Dublin Street Lighting
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@Graham Hickey wrote:
Which is why it is so very strange in light of this attention to detail (and lots more) that Jordan decided to merge the two streets opposite the GPO together into an imaginary street – Talville Row as it were 😀
You don’t want to see the stills of that, they’re too embarrassing….As I read your post that was all I could think of… poetic license taken to extremes! 🙂
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Oh go on then:
The Mansion House, Leinster House railings, Sheahan Memorial and Hammam Hotel all on the same street!!!
My minds still boggled that they can’t even be arsed to put the same colour temperature bulbs in the mutti headed fittings on the bridge, it’s a disgrace 😡
They lost a lot of credential in Michael Collins by messing around with the places so much, esp. putting the GPO at the end of a street :rolleyes: . That would even strike people as wrong who don’t really look at the city.
I imagine the 1903 post used in the film is a real one & not a replica.
Never thought of that – though there’s quite a few of them…
Yes the way they messed around with locations and buildings like playthings in a toy town certainly lost it a lot of credibility – especially this street opposite the GPO, with the geography of the city being so central to the Rising.
Agreed Plug about the lighting of the bridges – whatever about the replacement colour temperatures, most of the fittings aren’t even lucky enough to get replacement bulbs at all!
And as for the fittings themselves…..there’s some pics on the bridge poll thread.The lighting on the bridges generally is pretty ropey, its a bit of a bug-bear of mine as I’d love to get a crack at lighting one properly, the’re fabulous structures and could look so good if a bit of thought and artistry was put into them.
Admittedly the colour temperature thing could be seen as picky, but O’connel bridge is one of the citys landmarks and I thing desrves that extra care and attention, to my mind it just makes it look shoddy.
I couldn’t agree more about colour temperature as you’ve raised before – not a nit-picky issue in the slightest!
Not that the tacky green installed in the first place is worthy of replicating with replacement bulbs :rolleyes:
The whole quay lighting scheme needs to be reviewed, or rather one needs to be put in place!
An integrated scheme with regular posts along the entire length of the Liffey from Heuston to the Custom House, as well as proper sustainable bridge lighting, not a gimmicky short-term scheme ought to be put in place.But the big problem with colour temperature is with the lighting of major buildings such as lighting one half in nasty orange sodium and the other in white, and other similar ridiculous practices.
This is basic basic stuff.There’s examples of a lot of the old lamps in Archbishop Ryan Park (Merrion Square). They don’t seem to be in any particular order, nor is there any description given. Nice all the same though.
This image highlights the relationship between the scale of the posts and the buildings on the Southside of Fitzwilliam square. The traffic signs are not welcome.
Yes those flippin signs are tacked onto so many of these posts. If the will was there, plain black poles hosting the signs would simply disappear into the background if used.
Look at that ghastly 80s brick chimney between the two houses in the background – shiny red brick in place of brown stock :rolleyes:
Graham,
Its always a pleasure to read this thread – particularly with all of the period photos which you uploaded; I note that the thread title appropriatey has a lit bulb as the accompanying icon 😀
However I don’t know if I agree with your last comment as to “those flippin signs are tacked onto so many of these posts”; it would seem to me that this is probably the better practice than the more frequent one-pole-per-sign/ light/ camera that is done all around Dublin.
Take the junction on the south side of O’Donovan Rossa Bridge, opposite the Four Courts; between only the four corners of the junction, there are approx 18 poles holding lights and signs, and of course no attempt at consolidation. Poles stand side by side with all most military dignity and precision, each one bearing a singular sign or item as if it were their duty……And you have to ask yourself; “are the poles invading, or do they just multiply at night?”
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There’s a mystery pole-popper-inner operating in the city for sure anyway…
I totally agree Hutton about pole mania, but in the case of the Squares, the majority of parking tends to take place around the parks in the centre. Black poles holding these signs would have a negligible impact in front tof the railings and morass of hedging & trees etc.
I dislike seeing those signs adorn the historic silver posts in the Georgian areas – you wouldn’t be allowed attach signs to the houses’ railings – these are after all conservation areas. And I don’t mean that in a stuffy official way, rather these areas are some of the most enchanting places in Europe to visit, and a distinction should be made where possible between modern additions and the historic stock.But to apply your good point, if one were to use poles along say Upper Mount St, one can only imagine the view of them accumulating into the distance. Compromises have to be made in places, but a good guide I think is to use black poles along the perimeters of all the parks, while use the lampposts along the terraced sides.
Here’s one of two strange posts outside the Rubrics in Trinity that I’m sure everyone has wondered about 🙂
Anyone know anything about them, that is their rather starnge ‘attending feature’?!
I like the idea of the black poles around the Squares I think that the railings would kill most of the effect and give a good contrast to the signs making them clearer to drivers.
I like the idea of the black poles around the Squares I think that the railings would kill most of the effect and give a good contrast to the signs making them clearer to drivers.
You will find an unusual point of view about signage, on this link:
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3896&page=2&pp=25
What are all of the signs stuck in the ground, doing on Grafton St., anyhow?
https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=663
Street Lighting from Belgium pic attached. To be honest, when you think about ‘street lighting’ you don’t always have to imagine this thing stuck on the top of a very large pole – but that is the cliche that most of us have stuck in our heads unfortunately.
https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=876
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If the series ‘Behind the Hall Door’ is available on DVD, it would be about as good a starting point as any for the design of street lighting, as part of the urban space. In lighting interiors, the ‘Behind the Hall Door’ teams, went to pains in several of their episodes, to demonstrate how diverse lighting actually is, and what you can do with it, how many different things, lighting can actually be. I mean, this picture demostrates the approach where you stick everything on some kind of cantilevered pole object, and most of the time, it just contributes to dead space, in urban areas, which are already too conjested and unattractive.
https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=662
Why do you need those large protection bollards on Grafton St., anyhow? Here is just another simple example where lighting is used to turn a potentially disasterous utility kind of truck ramp, into an attractive looking piece of urban furniture.
https://archiseek.com/content/attachment.php?attachmentid=881
Even if lighting from on top of a pole, is a good way to provide basic levels of illumination to an urban space, there is still no need to go overboard on the design and embellishment of those poles. I think that some urban spaces here in Dublin could benefit from less ‘flowerly’ and visual loud lighting poles. That is why I tend to like the ones in the Belgian town picture above.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
Yes those Belgian posts are magnificent – striking pieces of street furniture. High quality design, materials and light emitted.
On a related issue, just looking at the images from London over the past few days, it’s finally struck me as to what gives London its established mature appearance. I could never pinpoint it exactly till now, obviously aside from its architecture – it is the street furniture. Every single lamppost, sign pole, traffic signal, railing and bollard is painted black – every last one in the city centre. It is extraordinary, not so much that everything is black as a colour, but the fact that care and attention, not to mention plain hard cash, is put into making the city’s furniture look well.
When one considers the galvanised rubbish that litters our capital, one can only laugh at the idea of authorities here being obliged to do the same. At least things are gradually improving with traffic signal posts in the centre being replaced with the brushed steel finish, even if they are a drop in the ocean.
As for the bollards on Grafton St you mention Brian, if you are ever there in the early morning you will see how they come into effect with pedestrians using the sides of the street, while vehicular traffic takes over the centre – till 10.30 :rolleyes:
Often wondered about this post below at the top of Parnell Square – there’s another what I think is an identical post at the junction outside the Bleeding Horse pub and Camden Court Hotel.
Anyone know if they’re original – being somewhat American in design, with vague influences of Art Nouveau…
They’re not originals they only went in a few years back when the CC had a fit of installing ‘heritage’ lighting on medians.. Nice though. Pity there’s only a couple of them.
OK, so technically it’s not a street, but at least we managed to avoid putting lights on a stick on a stick, and with a mixture of optics managed to highlight the building as well as wash the cportyard (tho the eagle eyed amongst you will notice from the “blob” of light in the bottom left that “someone” managed to put the wrong optical arrangement in one of the fittings ! (this has since been rectified)
That is an interesting image plug, would you consider having a look at the Liffey bridges thread in the polls section?
This image of the double lamp standard at Fenian St is interesting, I find it rare to find an aspect similar to this one with the post so well framed by the building behind.
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