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  • #764144
    GrahamH
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    3/7/2007

    Well, like clockwork, poor old Parks and Planters have been called out to save the day yet again in the case of the City Hall Plaza – only even their usual sensitive works aren’t safe from the blight of meagre resources. We now have bloated leafy wedding cakes fashioned from recycled 1980’s McDonald’s chairs dumped about the space in an attempt to enliven this sterile ‘civic amenity’.

    The finesse and consideration for the historic setting is striking.

    They’re utterly awful. Whereas I’d welcome any softening of the space, these just hammer home the point of how this area has been appalling designed from the outset. Can you just imagine a similar, supposedly tailor-made, architect-designed space in any other European city being scattered with frumpy floral planters? It’s akin to labouring over designs for a Meisian-inspired house and then putting up net curtains. And even the type of planter chosen here speaks volumes: I’ve seen better local authority models in regional towns! Not even half-decent timber or stone models used.

    Meanwhile on the historic granite paving fronting the plaza, further incisions have been made in the stone to accommodate more of these ghasty yokes generously termed litter bins.

    So not only are they hideous in their own right and in the historic setting, they also damage the paving on which they’re sited, are located in the wrong place for users of the plaza seating to avail of, and are plonked right in the way of pedestrians on this often crowded pavement! And why three in a row – in case you don’t see the first two?!

    What a mess: even after all the controversy over Robocop and the sterile square they still can’t get it right. And the place isn’t even finished yet either – the railings are still there shielding the sticks that were planted ages ago.

    Just as an aisde, as some consolation, there’s been a lovely job done with the planters on the Boardwalk. They’ve all been stained a more elegant dark shade, and have attractive architectural ferns with floral displays planted in them.

    A faintly exotic, Victorian whiff has been added to the Boardwalk. Nice job Parks Dept.

    #764145
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    Mmmm. Lovely. And the sensitivity with which the square holes for the trees were created is deserving of the highest praise too.

    I’m thinking of mounting an assault on the DCC toolshed to steal all the circular saws- who’s with me?

    #764146
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Did anyone see the plans for the plaza prior to construction ? I find it hard to believe that what we have now could have amounted to any kind of coherent landscape design for a major public space on paper;

    bland granite paving (poorly laid in some odd random pattern)
    raised granite seating (some merit in themselves but for fuck sake, more granite)
    4 carpinus trees (these twigs have to be an after thought, they wouldn’t cost more than 50 Euro each)

    and thats it ?

    I imagine DCC abandoned ship on whatever was proposed for the plaza once the botched new landmark emerged from the scaffold … the plaza, in fact the whole feckin project, really is dreadful.

    #764147
    manifesta
    Participant

    I was walking up Dame Street when I happened upon this allegory.

    #764148
    ctesiphon
    Participant

    Boo hoo.

    Oh, wait…

    *** *** ***

    I noticed on Dame Street today that there must have been one of those cascading planters left over from their insertion in the ‘plaza’ as one has landed at the top of Cow’s Lane. Or maybe it was making a break for freedom…?

    #764149
    constat
    Participant

    @ctesiphon wrote:

    Mmmm. Lovely. And the sensitivity with which the square holes for the trees were created is deserving of the highest praise too.

    I’m thinking of mounting an assault on the DCC toolshed to steal all the circular saws- who’s with me?

    And what about the Lilliputian trees themselves !
    DCC couldn’t have found any smaller if they tried; the trees will probably be fully grown in say…150 years :confused:

    #764150
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @GrahamH wrote:

    3/7/2007
    What a mess: even after all the controversy over Robocop and the sterile square they still canรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt get it right. And the place isnรขโ‚ฌโ„ขt even finished yet either รขโ‚ฌโ€œ the railings are still there shielding the sticks that were planted ages ago.

    Nice photos GrahamH – As if the new building wasn’t bad enough, it’s poor design is complimented with egually poor ‘landscaping’.
    The attempt at a tree lined avenue leading up to the rear entrance flight of steps flies in the face of aescetic values. A child with a decent range of lego pieces could make more of this space.
    What’s missing?
    1. A decent bench with back support. I suppose the idea with the square blocks is that if enough people sit on them and all lean back at the same time they can use each other for support!
    2. A focal point of interest – the central area here has been dedicated to spotted ‘seats’ and wedding cake planters. There could have been a central feature of interest around which the seats etc could have been arranged.
    3. An ashtray stand for those who have the consideration to use them – there should be one there at least
    4. Materials used should suggest a welcome atmosphere not cold bare industrial sanitised hardness on the eye.
    5. An overall shape which dictates the placement of individual elements – the seats are in a square matrix pattern yet the planters are randomly placed out of sync making it look disorderly overall.

    Also, the area between the seats and the wall to the right (incl. the tree lined avenue) space has been wasted here. More mature trees should have been introduced and dotted over the entire public area not kept to the back in a cluster

    As for bins……….
    The capacity of the new bin is quite small compared to the old large black type – One larger is better than 3 smaller, it’s unecessary triple maintenance and further clutter of our fine hand crafted flagstoned streets. The damage done to the granite in introducing these grey daleks is irreversible and criminal.

    Further, these flagstones should be worthy of protected structure status – which would in theory then require a planning application to carry out work on them. Then at least the public could participate in the decision making process!

    #764151
    Devin
    Participant

    UPDATE

    @Devin wrote:

    I got a reply to my complaint about the water metering job that the matter was being investigated. Still, poor quality work continued … For example, here is a Herbert Street water meter as originally shown (top picture), with the removed flag area temporarily ‘blacktopped’. Then the finished mess (above) …

    Why would you build a 3-inch thick ridge of cement in the pavement?……………… Why??!

    #764152
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    ah sure who’ll notice … :rolleyes:

    slightly off topic, but have a good look … !

    well maybe not so off topic … they’ve made shit of the place, while installing the shit bollards, never mind the shit paving.

    now ye have it ๐Ÿ˜€

    #764153
    Sarsfield
    Participant

    @Peter FitzPatrick wrote:

    slightly off topic, but have a good look … !

    Nice piece of Photoshop ๐Ÿ˜‰

    #764154
    henno
    Participant

    is that photoshopped????

    if not they really live up to the sterotype of a council worker…. thanks for the laugh…

    #764155
    alonso
    Participant

    ah that went round a few weeks ago… either there was just enough room or the mini hiace is now “public art”

    #764156
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Where is that Peter

    #764157
    Rory W
    Participant

    it’s in the UK – note the British Rail logo on the sign

    Also they could be the locing bollards which can be lifted – sorry to ruin the gag

    Agree about the shit paving job though

    #764158
    Morlan
    Participant

    @Peter FitzPatrick wrote:

    ah sure who’ll notice … :rolleyes:

    slightly off topic, but have a good look … !

    [IMG]http://www.webeireann.com/archiseek/bollards_ifsc.jpg[/IG]

    well maybe not so off topic … they’ve made shit of the place, while installing the shit bollards, never mind the shit paving.

    now ye have it ๐Ÿ˜€

    That’s a photoshop job. ๐Ÿ™‚

    #764159
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The forward i got said it was from the ifsc, not a chance, definitely uk somewhere …

    very observant picking out the Brittish Rail logo on the sign Rory :;)

    If Morlan says its a photoshop job, thats good enough for me !!

    #764160
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Am I the only one who doesn’t get this? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    #764161
    Morlan
    Participant

    @GrahamH wrote:

    Am I the only one who doesn’t get this? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    That van isn’t a permanent feature, Graham!

    It’s been going around a lot of UK forums titled “Irish builders”. A fitting title considering Devin’s investigations.

    #764162
    GrahamH
    Participant

    I still don’t geddit.

    Is the sand supposed to have fallen out of the van or what?

    (lol)

    #764163
    Morlan
    Participant

    @GrahamH wrote:

    I still don’t geddit.

    Is the sand supposed to have fallen out of the van or what?

    (lol)

    ๐Ÿ˜€ No Graham, the sand didn’t fall out of the van.

    How will they get the van out when they’re done?

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