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    • #708872
      urbanisto
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      We often do this for buildings but what about streets and spaces in the city. What makes a ‘good’ street in Dublin? Whats your favourite? And more importantly what about those streets that fail to impress or are downright ugly.

      Having cycled down Richmond Road in Drumcondra this morning I can safely say its one of Dublin’s worst street. Its like a country lane that has never been paid the blindest bit of attention, in spite if the fact that it is a major traffic route in the mornings. Hilariously it is also turning into apartment city down there…..and there is not even a proper footpath in some parts!

    • #784305
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Pearse St is on my list of least favourites. Pollution, decay, constant traffic and in winter a fine wind tunnell.
      Without being completely predictable, but Dawson St always appeals in the sunshine.

    • #784306
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Ever wondered why exactly Pearse Street from Westland Row to Hawkins Street is so desolate and miserable compared to its mirror image, Nassau Street? They both have heavy one-way traffic. And if you know what’s wrong with this bit of Pearse Street, could it ever be fixed?

    • #784307
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Trinity have run that street into the ground. There is no interface between the buildings and the street, due to the fact that there is not one single shop left open. Nuzum Brothers shop front is a gem though.

      Don’t think I have any particular favourites, but Castle Street/Cork Hill would certainly be up there for some reason, along with Foster’s Place too.

    • #784308
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Re Pearse vs Nassau-
      A combination of Trinity (as Phil said), historic uses and distance from the retail/tourist core (not physical distance, but distance to travel- Trinity is almost impermeable on this side).

      Re favourites-
      My feelings on Foster Place are well documented by now :). I’d also include the stretch from Rathgar to Dame Street along Rathgar Road, Rathmines Road, Camden St, Wexford St, Aungier St and George’s St., which is a continuous line. Not a street exactly, but it does illustrate an interesting point- how one experiences a road/street greatly influences how one perceives it. My fondness for the above route is partly historic, partly aesthetic and largely bike-related. And streets I dislike are often ones that are difficult to cycle – too many parked cars, poor surface quality (isn’t that most streets in Dublin?), bad lighting, etc. – as well as aesthetically unpleasant ones. Though aesthetics can work both ways- some ‘ugly’ streets are up near the top of my ‘likes’ list because they have a vibrancy, cultural mix and character that would be eroded if they were prettified too much- Thomas Street, Dorset Street, the aforementioned George’s-Camden stretch, for example.

      I’m sure more’ll hit me as I get out of the office.:)

    • #784309
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      For me Parliament Street is the prettiest. It sums up a lot of what the Wide Streets Commissioners were trying to achieve: Perfect, in minature. From the truly grand City Hall, the exquisite 1780 block, the unique (for Dublin at least) Sunlight Chambers and even later editions such as the Porter House all contribite to something rather special. Its too bad that Capel Street was never straightened and finished off with something. Perhaps something equally continental like a church inspired by Saint Michaels in Hamburg; http://www.st-michaelis.de/. We can’t change history, and Pastiche went out with Victoria!

    • #784310
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      All –
      Inner city: Parliment Street, Dawson Street, Wicklow Street and now O’Connell Street. All of Georgian Dublin of course.

      Worst streets: In disagreement with previous I think that Richmond Street South (from Rathmines bridge at canel to the start of Camden Street) is a disgrace – particularly so when it has such potential and occupies such an important entrance to the city centre. Far far worse though is the inhuman motorway that is Cork Street!. Much the same from most of Clanbrassil Steet. Shane

    • #784311
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I always think Adelaide Road is a great street to walk along, particularly in summer time under the canopy of green from the trees.

      Lower Mount Street is appalling.

    • #784312
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @DGF wrote:

      I always think Adelaide Road is a great street to walk along, particularly in summer time under the canopy of green from the trees.

      Agreed although with the hospital apparently coming up for sale it’ll be interesting to see if the dynamic changes.

    • #784313
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Oh? That’s interesting – apartments or a hotel then? Hmmmm, I wonder… :rolleyes:

      Yes in the inner city, Dawson St would have to be up there as one of the very nicest. So lovely in every way, with its 70s stock also beginning to mature too. Were it not for the sinful demolition of the Royal Hibernian, it would be difficult to dispute the street’s status in the city 🙁

      It’s the wonderfully eclectic mixture of houses and shops, old and new, flagship buildings, mature trees, and variety of retail outlets that make it what it is, not to mention being clamped between all the hubs of the south city. And the perfect environment for splashing out in the many gentlemen’s outfitters every few years 😉

      South William Street would be up there too, along with Cork Hill, Westland Row, Molesworth Street (weirdly) , Foster Place, and even Henry Street in a roundabout way. But what a dismal state of affairs that so much of the north inner city is still the dump it was 20 years ago. I suppose its post-1916 grid-like pattern is never going to have the charm of the southside, but there’s still so much work to do in the public domain let alone properties.

      In terms of the worst, the stretch of Aungier Street from York Street to the Cuffe junction is one of the most depressing spaces in the city. Agreed that the whole Richmond-Georges axis is in terrible order, but it’s got a fantastic buzz to it, and there’s some fascinating old stock in the mix. Shopfront design is slowing improving too, but there’s a very long way to go yet. Parnell Street still amongst the wrost – indeed seeing the permanency of the very average stuff being now being thrown up has only made it worse. Lower Marlborough Streets still terrible also, but it probably has to be poor aul Sackville Place that gets the title of Dublin’s Ugliest Street. By a long shot.

    • #784314
      Anonymous
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      to defend richmond road; it was a working street until recently with tool hire depots and wholesale warehouses, i actually quite like its residual muscularity and all the really worst places are hellish nowhere streets inside housing estates.

      as for my favourite, the market streets are great and the obvious set pieces, like dawson street and gg north etc have well documented virtues, but how could anyone who lives in this city not pick the NCR; that great dublin adventure in a single road.

    • #784315
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Got to agree that Richmond Road is hard to beat.
      Dorset Street runs it fairly close and must be a ghastly introduction to Dublin coming from the Airport. Tells you all you need to know about our attitude to the built environment, no two premises much giving a damn about relationships – either of the ground floor to any higher floors – or to the building next door.

      Hawkins Street has one side of horror, sticky pavements and oil leaks from the generations of buses parked there. Only the odd back of the Gas company disqualifies it.

      Pearse Street for reasons already stated and the new work by TCD does not seem likely to improve it either.
      Nice streets – much of the Pembroke & Rathmines ex RDC’s streets for housing. Dawson & Kildare Streets but it is a harder call.

    • #784316
      admin
      Keymaster

      Worst the stretch of Sean McDermott St between Marlborough St and Gardnier St for pure lack of ambition, legoesque structures and the wind tunnel effect.

      Best

      Herbert Place for existing heritage value, adequate on street parking, amenity space and the quality of the existing developments and those planned on the opposite bank

    • #784317
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Best –

      Pleasant Street (except that the locals would eat your middle class children).

      Worst-

      That terrible street alongside the Coombe Hospital? (Possibly more a road than a street in fairness.)

    • #784318
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      That reminds me- I’m running low on middle class children. Best to stock up on them at this time of year as there’s a special on the sun-dried variety. Leave it any later and they’ll all start to develop Pajeronoma (‘SUV syndrome’ in layman’s terms), whereby the tasty, lean muscle built up over the summer turns to fat due to all activity being replaced by lifts from over-protective mummies. (Not yummy mummies- have you ever tasted one? Like eating an old shoe smeared with Bounty.)

      @Graham Hickey wrote:

      Yes in the inner city, Dawson St would have to be up there as one of the very nicest. So lovely in every way, with its 70s stock also beginning to mature too. Were it not for the sinful demolition of the Royal Hibernian, it would be difficult to dispute the street’s status in the city

      By the sounds of things, high end retailers might agree with you if the meeja are to be believed- Gucci, Prada and their ostentatious ilk are rumoured to be considering turning Dawson Street into Dublin’s ‘Fifth Avenue’. And there was me thinking we already had a Fifth Avenue…:rolleyes:
      (it’s in Rialto).

      Interesting, too, to note how certain streets are making both the good and bad lists simultaneously.

    • #784319
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Pajeronoma – Nice one ctesiphon, especially when one considers what pajero means in Spanish slang!
      Surely the street should be aping Madison Avenue, not Fifth? Madison is more expensive than Fifth, even if many of the “names” remain on Fifth.
      I’m not a big fan of the Hermes building on Madison (McKim Mead White). http://www.nyc-architecture.com/UES/UES010.htm
      Ralph Lauren deserve credit for maintaining Madison & 72 St – http://www.nyc-architecture.com/UES/UES046.htm
      Footfall is so high on Madison in Midtown and Upper East Side that designer retailers regard their premises as billboards and are content to run at a loss, regarding it as a justified advertising cost to reach that area’s wealthy residents. Cannot see that happening in Dawson St, even if Royston has moved out.
      KB2

    • #784320
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @KerryBog2 wrote:

      Pajeronoma – Nice one ctesiphon, especially when one considers what pajero means in Spanish slang!

      😮 Complete accident! I swear! I only discovered the other meaning this morning.

    • #784321
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @ctesiphon wrote:

      That reminds me- I’m running low on middle class children. Best to stock up on them at this time of year as there’s a special on the sun-dried variety. Leave it any later and they’ll all start to develop Pajeronoma (‘SUV syndrome’ in layman’s terms), whereby the tasty, lean muscle built up over the summer turns to fat due to all activity being replaced by lifts from over-protective mummies. (Not yummy mummies- have you ever tasted one? Like eating an old shoe smeared with Bounty.)

      By the sounds of things, high end retailers might agree with you if the meeja are to be believed- Gucci, Prada and their ostentatious ilk are rumoured to be considering turning Dawson Street into Dublin’s ‘Fifth Avenue’. And there was me thinking we already had a Fifth Avenue…:rolleyes:
      (it’s in Rialto).

      Interesting, too, to note how certain streets are making both the good and bad lists simultaneously.

      There’s a1st 2nd 3rd Avenue etc down around Sheriffo too, always makes me chuckle. ON a related note does anyone kn Avenue Road up off the SCR in Portobello that’s actually a back lane

    • #784322
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @ctesiphon wrote:

      That reminds me- I’m running low on middle class children. Best to stock up on them at this time of year as there’s a special on the sun-dried variety. Leave it any later and they’ll all start to develop Pajeronoma (‘SUV syndrome’ in layman’s terms), whereby the tasty, lean muscle built up over the summer turns to fat due to all activity being replaced by lifts from over-protective mummies. (Not yummy mummies- have you ever tasted one? Like eating an old shoe smeared with Bounty.)

      By the sounds of things, high end retailers might agree with you if the meeja are to be believed- Gucci, Prada and their ostentatious ilk are rumoured to be considering turning Dawson Street into Dublin’s ‘Fifth Avenue’. And there was me thinking we already had a Fifth Avenue…:rolleyes:
      (it’s in Rialto).

      Interesting, too, to note how certain streets are making both the good and bad lists simultaneously.

      There’s a1st 2nd 3rd Avenue etc down around Sheriffo too, always makes me chuckle. On a related note does anyone know Avenue Road up off the SCR in Portobello? it’s actually a back lane:D
      (The consumption rates of ABC1’s offspring may vary at either location)

    • #784323
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @ctesiphon wrote:

      By the sounds of things, high end retailers might agree with you if the meeja are to be believed- Gucci, Prada and their ostentatious ilk are rumoured to be considering turning Dawson Street into Dublin’s ‘Fifth Avenue’. A.

      Where was this? I heard plans for the Hibernian building which will be redeveloped might include high end retailers but no names were mentioned. I think it’s the wrong location for them anyway. However, office values have risen so much that it’s now more likely that offices will be developed on that site and on Shelbourne Dev’s one.

    • #784324
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Yup, tommyt- First to Fourth Avenues are off Seville Place. I’ve always liked the idea that someone lives in No.1 First Avenue, Dublin 1. But there’s no Fifth over there, alas.

      jdiv-
      I can’t recall precisely where I read it. Given your knowledge of these matters I was initially fearful that I might have dreamed it, but a colleague in work confirmed that he read the same thing recently. It might have been in Saturday’s Irish Times? Sorry I can’t remember. Could also have been a fashion story rather than a business/development one.

      PS Re amusing street names- A friend of my mother’s used to live at 123 Easy Street in Athens, Georgia.

    • #784325
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @ctesiphon wrote:

      .

      jdiv-
      I can’t recall precisely where I read it. Given your knowledge of these matters I was initially fearful that I might have dreamed it, but a colleague in work confirmed that he read the same thing recently. It might have been in Saturday’s Irish Times? Sorry I can’t remember. Could also have been a fashion story rather than a business/development one.

      Thanks, I haven’t seen anything about it but was on holidays for a while so didn’t know if I missed it when I was away and was hoping to read the piece if it was. Obviously they’ve previously been linked to McKillen’s scheme on South Anne Street (an extension of which is planned) but I hadn’t heard that they might open on Dawson Street itself.

    • #784326
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Yes twas in the Sat papers (cant recall which one), naming names and setting many a conspicious consumer’s heart aglow. The article also quoted the DCBA welcoming the announcement and also indicating that Business Improvement Districts are on their way.

    • #784327
      admin
      Keymaster

      Any links to the source of these Business Improvement Districts

    • #784328
      Anonymous
      Inactive
    • #784329
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @Shane Clarke wrote:

      I think that Richmond Street South (from Rathmines bridge at canel to the start of Camden Street) is a disgrace – particularly so when it has such potential and occupies such an important entrance to the city centre.

      There’s a huge planning application in at the moment to rebuild the whole derelict section of Richmond Street – i.e. from the laneway Gordon Place almost right down to Harcourt Road (two whole blocks). The architecture is standard noughties Dublin infill, by those prolific purveyors of same, HKR Architects. It’s on Additional Information at the moment. Details:

      <a href="http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3828/06&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%20Richmond Street app

    • #784330
      admin
      Keymaster

      That proposal is part of a much larger masterplan to redevelop 10 acres in conjunction with DCC

      http://www.hkr.ie

      It is in the master planning section

      Agreed on the rest of the street it is one of the most disapointing missed opportunities in the City; there is one particularly fine shop front on the left heading into the City that one fears for.

    • #784331
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Adelaide Road has always been one of my favourite’s when out for a Sunday walk.

      Dorset St. is depressing. It’s particularly grim after dark and a miserable approach to the city centre from the airport.

    • #784332
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      i think the portebello area has great streets; harrington st, synge street, grantham st and stamer street. a relatively quiet victorian residential enclave. palmerston road in rathmines also has a very dignified, gentile air about it. favourite square: great western square phibsboro, nothing fancy just a very pleasant spot

    • #784333
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I’d go for harcourt Terrace. For the ugliest Dorset Street, part of North King Street and Lower Mount Street.

    • #784334
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Best = Stephen’s Green, and most of the streets running off it (Cuffe St being the exception) Nice architecture, and a nice buzz.
      Worst = Talbot Street, Capel St.
      In fact, not to sound like a snob, but most of the north City Centre.

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