Dublin tall tower gateway…
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- November 19, 2003 at 9:41 am #706625
GregF
ParticipantSee a E400 million regeneration project is proposed for part of the Dublin Docks which will comprise of several towers which will act as a gateway for the city. Merchants Gate will be one of the largest developments in the docks and ‘will create a spectacular entrance to the city….there will be a wow factor just like the high rise buildings in New York or Chicago’ a quote from the Irish Times from the development’s prospector.
Seeing is believing!(No doubt the anti-high rise brigade are making up their ‘NO to High-Rise’ placards).
November 19, 2003 at 10:10 am #737323Andrew Duffy
ParticipantSource? I am a bit of a fan of this kind of thing…
November 19, 2003 at 10:13 am #737324GregF
ParticipantSource = the Irish Times commercial property supplement today.
November 19, 2003 at 10:26 am #737325Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThanks, I’d already found it:
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/commercialproperty/2003/1119/3444913181CPDOCKS.html
Sorry lads. A pair of 19-storey buildings will not generate a “wow factor just like high rise buildings in New York or Chicago”, as the buildings there are predominantly over 60 storeys high, with some over 100 stories. A pair of 19-storey buildings might generate a boredom factor equivalent to visiting Birmingham. Or Dublin, for that matter.
And they’re ugly too.
November 19, 2003 at 10:47 am #737326GregF
ParticipantAye …looking at the images, they are quite bland are’nt they…..just regular run of the mill shite that would be found anywhere else abroad ….ie a provincial British city etc… yet we are making a big thing outta them. Jesus help us!
Please could we get some striking styling done to invigorate them to make it worth while.
It is a sad reflection on us to to see that we consider a mere 19 storey tower block as ‘spectacular’. Jesus help us again ….have these people ever been outside the country.November 19, 2003 at 11:01 am #737327GrahamH
ParticipantBoring! (design)
And their wide, stoutness further diminishes their ‘landmarkness’. staggering downwards creating a crude Irish version of the Sears Tower.
Tall, elegant and slender please!November 19, 2003 at 1:10 pm #737328-Donnacha-
ParticipantAnd still far better than “The worst urban renewal scheme ever undertaken by man”, or whatever the DDDA are calling the rubbish they’re inflicting on the docklands at the moment.
In fairness the buildings mentioned here might generate a “wow” factor in Dublin, since even though they are quite bland, they’re absolutely and completely unique in the context of ultra unmodern Dublin.
November 19, 2003 at 4:12 pm #737329d_d_dallas
ParticipantThis is so funny – this is like Micheal McDowell raging on about the Donnybrook “tower” – comparing it’s HUGE scale to the MONSTER that is … um… Liberty Hall.
19 stories would make me go “wow” only if it actually got permission to get built.Use of the word “tower” a tad questionable too
November 19, 2003 at 4:43 pm #737330Anonymous
InactiveThe expression gateway has been used,
gateway to where?
November 19, 2003 at 4:55 pm #737331Paul Clerkin
Keymaster“gateway” is now a buzz phrase the developers think will make the planners go “ah grand go ahead”….. its like architects using “narrative” or “layering” when stuck….
November 19, 2003 at 5:05 pm #737332Anonymous
InactivePaul I couldn’t agree with you more between photomontages and buzwords it is very difficult to know what is going on. The problem is that quite often poorly thought out schemes get through on the basis ‘smoke and mirrors’ style cons
November 19, 2003 at 5:34 pm #737333Anonymous
InactiveAnother favourite buzz-word at the moment has to be “landmark building”. It is equally unclear and fuzzy.
November 19, 2003 at 5:55 pm #737334notjim
Participantit actually looks about right for the site, which is more jersey city than nyc and isn’t really a landmark location.
November 20, 2003 at 10:43 am #737335urbanisto
ParticipantAnother ”landmark” development is going up at the corner of Capel St and Little Mary St…. and guess what its about as bland as they come.
Other favourite busswords…. ”stunning”, ”outstanding”… for almost every housing devlopment.
As for location of Merchants Gate – wasnt this the Wiggs Teape site that was so brutally slaughtered one bank holiday weekend…?
Anyway its the best place for high rise in the city. As I have always thought…. goodbye lowrise, working class East Wall hello brave new shiny mega monster skyscraper 19 storey docklands!!
Stunning
Outstanding
November 20, 2003 at 12:28 pm #737336notjim
Participantno, it is south of the wiggins teape site, it was the ratheborne candle factory and other bits and pieces, the developers have been collecting it for years.
wiggins teape has planning permission for i think six stories of offices in five blocks, very suburban, ie bland. anyway they are hoping to change two of these to residential, planning pending.
why do people always want to knock down east wall, what about fairview, clontarf, marino? leave east wall, we need a variety of housing types and there is enough brown field in the area for high rise apartments and offices.
November 20, 2003 at 2:12 pm #737337Andrew Duffy
ParticipantWhich landmark on Capel St./Little Mary St. is this now?
November 20, 2003 at 3:23 pm #737338ro_G
ParticipantI wish certain idiot politicians would stop using the term Spatial too, until they at least have it explained to them peoperly. (I believe gateway also started passing into the public mind after the National Spacial Strategy)
November 20, 2003 at 6:00 pm #737339d_d_dallas
ParticipantThe notion of a gateway is a good one though – if ever put into reality. Example: arriving into Dublin from the north – either by airport or train is not an inpsiring image – but if you arrived into swanky well designed “wow factor” buildings your impressions would be much higher. You know what they say about first ones…
So piggybacking on this notion gives developers leverage with planners.November 20, 2003 at 7:17 pm #737340ro_G
Participantdoes that not move us into ‘form without substance’, or appearance without reality though?
November 21, 2003 at 4:20 pm #737341d_d_dallas
ParticipantSpeaking of Landmarks and all that malarky – London just approved a Renzo Piano designed jewel. It went through so much consultation and get reduced in scale and imapct several times – yet they still end up with a spectacular genuine “Landmark”. Can’t get the big pictures – check out http://www.rpwf.org/ for more…


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