ESB Headquarters Fitzwilliam Street
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- April 20, 2009 at 12:12 pm #775405
jdivision
Participant@aj wrote:
if ever there was a case for pastiche then this is it… surely the entire fitzwilliam street facade must be reinstated or else we risk repeating the orginal mistake!
Unless they go for a Henrietta Street-style modern interpretation!
April 20, 2009 at 12:51 pm #775406aj
Participant@jdivision wrote:
Unless they go for a Henrietta Street-style modern interpretation!
dont even get me started about the conservation of Dublins Most importatn set piece!
April 20, 2009 at 3:22 pm #775407Paul Clerkin
KeymasterArchitects are being told to assume that all the existing buildings, except the protected structures will be demolished to make way for the redevelopment. The competition will be held by the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland and will be judged by a panel headed by ESB Chairman Lochlann Quinn.
April 21, 2009 at 10:51 am #775408jdivision
Participant@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Architects are being told to assume that all the existing buildings, except the protected structures will be demolished to make way for the redevelopment.
Which is precisely the opposite of what they were telling the media three weeks ago!
April 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm #775409cajual
Participant@Paul Clerkin wrote:
Architects are being told to assume that all the existing buildings, except the protected structures will be demolished to make way for the redevelopment. The competition will be held by the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland and will be judged by a panel headed by ESB Chairman Lochlann Quinn.
It’s not an RIAI competition…
April 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm #775410Service charge
ParticipantSome able minded person should pull the original georgian plans, redraw them and submit it!!!
April 21, 2009 at 2:09 pm #775411gunter
Participant. . . and send a servant around with a bill for five guineas!
April 21, 2009 at 2:45 pm #775412GregF
ParticipantA glass neon tower of 40 storeys or more with a pylon or windmill on the roof would be very apt here. Blacam Meagher & Co are no doubt drawing up the plans.
April 21, 2009 at 2:53 pm #775413ratsam
ParticipantNo doubt with a project of this size there will be a tough pre-qualification stage. Probably eliminate 80-90% of the firms in the country with it…! ;):mad: I’d be fairly confident from reading the above that there will be a big entry from overseas big firm architects…. the likes of Rogers, Fosters and maybe if we where lucky enough Herzog and De Meuron…! It’d be nice to see a HDM building built in Ireland.
Rats
April 21, 2009 at 3:52 pm #775414lostexpectation
Participantplease when and where can we round up all of the people responsible for the current hq and throw rotten fruit at them
April 21, 2009 at 4:14 pm #775415alonso
Participant@lostexpectation wrote:
please when and where can we round up all of the people responsible for the current hq and throw rotten fruit at them
CJH and Big Sam? Both no longer with us
April 21, 2009 at 4:16 pm #775416ctesiphon
Participant@ratsam wrote:
It’d be nice to see a HDM building built in Ireland.
I’m sure the DDDA is working on it as we speak. :rolleyes:
April 21, 2009 at 5:00 pm #775417tommyt
Participant@alonso wrote:
CJH and Big Sam? Both no longer with us
You have my full support if you wanna go piss on Neil Blaney’s grave as well if you’ve got the inkling for such behaviour.
April 21, 2009 at 5:24 pm #775418lostexpectation
Participantwhat about the big shots in esb, are those involved in the present hq still around
April 21, 2009 at 9:35 pm #775419alonso
Participant@tommyt wrote:
You have my full support if you wanna go piss on Neil Blaney’s grave as well if you’ve got the inkling for such behaviour.
if I can manage it after leaving 6 pints worth on Charlie’s
June 2, 2009 at 2:28 am #775420June 2, 2009 at 10:28 am #775421gunter
ParticipantAnyone know what the brief is?
I imagine item no. 1 may be:
‘contestants will provide one squillion sq.m. of office space’.The laugh is that this will probably end up in the bin with Sean Dunne’s ‘architectural’ competition winner for the Ballsbridge site, after Bord Pleanála have held it up to the light:)
. . . although mightn’t be so humorous if we all end up forking out a few more quid on our electric bills to pay for it!
June 2, 2009 at 11:32 am #775422Paul Clerkin
KeymasterI published the brief in this mornings newsletter…… maybe you should register….
June 2, 2009 at 12:13 pm #775423missarchi
Participant95% government…
It is also envisaged that an hourly rate applicable to the different architectural professional
grades will be submitted as part of the indicative fee proposal to allow for other services
that may arise during the course of the design process such as attendance at any oral
hearing.
a rate for life would be good! I’m not sure about Ireland but there is a minimum architects salary in other parts of the world that is different to the minimum wage? There is no architects union and architects don’t protest they listen to teachers;) good luck to who ever fills in those forms!June 2, 2009 at 1:06 pm #775424gunter
ParticipantThanks for posting the . . . ‘Strictly Private and Confidential’ . . . . brief :), I hadn’t spotted that!
Note that section C; Final Pass/Fail Criterion states:
”Provision of satisfactory references attesting to the applicant having previously delivered comparable design and development projects successfully and the manner in which the services were delivered”
A bit like the Sydney authorities precluding Jorn Utzon because he hadn’t done any other opera houses!
If I’m reading this right the competition is intended to produce three winners, is that the way others read it?
. . . but it’s not a proper two-stage competition, the picking of the chosed architect from this ”winning” three doesn’t seem to involve any further design consideration!!!
Presumably costs, including fees, are intended to be the suject of the final battle to the death. I notice that enclosed (and sealed) fee submissions are not intended to impact on the initial choice of the ”winning” three designs, but I didn’t see anything precluding a Dutch auction after that.
. . . not that architect fees should even enter this equation, this should be about righting a wrong, not about creating another opportunity to out-do the wrong already done.
I don’t know, I think archiseek is going to have to host it’s own parallel virtual competition, for those of us whose turn-over dips slightly under the €2.5 million 🙂
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