Grafton Street, Dublin
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- April 26, 2012 at 4:51 pm #784999
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InactiveWell gee whizz..I just couldnt contain myself and ventured into the Civic Offices to see what is planned for myself.
So what do we get…after a 2 year design project, after the Designing Dublin initaive to redefine the area as a Grafton Street Quarter full of interesting new uses and ideas…
What’s on offer is a bog standard public realm scheme. The proposed layout more or less mirrors what exists now. A central carriageway flanked by two smaller pavement areas deliniated by line of bollards, lampstandards and bins. The proposal is NOT to allow for greater car use on Grafton Street. As I thought, the confusion created in earlier posts is a result of the architects description of the scheme.
Materials-wise the paving will mirror that used on Henry Street and O’Connell Street…leaning more to Henry Street. The majority is a mid-grey granite. The wayfinding path along one side of the street (which looks a big crappy in the plan layout) comprises the small tactile cobbles also found on Henry Street (the forecourts to most shops) and is intended to guide sight impaired people along the street. The various junctions along the street are denoted by square expanses of pink granite (again similar to that on Henry Street),
Bollards, lighting etc is positioned to ensure that heavy vehicles dont damage the pavement over cellars (its the same arrangement as now). The materials here are contemporary and while the design brief speaks of ‘reflecting the unique design qualities of Grafton Street’ (Im paraphrasing ), the street furniture is catelogue stuff similar to what you find on O’connell Street
April 26, 2012 at 4:59 pm #785000Anonymous
InactiveI also noted in the application that a Masterplan has been prepared for the whole area from Dawson Street to South Great Georges Street – and a small image of it is included. North St Stephen’s Green, Dawson Street and Lower Grafton Street are all top be dealt with by the Luas BXD works. The remaining streets will be gradually resurfaced over a period in similar materials. There doesnt appear to be any major rethinking of the layout of the area (as lobbied for). Curriously, South King Street is omitted from improvements…we can leave that defunct water feature in place for a while longer.
The Masterplan is not available to view anywwhere.
April 29, 2012 at 12:08 am #785001Anonymous
InactiveAn interesting article in light of Grafton Street seeking ‘reinvention’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/apr/28/high-streets?CMP=twt_gu
May 3, 2012 at 2:59 pm #785002Anonymous
InactiveStill no sign of plans and drawings on the DCC website. Nothing about the designs in the media. :thumbdown:
May 9, 2012 at 12:00 am #785003Anonymous
InactiveShockingly the documents are STILL not up on the DCC website. Here are the details courtesy of Dublin City Business Association http://www.dcba.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Part-8-Explanatory-Booklet-Reduced.pdf
May 11, 2012 at 7:47 pm #785004Anonymous
Inactiveyick.
May 13, 2012 at 11:17 pm #785005Anonymous
InactiveAlmost a full month since this plan went public and STILL no sign on the DCC website. One can only but draw their own conclusions. It is also remarkable that for a scheme as significant as this, a general public presentation has not been conducted by DCC officials other than those made to private business groups and traders on the street.
The above, coupled with what is apparent in the plan, confirms how this scheme seems to have plummeted down the priority list in DCC, where the repaving now appears to be being carried out with the minimum of fuss, design complexity and general public engagement. As much as these areas generally went OTT during the boom years, this is not a good thing and it is highly regrettable, not to mention disconcerting, that the reordering of the so-called premier street in the State is generating zero public or media comment. What’s going on?
I imagine the above document is all that is on display in hard copy format, as Part 8 is a self-contained statutory document, in which case the plan is sorely thin on detail and virtually impossible to make an informed public comment on its specifics. Having studied it for half an hour or so, it is very difficult to get a sense of how the paving will work in reality, with no photomontages of a clear or relatively empty street. An enlarged plan section of paving is also required to accurately assess the mix of materials.
A few observations:
The most important of all: where is this granite being sourced? A very deliberate exclusion of this critical point from the plans is apparent, as nobody wants to talk about the giant Indian elephant sitting over in the corner. Having been exhaustively highlighted in the Historic Street Surfaces Workshop recently run by DCC, there is no excuse – either through procurement rules, ability to supply, or cost – for Irish stone to be discarded in favour of imported material. If we cannot pave our main shopping street in our own native materials, which we otherwise export by the bucketload, then might as well give up on a quality city here and now, and use the upcoming Public Realm Strategy as delightfully colourful lavatory paper.
The use of pink granite to denote street junctions is a tried and tested solution, but it is a predictable concept and far too similar to Henry Street in approach. The paving pattern at these junctions, comprised of square slabs, I also find repetitive and jarring, and evocative of cheap 1960s system cladding.
The complex, dense pattern of the proposed base granite is robust and elegant.
The ‘wayfinding path’ is much less prominent that people probably imagined – more like an irritating dribble than a full-on stain.
There is far too much street clutter by way of bollards, bins and lamps. While the bollards are essential to prevent incursions by vehicles into the cellar zones, the proposed litter bins should be capable of acting as bollards in themselves and be regularly spaced within the bollard sequence. The number of bins proposed is also ludicrous – a bin on both sides every three plot widths.
The single most hideous element that must be extracted from this plan are the ignorant lampposts proposed the length of the street, as pictured by Peter above. There are a few issues here:
The proposed design is plucked straight from 1950s central Bradford.
It is utterly anodyne.
It is catalogue-tastic.
The dual-height lamps look preposterous on a medium-sized standard of this kind. They also scream at their context, not because they’re ‘modrin’, but because in the hierarchy of street illumination the broad central artery of the street is being lit by the same lamp as the paltry walkway of the cellar zone. They therefore utterly fail to understand or acknowledge the design character and layout of the street.Street lamps on an intimate pedestrian thoroughfare such as Grafton Street categorically require a high grade, custom designed, human scale solution. They demand design excellence, they should be graciously iconic, and they should stand out top of the pile in the hierarchy of Dublin street illumination. What is proposed shouts of a certain type of stereotype architect-led mediocrity, which is so obvious in its minimal architectonic discipline that it’s a wonder it wasn’t steered clear of in the avoidance of the inevitable guffaws. What is ironic about this robustly clinical design approach is that it actually avoids a confident design statement – it is, in effect, a cop-out on the singular greatest character-forming element on the thoroughfare. This is unacceptable and cannot go unchallenged.
Indeed, on the grounds of cost, it has to be questioned why existing street furniture cannot be retained and refurbished as part of this plan. This isn’t so much a hospital beds argument as a design and sustainability one – the existing lampposts and bollards are in good condition and surprisingly successful and minimal in form. The bollards are the classic Dublin Doric, which in spite of breeding like rabbits around the city, are a thoroughly elegant design. Likewise the lamp standards are a coherent mixture of historic Hammond Lane pillars, similar historic standards, and some 1980s reproductions. If all of this furniture was entirely reconditioned, with the gawky extension poles of the standards removed, everything stripped bare and given a robust factory coating in a striking matt olive green or perhaps deep rust shade, the lamps heads all unified with world-class, hand-crafted copper and glass lanterns based on a native Dublin design, fitted with sparkling white LEDs, and new contemporary bins purchased to complement, the cost would surely be a fraction of what is proposed. Statement pillars with declamatory heads, standing proud and upstanding on a bowling green of new paving would make a truly memorable and character-building statement. Why do we have to reinvent the wheel? Do designers not have confidence in their knowledge of the city to contextually redesign?
There is no mention of way-finding signage, or interpreting significant premises or sites on the street through the paving.
There is no mention of how flower sellers and stalls are to be incorporated into the plans.
Must wander over and see if there are more details at the planning desk.
Public submissions ‘welcome’ until June 20th.
May 14, 2012 at 12:32 pm #785006Anonymous
InactiveIt is proposed that the street furniture be well-designed and elegant, and both
reflect and express the unique character of Grafton Street.So take out the Dublin lampstands and replace with catalogue stuff then.
The end design is mediocrity exemplified: I am wondering what the last 2 years were spent doing?
Very good analysis Graham… a lot of very pertinent questions raised that to my eyes dont seem to have occurred to the design team. Or is it just one person in isolation…never heard about the Historic Street Surfaces Workshop…”complaints about the increasing clutter of city streets?”…never heard those…..Grafton Street? where’s that? The lack of promotion of this project is also puzzling…just like the Palace Street job.
Perhaps I am being unduly cynical. Perhaps the local authority that has failed to give any coherence to the Henry Street retail area in terms of urban realm will work wonders over in the new Grafton Street Quarter. Perhaps the team that started to install new public lighting and reduce clutter in College Green (continually noted as the city’s pre-eminent civic space) and then got bored (last works undertaken in Nov) will do right by Grafton Street. Perhaps the various silos of responsibility that are currently making a balls up of tiny but important Palace Street as the main entrance onto the State’s most important ceremonial complex will get it together before they splash out all that scarce dosh on chinese granite and shiny bins and bollards. As the song goes: perhaps perhaps perhaps.
May 14, 2012 at 7:01 pm #785007Anonymous
Inactive@GrahamH wrote:
What is ironic about this robustly clinical design approach is that it actually avoids a confident design statement – it is, in effect, a cop-out on the singular greatest character-forming element on the thoroughfare. This is unacceptable and cannot go unchallenged.
Absolutely.

No detail at all on how the extensive area around the lamp standard in front of Fusiliers Arch will be handled, the significance of this space has grown over the years, now regularly thronged with buskers & onlookers.
May 14, 2012 at 9:11 pm #785008Anonymous
InactiveThat’s because this area, as well as Lower Grafton Street down towards College Green, are the ‘responsibility’ of the RPA as part of proposed Luas BXD works (and Metro North/DART Underground were they do go ahead). The plans for these areas are currently before An Bord Pleanala. Its another inconsistency of these plans that they say very little about how they will link in with the proposed RPA works: will the same materials be used, will the paving join seamlessly or will it be the usual disjointed mess of surface treatments.
May 14, 2012 at 10:05 pm #785009Anonymous
InactiveHere’s that design statement by RPA for the Luas BXD and the proposals for St Stephen’s Green
May 14, 2012 at 11:48 pm #785010Anonymous
InactiveBrilliant, more tree planting on College Green
May 15, 2012 at 11:56 pm #785011Anonymous
InactiveDoes not seem like a strong design statement.
The old scheme seems better with new stone…
What heritage?June 14, 2012 at 8:54 pm #785012Anonymous
InactiveNext Wed is the final date for submissions on the Grafton Street works? Is anyone making an comment? I would be interested to hear. Is it worth it? Can PM me is you like.
July 30, 2012 at 11:56 pm #785013Anonymous
InactiveNo decision made as yet on the proposed Grafton Street works, although one imagines its a foregone conclusion. There were a variety of submissions made but the one likely to hold most sway came from the DofForeign Affairs expressing concern about the works taking place during the Presidency of the EU next year.
Nevertheless, the snail pace if improvement in the city centre (what ever happened to that City Centre Action Plan?) continues with the increased pedestrian space created on Clarendon Street. The changeover seems to be starting…big planters put in place to create a wider pavement with the proposed painting of the pavement starting soon.
Meanwhile Grafton Street is to get a new high profile client in the former Warehouse store….who could it be? Its Carrolls Gift and Souvenirs. I suppose they will at least pay the rates.
August 27, 2012 at 12:19 am #785014Anonymous
InactiveShould approval be granted Dublin City Council anticipates that work will begin in January 2013 and will be completed in approximately 14 months.
Well surprise surprise, the Council have approved the works…
The ‘conditions’ make for bizarre reading, given the origins of the scheme.
The proposed development has been assessed and it is considered that it would be consistent with both the provisions included in the Dublin City Development Plan 2011-2017 and with the proper planning and sustainable development of the area subject to the following requirements which are intended to safeguard the architectural integrity of this important street;
1. The detailed design, and selection of materials, colours and location of the full range of street furniture including public lighting shall be agreed in writing with the Planning Department prior to the commencement of construction. Reason: In the interest of visual amenity and in order to protect and enhance the special architectural character of Grafton Street, a designated Architectural Conservation Area.
2. The development shall comply with the following requirements of the Roads and Traffic Division:- • The materials including colour and finishes to be used in the proposed new layout shall be agreed with Road Maintenance Division, City Architects and the Planning Department of Dublin City Council. • The developer shall ensure that pedestrian access is maintained at all times to the street. Reason: In the interest of orderly and sustainable development and in order to ensure that the selected materials are in keeping with the architectural character of Grafton street, a designated Architectural Conservation Area.
3. The development shall comply with the following requirements of the Drainage Division of Dublin City Council; • The Greater Dublin Regional Code of Practice for Drainage Works Version 6.0 (see http://www.dublincity.ie Forms and Downloads). Reason: In the interest of orderly and sustainable development.
4. Prior to commencement of development, a Project Monitoring Committee shall be set up which shall include representatives from the local business community and other local stakeholders. The purpose of this Committee will be to allow for the ongoing assessment of the project and impacts on the local environment, identification of problems arising and proposing measures to remedy and manage any identified shortcomings. As part of this process, an officer shall be appointed by Dublin City Council to liaise with local stakeholders, the contractors and project team. Reason: In the interests of protecting the economic, social and cultural interests of the street during the construction process and having regard to the need to identify and remedy any adverse impacts arising from the development.
5. A strategy for street art/busking on Grafton Street shall be developed in conjunction with the final detailed design of the paving scheme. Reason: In the interests of enhancing the character of Grafton Street as a major city centre destination.As with the similar Palace Street scheme (ie an LAW applications) there is no Planner’s Reports posted so it is unclear how the authority dealt with the various submissions made (20 in this instance).
August 27, 2012 at 12:22 am #785015Anonymous
InactiveInterestingly, the Council (via Sierra) are currently in the process of repaving Parnell Street (the western end), removing the brick and laying flags. No sign of a similar process to the above however. How come one requires planning permission while another doesnt. Seems strange.
September 12, 2012 at 9:55 pm #785016Anonymous
InactiveStephenC — I was just about to ask the same question. Anybody have any idea?
October 31, 2012 at 1:02 pm #785017Anonymous
InactiveLower Grafton Street, that section from Suffolk Street to College Green is fast becoming the city centre’s latest Tat Parade. Despite being on of the city’s most prestigious addresses – The Provost’s House – and being an extension of the city’s most important retail street, the quality of what you find on Lower Grafton Street is way below what should be expected from this key section of the civic spine.

So its all not bad. There are some big names here…grand old Bernardo’s (a shop that defies me as to how it survives), the nearest thing Dublin gets to an AppleStore, American Apparel and of course now the new Abercrombie & Fitch store packed full of emaciated torsos on College Green. The street has a great location, huge foot fall, buildings of great character and its located within an ACA and a Area of Special Planning Control, both of which are meant to provide the tools to create a high quality retail street.
So why then does the street also include a betting shop, two convenience stores and now….its very own charity shop!
October 31, 2012 at 1:14 pm #785018Anonymous
InactiveThe street ‘benefits’ from a section of pavement that just about caters for the hoards using it each day and that has stubbornly defined any efforts to widen and declutter it. The area is generally packed full of casual street sellers, chalk artists and leprechauns all looking for a slice of the action. There also the perma-parking provided by the taxi rank here. No one has yet thought to critically consider things like signage, bollards, the ugly cheap street lights c 1975, the rake of redundant phone boxes now used mainly for MacxDonalds advertising and the creep creep of a-frames and sandwich boards along the street.

There seems to be very little aspiration about the street…the presentation of frontages lack little imagination and even the big guns on the street offer stores they wouldnt dare on the main street of other capital cities (compare Compulab and its Apple product with the temple to white that Apple operates from on Regent’s Street in London).
Thankfully the Book Value store closed earlier in the year and a smart refurbishment of the property it occupied 110 has just been unveiled.

There is no occupier at present. Anyone know who might be interested. Carrolls maybe….or Ladbrooks?
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