
    The artist in the report beforehand Anne Madden I think was a bit barmy in that I don’t think she can cope with the concept of the city. She has an exhibition at the mo putting across her fears of urban change and the building boom in Dublin.

    #794036
    Anonymous
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    Speaking of ‘high’ rise, any news on Quay Lodge, Tara Street or Sir John Rogerson’s Quay?

    #794037
    Anonymous
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    Quay Lodge? Is that the one on Pearse St?
    The house that it’s replacing is being demolished right now – so I guess that project is moving along.
    Don’t know about the others (holding breath…)

    #794038
    Anonymous
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    Originally posted by d_d_dallas
    Quay Lodge? Is that the one on Pearse St?
    The house that it’s replacing is being demolished right now – so I guess that project is moving along.
    Don’t know about the others (holding breath…)

    In Ballymun? I didn’t know that Pearse Tower already had a “replacement” set up. Any info on Quay Lodge?

    #794039
    Anonymous
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    Wait…this is Quay Lodge. I was thinking its name was Wood Quay for some odd reason, but thats a development in London.

    #794040
    Anonymous
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    It looks like a standard London building anyway!

    Yeah Greg, that artist made it a tad unclear as to what she was talking about to say the least – it was hilarious the way they talked for 5 minutes about towering high-rises in the city, blocking out light, the mass use of concrete etc and then gave an example of it – the Jervis St area, where the standard roof level is moving from 4 storeys to six! Perhaps the exhibition sheds a bit more light on what she has in mind.

    I think an equally ludicrous comment was made by Sam Stephenson, suggesting that the Docklands should rise to the level of Manhattan, that it should reach for the skies etc – although perhaps it was said a bit tounge-in-cheek!
    Interesting that when he said that the Georgian core is sacrosanct and should be fully protected, McGurk seemed to jarr at the idea, saying that marmalade is better suited to preservation than cities. Hmmm… (still funny though :))

    That’s the name Paul, it was Donagh Cahill from the IGS featured. A nice guy, even though spoke to him for just a moment – certainly contradicts the usual stuff levelled at the organisation. Indeed overall the society is very welcoming and interested in what you’re at – the basement’s always very homely down there πŸ™‚

    #794041
    Anonymous
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    Yes! Quay Lodge on Pearse St!!! (or if you want to be pedantic the merging of Pearse St and Ringsend Rd). There was a house (called funnily enough “Quay Lodge”) standing on that spot until a few days ago. It is now gone! Therefore construction must be commencing at some stage in the near future…

    #794042
    Anonymous
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    Originally posted by GregF
    The artist in the report beforehand Anne Madden I think was a bit barmy in that I don’t think she can cope with the concept of the city. She has an exhibition at the mo putting across her fears of urban change and the building boom in Dublin.

    Bernadette Madden – her exhibition “Vanishing Skies” will be on in the Hallward Gallery, 65 Merrion Square from 1 September. The ubiquitous Frank Mcdonald is doing the opening.

    I thought she was quite good in an offbeat, arty type of way. She is not actually against tall buildings – she is concerned about thier locations and is rightly unimpressed by the tendency to pack entire sites with high buildings, no setting back, no open and public spaces…

    #794043
    Anonymous
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    Originally posted by d_d_dallas
    Yes! Quay Lodge on Pearse St!!! (or if you want to be pedantic the merging of Pearse St and Ringsend Rd). There was a house (called funnily enough “Quay Lodge”) standing on that spot until a few days ago. It is now gone! Therefore construction must be commencing at some stage in the near future…

    So now we’ll have 2 highrises under construction in Dublin, at Santry Cross and Quay Lodge. There was a bit of a “highrise lull” last year and no true highrises were built (by true highrise, I mean 12 stories and up).

    Theres also that new tallest going up in Limerick and several proposals around the country. Looks like maybe Ireland is opening up more to highrise development…? πŸ™‚

    #794044
    Anonymous
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    In a (pair of) word(s) – sort of. In Dublin at least, most of the bigger buildings are near transport nodes, which is why they are getting approved or are likely to be – there’s the apartment tower and hotel near the Luas in Belgard Square, Smithfield Market on the same line, Quay Lodge near Barrow St. DART, Heuston Gate, Tara St. Station, Merchant’s Gate near the Point Luas extension.

    There are still inappropriate or poorly located proposals though – there is no tranport infrastucture in the area of the city where the U2 building and Sir John Rogerson’s Quay building will be, the perennially-awaiting-decision Southbank is even worse. The proposed tower in Donnybrook would need to be spectacular to avoid being terribly inappropriate (as good as the once-empty Centrepoint, for example), and I haven’t seen a model or rendering of it so I’ll withhold judgement. There’s also a proposed development in Carrickmines and one in Liffey Valley – I don’t think high large suburban developments with no rail access should be permitted.

    #794045
    Anonymous
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    These builings are not highrise! Quay Lodge will be lucky to graze 40m. Santry Cross ditto.

    #794046
    Anonymous
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    But ”at the end of the day” folks (to quote an old footballing cliche)…..this stuff that we are getting here that is being regarded as high-rise is really quite pitiful really, is’nt it. I mean big deal….Wow….20 storeys….ah Jesus ….It’s a laugh…..The Brits across the water are setting good examples with their new and ”dynamic” architecture in most of their major cities, ie London. As always we can learn from their examples and take a leaf outta their books….when they are producing good stuff. We copied their failures in the 60’s. Why does it take so loooong here for the penny to drop.
    (ie…and way off the point, but it is a metaphor; In the Olympics our equestrian team were hot stuff for a medal before the start, we had just won the Aga Kahn and McCreevy spent millions and built a ghastly looking hotel for the gee gees down in Kildare……but at the end of the day we did fuck all and got no where in the Olympics for a country that prides itself in horse breeding, while our competitors, The Germans , the Brits , the USA did very well and all on horses that probably originated from an Irish stud. We did atrocious in the dressage as always and sure that was expected …Well why don’t they correct the fucking problem and get someone in with knowhow to train our horses to perform ….as they were saying last night on TV after the penny had dropped. The same can be applied to achitecture in Ireland. We supply the paddies to build the temples abroad, all over the world, but we are too scared to build them at home. Maybe, there is some truth in stereotypes and maybe a proportion of Irish people are generally stupid despite an education…ie politicians, beaureaucrats etc……. ..So come on people wake up, ah jesus, for god sake!

    #794047
    Anonymous
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    Originally posted by Irishtown

    Theres also that new tallest going up in Limerick and several proposals around the country. Looks like maybe Ireland is opening up more to highrise development…? πŸ™‚

    where’s it being built in limerick, is it part of this whole riverside city thing?

    #794048
    Anonymous
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    Originally posted by Andrew Duffy
    The proposed tower in Donnybrook would need to be spectacular to avoid being terribly inappropriate (as good as the once-empty Centrepoint, for example), and I haven’t seen a model or rendering of it so I’ll withhold judgement.

    Heres the Donnybrook project:

    Originally posted by d_d_dallas
    These builings are not highrise! Quay Lodge will be lucky to graze 40m. Santry Cross ditto.

    They are in no waay tall or skyscrapers, no. But the term highrise technically refers to buildings over 12 stories. At least thats the consensus.

    Originally posted by Mob79

    where’s it being built in limerick, is it part of this whole riverside city thing?

    More info here:

    Riverpoint Building
    Newton House

    ^All of this info comes straight from the architects and Limerick city Planning records.

    #794049
    Anonymous
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    Poor Limerick…

    #794050
    Anonymous
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    Its not all bad…It will look better in reality than in renderings.

    #794051
    Anonymous
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    It was one rendering in particular that made me pity ole stab city (sic) the rendering Irishtown you put up of the view from Steamboat Qy is actually quite good – it was from the opposite side that caused me pain.

    http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/797/72bishopsquay4.jpg

    #794052
    Anonymous
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    Yeah it looks quite behemoth and plain for that angle. But from others it looks quite nice. Overall, I think it will be good for the area.

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