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  • #763783
    hutton
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    @ctesiphon wrote:

    It could always revert to the name it had before FP- Turnstile Alley? How’s that for prosaic? ๐Ÿ™‚
    Or something to do with one of the architects involved on the Parliament/BoI? I don’t think Edward Lovett Pearce is commemorated anywhere in the city, which is a great shame.

    Turnstile Alley? Thats wonderful! But then again given the activities of Castlereagh and the 30800 pounds that was used as bribes to secure the Act of Union, perhaps “Turncoat Alley” might be even more appropriate ๐Ÿ˜€

    Ah but in all seriousness, I think you might be right about commorating Edward Lovett Pearce. Given the rate of exaltation that a certain US fast food/ beverage outlet is getting, I can just see how it would be particularly appropriate, with a little motto:

    “Pearce Place – I Lovett”

    ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€

    #763784
    murphaph
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    Great little thread about a great little street, a street which I must admit I have never even walked down and I’m born and bred in Dublin! I always assumed it was private, somehow belonging to the BoI. That ex AIB is a wonderful building, just crying out to be used. This little gem of a street should not be connected to TB. The fact it’s a cul de sac is part of its charm.

    The Wesrmoreland St/College Green redevelopment will be very interesting. I really hope Luas line A is chosen and private motor vehicles are excorcised from this axis, along with O’Connell St/Bridge. The whole area would make a magnificent pedestrian plaza with Foster Place being a little shaded haen in the summer and a cosy enclosed space in winter, imagine those trees outside the ex AIB building as a bar/restaurant all decorated in twinkly xmas lights, lovely.

    #763785
    tommyt
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    It’s actually surprisingly quiet- even half way down Foster Pl. It is well worth a wander down, a little gem.One of the gaffs looks like it might be a private residence too! Have often wondered why BOI keep so many banking functions in operation from their entrance onto the place( I have picked up deliveries round there on numerous occasions), The Temple Bar plan alluded to above involved opening the enormous wooden door on the Westmoreland St. facade of the BOI and doing away with the bank’s rear offices and delivery yard as far as I can recall..

    #763786
    asdasd
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    I drank outside on Fosters place yesterday. Coffee, I mean, from starbucks. Shagging cold it was, but the seats were mostly empty which will not be the case in Summer. It was dark and Fosters place and the BOI was gorgeous. Great urban experience.

    ( Unlike the interior of SB which is too bright and too crowded. And I am not a detractor of Starbucks, I liked it when I lived in the US).

    Fosters place would be a good place for a london style subway enterance.

    #763787
    Devin
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    @asdasd wrote:

    Great urban experience.

    What, drinking & shagging?

    #763788
    GrahamH
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    lol – wouldn’t be surprise me though as it seems to be rather hot and steamy in there at the minute, completely jammers the three occasions I’ve passed at different times of the past two days. No one seems to want to go outside – suppose it is November…

    It’s not as anything spectacular has been done here now – think this thread is getting everyone’s hopes up ๐Ÿ™‚
    They have only chucked a couple of tables and chairs out onto a concrete pavement after all:

    Should be a delight to sit here during the summer in the dappled sun piercing through the plane trees, though you’d have to ask, why doesn’t the City Council install public seating here instead for the public to enjoy Foster Place, rather than preserve the area for the exclusive benefit of the customers of a retail outlet? If people want to bring their coffee out onto these seats then so be it?

    The real, secret reason ๐Ÿ™‚ everyone likes Foster Place is because it feels like London, not Dublin. The architecture is very much so that of London, as is the intimate historic atmosphere that is very rare in Dublin today; suppose the Castle Upper Yard would be one of the few other areas that still has this.
    Imagine living in one of the two townhouses here – surely the most desirable residences in Dublin?!

    Both of them were up for sale a few weeks ago.

    The only problem with ‘developing’ or ‘expoiting this underutilised area’ is that this will spoil the very essence of the place – it is perfect as it is: quiet, secluded and largely unknown. Though the way Bank of Ireland dominate the space as if they own it with security cameras and delivery trucks needs to change alright. You always feel you shouldn’t be there, and are being watched…

    #763789
    Morlan
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    @asdasd wrote:

    I drank outside on Fosters place yesterday. .

    How did you find the level of traffic? And those taxis, were they not a little annoying?

    #763790
    asdasd
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    The taxis are a bit annoying, but not overwhelmingly so. The place to sit is where the girl in the read coat is sitting. Away from Dame street traffic.

    #763791
    Morlan
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    Ah, some pics!

    It’s been a while since I was down Foster. I had it in my head the the Starbucks building was a quality corner structure.

    Now, the lower facade isn’t to bad. If only they’d used the same render on the upper floors, I think it would look much better.

    Not to dis your photos, Graham, but the place looks pretty cold and miserable, which it is.

    I’m going to take a trip down there myself tomorrow to see what the story is, shall return with pics.

    #763792
    GrahamH
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    Well it’s going to be

    shagging cold

    and miserable tomorrow too, so it ain’t gonna look much better ๐Ÿ™‚

    Always liked the corner building there, strangly decent and sympathetic to the BoI for what seems to be a 70s? building.

    Though compared with what used to be there – sob ๐Ÿ™

    #763793
    Morlan
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    Absolutely criminal. Lost in the 70s for whatever pathetic reason. ๐Ÿ˜ก ARGHH

    #763794
    ctesiphon
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    @Morlan wrote:

    Now, the lower facade isn’t to bad. If only they’d used the same render on the upper floors, I think it would look much better.

    The ‘render’ on the ground floor is in fact stone, the same stone as was used in the BoI and channelled in the same manner.
    Agreed though that as a 70s ‘infill’ it’s one of the best in the city.

    I never knew that the pair in the corner was for sale recently. (Not that I’d have been in a position… ๐Ÿ™ ) It’s been an ambition to call one of them home for a long time now. I wonder do they need a caretaker…?

    #763795
    Rory W
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    I don’t think Foster Place should be linked into Temple Bar whatsoever – it’s a charming little street, why spoil it by linking it into our “British Stag Night containment unit”. Trtust me the malignancy of chain restaurants and theme bars would soon creep in.

    The old AIB would make a fantastic high end restaurant, but it wouldn’t take off if it was tarred with the Temple Bar brush

    #763796
    Devin
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    Another plus for Foster’s Place as a public space is that it has a genuine historic stone sett surface (you can partly see it there in one of Graham’s photos) – the setts are tightly laid and comfortable to walk on, like you would find for example in a French city – whereas the sett surfaces in Temple Bar, which mostly date from the early ’90s, are not well laid and not very comfortable to walk on.

    #763797
    GrahamH
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    Indeed – a fine solid surface that adds such charm to the place:

    The granite kerbs around the bases of the trees are a nice touch.

    Wonder if the tunnel to Daly’s Club still runs underneath…

    #763798
    Devin
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    Yes, that’s nice. You can really see the quality there. It’s a gorgeous surface! The few genuine sett surfaces that survive around the city need to be jealously guarded!

    Temple Bar is a sham! Here is a typical FOUL stone sett surface in Temple Bar:

    #763799
    Richards
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    Can any ulity company dig up Foster Place or does the laid surface have some kind of protection?

    I often see road works in Temple Bar but as the coblestones were so badly laid, often the contractor conducting the works does a better job in reinstating them. However the situation in Foster Place is completly different that Temple Bar.

    #763800
    Alek Smart
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    Hey..!!! Where am I ……!
    Before anybody starts trying to prod DCC into action regarding Foster and Allen Place How about the Members of this Forum,well…the CONCERNED one`s at any rate,meeting up at Starbuck`s tooled up with Stanley Knives or Sharp Scissors.
    The reason for the Tools…….?
    After a suitably convened Emergency General Meeting the group would divide Commando Stylle (Draughty I know!) and set about Removing the Large Signs which remain tied to Lamp Standards and Poles throughout the City.
    These warn of O Connell St Being CLOSED between 1630 and 1900 or somesuch on SUNDAY the Twenty FECKIN Seventh of NOVEMBER !!!!
    Now anybody who was in Town on that day will probably want all memories of it repressed but some effort needs to be made to Get the City back on track.
    The Official DCC line,I fear,is to leave the Signs up (Facing AWAY from traffic) until the Gregorian Calendar once again aligns with Sunday being the 27th of November and the Chrisamas Lights needin to be lit an all…….!
    So c`mon who will be first up to the ockey on this one……..Owen Keegan and John Fitzgerald are reputed to have made a block booking for the Starbucks Al Fresco Tables so don`t get left behind boys n girls..!!!!! Snip Snip ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    #763801
    Morlan
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    Maybe we could replace those sodium bulbs on O’C Bridge lamps too ๐Ÿ˜ก

    #763802
    Alek Smart
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    Great Idea…..More Bang for your buck….so to speak ?

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