gaiety centre
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- April 6, 2008 at 9:01 pm #743424
alonso
Participantgunter’s edinburgh pic. You left out the . in .jpg:)
April 6, 2008 at 9:21 pm #743425gunter
ParticipantHow did you do that?
April 7, 2008 at 12:25 pm #743426ctesiphon
ParticipantRight click the red X – you’ll see ‘Properties’ in the pop-up box, which leads to another pop-up containint the URL (minus the .).
April 7, 2008 at 2:26 pm #743427gunter
ParticipantOk, it’s an explanation.
But I’m still keeping the blinds closed.
April 7, 2008 at 2:56 pm #743428fergalr
ParticipantI doubt the windows will appear as apparently transparent as they are in those photos. And it seems to me that it could end up looking very…corporatey. Pity they couldn’t have made it match a little bit more the lovely yellow brick of the Gaiety. Plus, there’s going to be loom factor 🙁
April 7, 2008 at 4:16 pm #743429johnglas
ParticipantYes, but if it had ‘copied’ the Gaiety that would have seemed too much like context or even been denounced by the modernistas as ‘pastiche’ (the ultimate shibboleth). Of course it will look ‘corporatey’; the ultimate intention of this development is too generate income, not contribute to townscape, and glass cladding is just flavour of the month. But it will reflect – ahem – the Stephens Green Centre. We can all look forward (or should it be backwards?) to that.
April 7, 2008 at 4:19 pm #743430jdivision
ParticipantI disagree, in visual terms I think it’ll be a nice visual link between The Gaiety and Mercer STreet beyond.
April 7, 2008 at 8:17 pm #743431johnglas
ParticipantIn what way? I just don’t see any ‘connection’ at all.
April 7, 2008 at 10:52 pm #743432jdivision
ParticipantMaybe I’m being ambitious but I think that the trees will screen parts of it and that from certain angles it will reflect the building on Mercer street in the glass rather than the shopping centre. I was actually in favour of the original proposal which was higher
April 8, 2008 at 11:22 am #743433johnglas
ParticipantI think we’re now in the position of hoping the bldg may be partly hidden! I’m sure you’ll agree that is unsatisfactory for anything claiming any kind of architectural integrity. Perhaps if the facade had more interplay between void and solid rather than being – in effect – all void; of course, we’ll need to see how it ‘reads’ once built and whether or not your prediction comes true; I’d have thought that the only reflection of Mercer St would be on the side away from Sth King St.
April 8, 2008 at 11:51 am #743434ctesiphon
Participant@johnglas wrote:
I think we’re now in the position of hoping the bldg may be partly hidden! I’m sure you’ll agree that is unsatisfactory for anything claiming any kind of architectural integrity.
.shhh.!.don.’.t.tell.heneghan.peng.!. 🙂
April 8, 2008 at 12:19 pm #743435jdivision
Participant@johnglas wrote:
I think we’re now in the position of hoping the bldg may be partly hidden! I’m sure you’ll agree that is unsatisfactory for anything claiming any kind of architectural integrity. .
No, you and I have entirely different opinions on architecture and building quality based on your previous posts. Not starting an argument, but I disagree with a lot of things you’ve said previously
April 8, 2008 at 12:46 pm #743436johnglas
ParticipantThat is, I think, the whole point of a discursive blog. I remain steadfast in my total distrust of fashion and ‘names’.
September 16, 2008 at 10:58 am #743437fergalr
ParticipantOnce again, the renders of a magical, ethereal, soufflé of a building are as artificial as the computer graphics themselves. All the windows reflect the Stephen’s Green centre opposite, which in itself is not entirely a bad thing. But it’s dishonest to suggest that somehow it would have looked different. The mantra of it’s just glass, sure you won’t even notice it – a sort of Ned Flanderesque “feels like I’m wearing nothing at all” is patently untrue. Again.
September 16, 2008 at 11:06 am #743438GrahamH
Participant100% agreed. And to be a little more specific about what it reflects, we now have a delightful array of air conditioning plant pasted across the entire facade in delicate undulating waves. This was pointed out to be by one of the first people who saw the glazing go up, and I have noticed nothing else every since. Sorry to ruin it for everyone!
And believe me, it will.
September 16, 2008 at 1:23 pm #743439Pot Noodle
ParticipantBut it will reflect – ahem – the Stephens Green Centre. We can all look forward (or should it be backwards?) to that.
It reminds me of a Mississippi tramp Steamer
September 16, 2008 at 10:59 pm #743440jdivision
Participantas frank mcdonald said many moons ago
November 9, 2008 at 12:01 am #743441GrahamH
ParticipantWell the newly revamped Gaiety Centre (is it even called that anymore?) has just opened, with Warehouse, Zara and H&M occupying the retail units at ground and first floor levels. It is clear that this structure marks a new departure in the history of building typologies in Dublin – namely the first large scale example of a building designed to be refaced and/or entirely disassembled as fashion dictates. Perhaps not consciously drafted as such, but certainly built with that longer term intention behind it all. It is difficult to imagine this building standing in its current form in 20 years time, never mind 200 years time. The trendy facade can be replaced at will and the substructure entirely dismantled like a giant jigsaw puzzle when required. Indeed, even the prospect of the flimsy highly polished shopfront trims surviving to the next recession is distinctly unlikely.
Nonetheless, this building (whose form cannot yet be properly assessed until expansive letting hoardings come down) does introduce a new concept to the capital – the idea of a shopfront on an intimate pedestrian scale. The shopfront heights are remarkably diminutive, and surprisingly effective in humbly bending a knee to the passerby. In this regard they are both sophisticated and respectful of a street that heretofore has not been a major retail destination, and thus offer to the potential for a happy coexistence of a number of uses on this street by not brashly dominating. They look especially well at night when an intimate and familiar connection with the public realm is always desirable.
Regarding the design of the building itself, it speaks volumes of the vacuousness of some trends in contemporary architecture, namely style before function, that a structure which has been entirely faced in glass is almost completely blacked out at first floor level to accommodate retail fitouts. It’s nothing short of preposterous. And this is starkly evident once you enter the building; one expects light-filled spacious floorplates yet everything is boxed in, and in most cases devoid of a connection with the outside world. Of course this is what retailers want, but it’s not what should be accepted by planners. The blanked out first floor with giant lettering referencing the store inside as a desperate exercise in damage limitation is as ridiculous as it is embarrassing.
While no fault of the building’s architects, the fitouts of the stores for what is a purpose-designed retail and commercial building are nothing short of dismal. I genuinely wonder where we have gone wrong since the early 20th century, and indeed since as recently as the 1960s, that retailing has on the one hand never had so much resources and effort poured into it, yet so spectacularly fails to articulate itself through either well chosen dramatic interiors of converted buildings, or in purpose designed architectural spaces.
Perhaps it was foolish of me to expect more of a speculative build, but I find it shameful that such a high profile structure in a prime infill site in the city can fail so miserably to confidently articulate itself in its interior design and its connection with the wider form of the building.
As any Zara whore can tell you, the company promotes some of the very best in retail design right across Europe. In many continental cities they occupy prestige premises in heritage buildings or host themselves in crisp and contemporary premises that conform to their wider image. I find it very difficult to believe that the outstanding opportunity to establish a purpose-designed flagship store just off a capital’s leading retail thoroughfare would be treated to such a dank, boxy, cramped, insular, poorly navigable fitout in Berlin or Barcelona or Prague, which in Dublin – like the one-off house in the countryside – is expressed through a paper thin veneer of fashionable shades of paint, luxurious material finishes and the random focal trinklet to guide attention resolutely away from the dismal lack of wider architectural expression. There isn’t even so much as a balcony, light well, mezzanine level, dramatic escalator shaft or even central displays to lend imagination to this supposed purpose-designed commercial building.
Don’t get me wrong, I think the finishes and wider decorative schemes employed to all the stores in this development are elegant and effective in their own right – especially Zara naturally – but the architect’s touch has been firmly kept outside the front door. Not so much as an opportunity lost, as a poor indictment of what we deem as being of importance when investing in our city.
November 9, 2008 at 12:16 am #743442gunter
Participant@GrahamH wrote:
– but the architect’s touch has been firmly kept outside the front door.
Graham, it was the architects who gave them the zig-zag glass box!
What did they expect the retail managers to do? In retail, glass facades above street level are no use to anybody.
November 9, 2008 at 12:24 am #743443GrahamH
ParticipantI know! They’re both culpable! Where were the planners in this? There should also be an addition in the upcoming review of the Development Plan to promote the best standards in retail design.
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