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now thats just not nice naz!
someone asked earlier if we could slap a preservation order on the thing? why not? its sculpture and art and as a piece it should remain completely intact. i havent seen the bridge close up yet, i’ve had to retire down south for the summer and earn, but what exactly is the problem? where are people getting up? surely a protective structure of glass or fine titanium mesh or something could be erected without detracting from the thing. is this why the bottom 10 metres of the spike are so bloody smooth and shiny? to stop the innocent little mites from following natural childlike attraction to climbable things and try to scale the spike? nice view up there. nice splat down here 🙂 little dears
where will the responsibility of the architect/engineer ever stop? if the arches are to be kiddie proof, the benches skater proof, the railings suicide proof!?!? if we’re to progress with innovative design in public amenities, the public themselves must surely accept some responsibility for their own actions and those around them!
Dublin City Council cant be allowed to throw up some ill conceived short term solution which will be left there til the bridge eventually falls into the filthy river.I am just concerned that they could destroy the look of the bridge by amending it. So many things go wrong in this country. I wouldn’t be surprised if they ruined the look of the bridge, but then again maybe they will do a good job. I understand that Ireland does have some very good projects under construction but something always goes wrong. It is so unfair. I just want for a clean and modern city. I want a city to be proud of. There are so many messer’s out there, so many people that just ruin it all for everyone else. I would hate to see spray paint all over the bottom of the spike for example. If they amend the bridge and do a good job of it i’ll be a happy man.
I think it’s all a bit of a non story. The Times article quotes Gary Leeson. This is the same Gary Leeson freelance photographer that took the photo of “child on bridge” that accompanies the photo.
If you vist the bridge when there is no photographer present you are unlikely to see anyone climbing the arch.surely it isn’t so hard to solve anyway, maybe a few studs to stop sliding and then some of that paint that never quite dries further up. that won’t stop drunk people, but then climbing buildings when drunk is part of being alive and 20 and nothing will stop you.
“If you visit the bridge when there is no photographer present you are unlikely to see anyone climbing the arch.”
I didn’t see the article in the paper, but my apartment overlooks the bridge and most evenings you can see people running up the side of the main arch and sliding back down. The only photographers that seem to be around are sightseers and tourists.
It is probably fairly normal for a story to hit the papers in that way, (photographer asking subject to pose) but that does not lessen the validity of the story.
As well as running up and sliding down the main arch, I have also seen people trying to “shimmy” up the “ropes” that support the carriageway from the arch and skateboarders using the seats as slides.
It won’t be long until someone decides to go all the way to the top of the arch and falls on some innocent pedestrian.
This is a public order issue. Indeed, there are many places where people can climb to precarious positions (and sometimes they do!), but not that often and they run the risk of getting in trouble with the law.
The Gardai regularly set up speed checkpoints less than a hundred metres away and pay no attention to whatever else is happening around them. It is about time they put a bigger presence in the area and tried to put a stop to this and other anti-social behaviour.
So it would seem that Calatrava has landed us with a structure that has not taken into account human usage or its surroundings………………..
What are these people…monkeys or something….Jesus, it’s a bridge for god sake ….How many times has one seen a playground installed for ‘bored kids’ and it ends up vandalized.
We design structures for the way people are not the way we wish society to be.
This was an element of the brief that wasn’t addressed, and in fairness hardly a surprising one, I’m amazed at the amount of vitriol aimed at kids who are just messing around in the environment in which they live. That’s what we want people to do- interact. Its probably the only part of this design that’s sparked my interest, but it remains a design issue- not a social one.Thats the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! What you are suggesting is that we shouldn’t blame kids for ‘interacting with their environment’ …even if this interaction involves suspending themselves off a slippery metal girder 20ft over a busy roadway!
The point has been made: when does the designers responsibility to the surroundings and possible uses of his/her design stop. The possible uses of a design could be considered ad infinitum but eventually you have to stop. People should not be climbing this bridge and if they do and they get hurt then tough! Serves them right.
We want people to interact…….by scaling
the bridge (ah yea …like the way they scale the Eiffel Tower).
…..hence you end up with graffitti ridden, litter strewn, vandalized, treeless, no go areas of a city….as Dublin has suffered.
….the amount of vitriol aimed at kids…..Kids? more like little monsters. The makings of tomorrows gurriers.
Responsible parenting is the keyword here……and it should bear no relation to poverty. Poverty of the mind morelike.….where’s the child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
All I’m saying is that this is an inner city area and that people climb on urban structures all over the world (Its not just Dublin kids and the pointless attacks on their behaviour add nothing to the arguement)- is it imposible that Calatrava could have forseen that this would be an issue. Its seems on the contrary that he provided young people with a challenge.
I’m sorry but that’s where we should draw the line for architect’s responsibility-
wilful bad and ill- considered design.Your right – if they fall it does serve them right, I don’t disagre, but there are levels of acceptable risk and I don’t think this is acceptable from a design point of view.
Originally posted by GregF
We want people to interact…….by scaling
the bridge (ah yea …like the way they scale the Eiffel Tower).
…..hence you end up with graffitti ridden, litter strewn, vandalized, treeless, no go areas of a city….as Dublin has suffered.
….the amount of vitriol aimed at kids…..Kids? more like little monsters. The makings of tomorrows gurriers.
Responsible parenting is the keyword here……and it should bear no relation to poverty. Poverty of the mind morelike.….where’s the child catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!
By the by..tomorrows gurriers.?……..nice
…snobbish and upper middle class all in one obnoxious phrase….
(The irony being that the first person to get hurt will probably be a drunk Trinity student!)
Na…….no way snobbish bud……I am of such stock which fully qualifies me to give out about such. No pretensions here.
Originally posted by GregF
Na…….no way snobbish bud……I am of such stock which fully qualifies me to give out about such. No pretensions here.And there I rest my case.
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