Giant sculpture to be located in Liffey
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This is exactly what I’m thinking of when I say that locals should be ignored.
@MurrayMints wrote:
It is close to a bridge so it will not be in the way of any other bridges that could be built across the river in the future.
Its proximity to the bridge and ncc is part of the problem, whatever people think of the NCC & the James Joyce bridge, there is or will be a pleasing balance between the two.
The location is random, odd & an obvious afterthought – competing with what is likely to become the crux of the docklands – the sculpture deserves better.
perhaps he meant concerns
@jdivision wrote:
What on earth were the fears? I could understand not liking it (I don’t either) but “fears”. It’s not a transformer, it’s not going to fall on houses, so what fears?
That isn’t fair jdivision; it is admirable that people fear a degradation of their visual environment in the same way that they would fear something that affected their health or homes. It is wrong to demand that peoples fears are restricted to their personal property or personal health: public property and the public realm belong to us all and we can all fear that which we feel threatens them.
I have mixed feelings about the sculpture, I admire Gormley but I feel it this sculpting does unnecessary violence to the river vista. I am also irked that we aren’t being shown the other entries.
@notjim wrote:
I have mixed feelings about the sculpture, I admire Gormley but I feel it this sculpting does unnecessary violence to the river vista. I am also irked that we aren’t being shown the other entries.
I rather agree with this bit, don’t really know what to think myself, not overly convinced that the sculpture is a great idea, it could be, but then I really think I won’t know until I see it, and by then it will be too late if I don’t (not that that will make much difference anyway :D). It is an interesting concept, quite a daring one, and could well prove to be genius just as easily as it could be a failiure. Or both.
Jesus! Is that fence comfortable to sit on?
😀 Not really. Good job I got my iron plated underwear padded…
But it sure beats being nailed to a cross any day.
@jdivision wrote:
What on earth were the fears? I could understand not liking it (I don’t either) but “fears”. It’s not a transformer, it’s not going to fall on houses, so what fears?
THE FEARS are that the local lads that swim in the liffey will try to climb it and there will be an injury or god forbid a drowning.Before anybody says they wont climb it look at the structure and you will see that they have a perfect ladder to do it.
G mc: can I withdraw my support above for your use of the word fear?
@notjim wrote:
G mc: can I withdraw my support above for your use of the word fear?
That is one fear that we have and if people bother to read the planning objection they will see what we se will happen if this monster goes ahead
@notjim wrote:
G mc: can I withdraw my support above for your use of the word fear?
ddda said in their submission that the place the sculpture is preposed would be the best location because of our low level buildings.These !BUILDINGS! are our homes .We have an unspoilt veiw and when this monster goes ahead we will be living in a bird cage.Now we have found that a preposed buliding on the corner of sir john rodgerson quay is to go 6 or 7 stories high which will in return limit the effect the sculpture will have .The sculpture was supossed to be;; a charcoal drawing against the sky;; but that will not be if they start building as high as the sculpture itself
Edited by Archiseek.com – no need for rudeness
Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the CHILDREN
@G mc wrote:
THE FEARS are that the local lads that swim in the liffey will try to climb it and there will be an injury or god forbid a drowning.Before anybody says they wont climb it look at the structure and you will see that they have a perfect ladder to do it.
But with rather gigantic rungs.
I used to live in area where there was electricity pylons going up and the locals, my parents included, were up in arms, arguing that young fellas, such as I, would be spending the long summer days clambering up and down these structures, creating great risk for ourselves and any sheep or cows that may be unfortunate enough to happen to be passing beneath the pylons as we would be making our inevitably rapid descent to our deaths. These allegations proved to be untrue since myself and other local lads had the good sense not to go galloping up electricity pylons. May I suggest that the people of your locality may have the faith in those lads that swim in the liffey, that they will not undertake such foolish things
P.S. Theres anti climb paint four meters up the base of the sculpture.
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They’re not really very fundamental objections. The traffic disruption will pass and the footpaths will be restored.Overshadowing isn’t really a problem with wireframe sculptures
These, I think, are more valid objections.
http://www.dublincity.ie/AnitePublicDocs/00210436.pdfhttp://www.dublincity.ie/AnitePublicDocs/00211993.pdf
Especially about the bird droppings not being cleaned off the head
[ATTACH]9037[/ATTACH]@shanekeane wrote:
Tough shit. You should move to some Victorian suburb, you’d be happier.
Thats a ridiculous comment. Spanner.
People have every right to voice concerns over planning applications – maybe a lot of the tripe built in this country would not have been built if people took a more active interest in their built environment.
I don’t agree with the objection in this case myself but don’t be such a condescending little knob.
Spot on, reddy.
@G mc wrote:
ddda said in their submission that the place the sculpture is preposed would be the best location because of our low level buildings.These !BUILDINGS! are our homes .We have an unspoilt veiw and when this monster goes ahead we will be living in a bird cage.Now we have found that a preposed buliding on the corner of sir john rodgerson quay is to go 6 or 7 stories high which will in return limit the effect the sculpture will have .The sculpture was supossed to be;; a charcoal drawing against the sky;; but that will not be if they start building as high as the sculpture itself
G mc-
A 7 storey building would only be about half the height of the sculpture.
Also- views from people’s homes are not protected under planning (or any other) law.
Overshadowing is in principle a valid reason to object, but not in this case.
And I fail to see how a sculpture will worsen the traffic conditions or the cycling environment (which is piss poor already).
I’m not sure I fully agree with PTB re the other objections, though. They’re certainly more detailed, but the Terry Durney one (the man responsible for the height cap in the DDDA Masterplan, let’s not forget) contains the gem: ‘Gigantism has been discredited in Western Europe because of its associations with totalitarian regimes’, whilst TPA goes for its usual ‘Why send two pages where seven will do?’ approach. Still, the points re the EIS are bang on.
It really is outstandingly enormous isn’t it?
I think it raises significant concerns in the clutter generated with the adjacent bridges which are/going to be similarly finely wrought. And gunter, the comment about its positioning refers not so much on local level (in terms of the alignment with Lombard Street) but the wider context of the Liffey. Positioning something along a long stretch of river is so arbitrary that it could be plonked anywhere. There is no signifcance about this site other than it’s the closest part of the Docklands to the city centre. It needs a more relevant site.
Your point about local lads climbing up it are ludicrous to be honest. Why build a road cos cars might have an accident. Why build a building cos people could climb it and jump off. If people are thick enough to do it, well what can you do
@G mc wrote:
ddda said in their submission that the place the sculpture is preposed would be the best location because of our low level buildings.These !BUILDINGS! are our homes .We have an unspoilt veiw and when this monster goes ahead we will be living in a bird cage.
So they’re moving your homes INTO the sculpture. Wow, I’d object too.
@PTB wrote:
But with rather gigantic rungs.
I used to live in area where there was electricity pylons going up and the locals, my parents included, were up in arms, arguing that young fellas, such as I, would be spending the long summer days clambering up and down these structures, creating great risk for ourselves and any sheep or cows that may be unfortunate enough to happen to be passing beneath the pylons as we would be making our inevitably rapid descent to our deaths. These allegations proved to be untrue since myself and other local lads had the good sense not to go galloping up electricity pylons. May I suggest that the people of your locality may have the faith in those lads that swim in the liffey, that they will not undertake such foolish things
P.S. Theres anti climb paint four meters up the base of the sculpture.
anti climb paint?????????????????
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