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  • #793055
    Paul Clerkin
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    Gunter, that’s the beginning of the Royal Canal, where it enters the Liffey.

    #793056
    Anonymous
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    Sorry about that. The absence of the ‘canal’ beside it should have been a clue.

    #793057
    Anonymous
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    Some recent photos of the Graving Docks can be found here – they were taken last Easter when a number of wrecks were removed from the basin –
    One of the photos is shown below:

    #793058
    Anonymous
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    Great set of photos – how did they all get there in the first place? I hope they’re not all scrapped – presumably some ‘artist’ could do an assemblage of found objects – ‘The Spirit of Ringsend’?

    #793059
    Anonymous
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    #793060
    Anonymous
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    I came across a biography of one Bindon Blood Stoney (I kid you not) one of the chief engineers of Dublin Port in the mid 19th century, and it appears that there is another significant graving dock located at the north west corner of Alexandra Basin, behind the boundary on East Wall Road.

    This is a construction drawing of Graving Dock no. 1, which was begun about 1853 and opened on 9 February 1860.

    This graving dock fell into disrepair after a second, bigger, graving dock was built as recently as the 1950s. Apparently the proposal now is to fill in Stoney’s granite Victorian graving dock with sand to preserve it and facilitate redevelopment.

    Stoney was apparently also the man behind that huge iron diving bell contraption which sits on the south campshire at Sir John Rogerson’s Quay. This was a dredging work station which was lowered to the river bed and pressurized to allow labourers to manually dig the river bed and prepare an even surface to receive giant precast blocks of quay wall.


    I will look at this thing with new respect the next time I go past.

    #793061
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    I didnt know of the graving dock, but I did know about the bell….

    the dock is pretty impressive but obviously not used – judging by the amount of rubbish behind the gates in these shots

    would love to see it close-up before its filled in

    #793062
    Anonymous
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    Great pics – I’ve always been fascinated by these graving docks (we have a series of them here), but they seem to be prone to the vagaries of the ship repair market and no-one seems to have a clue what to do with them once they’re no longer needed for their primary purpose. Yet, as artifacts they are superb (apart from their intrinsic historic value) and they seem to be crying out for active use. Aquarium? Exhibition space? Workshops/offices? (All assuming the ability to roof them over and successfully dealing with the small question of the sea wanting to rush in!)
    Alternatively, they could be used as a ‘feature’ framed by development on either side.
    The worst thing to do is to fill them in and pretend they never existed.
    Project anyone?

    #793063
    Anonymous
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    Varanasi on the Liffey?

    @gunter wrote:

    fill in Stoney’s granite Victorian graving dock with sand to preserve it and facilitate redevelopment.

    Does not compute. First we get ‘preservation by record’, now preservation by burial?

    This is a pretty remarkable piece of Victorian engineering. It should be a centrepiece of any redevelopment, not a foundation.

    #793064
    Anonymous
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    @ctesiphon wrote:

    Does not compute. First we get ‘preservation by record’, now preservation by burial?

    This is a pretty remarkable piece of Victorian engineering. It should be a centrepiece of any redevelopment, not a foundation.

    The filling in with sand was secondhand information, may not be reliable, although filling in things does sound like the prefered modus operandi of Dublin Port Company, at the moment.

    On re-reading the article, I think Bindon B. Stoney over-saw the construction of the graving dock, but it may have been designed by George Halpin II.

    It’s supposed to be 80 feet wide (not sure is that at the top or the bottom) and 400 feet long, being built to accommodate the latest mail steamers. Apparently it cost over £116,000 back in the day and it only went out of service in 1989!

    I agree that it would be nice to think that someting this impressive would merit a better fate than to be back filled and forgotten, but surely the ideal solution is to fix the gates and keep it in use! Do you not have to paint the bottom of boats any more?

    #793065
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    btw this building is named after Bindon Blood Stoney

    And here is more of his work
    https://archiseek.com/2012/1879-design-for-swing-bridge-dublin/#.UJvRIsXA914

    #793066
    Anonymous
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    @Paul Clerkin wrote:

    btw this building is named after Bindon Blood Stoney

    Aah- I wondered.

    My first guess was something to do with bankers…

    #793067
    Anonymous
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    The street that runs perpendicular to the river is also called blood stoney street.

    The graving dock could make a great outdoor swimming pool!

    #793068
    Anonymous
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    @ctesiphon wrote:

    my First Guess Was Something To Do With Bankers…

    Ha!:D

    #793069
    Anonymous
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    Re: Phibsboro dry dock, it was at one time the property used by the Phibsboro 19 th (“Panama”)Scout troop. I was in that scout troop back in the late ’60’s-early ’70’s. When we were kids, we thought it was an empty swimming pool ! I seem to remember the prison turned it into a parking lot for the officers.

    #793070
    Anonymous
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    Interesting to note from the birds eye images that the southern aspect was taken well before or after the other aspects given the ships in the larger graving dock are different. Always thought they were taken at the same time.

    #793071
    Anonymous
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    @gunter wrote:

    Stoney was apparently also the man behind that huge iron diving bell contraption which sits on the south campshire at Sir John Rogerson’s Quay. This was a dredging work station which was lowered to the river bed and pressurized to allow labourers to manually dig the river bed and prepare an even surface to receive giant precast blocks of quay wall.


    I will look at this thing with new respect the next time I go past.

    Wow, thanks a mil for that little pearl of information, I have been wondering what on earth that thing was for ages, impressive stuff, must have been quite a horrible job… 🙂

    #793072
    Anonymous
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    That’s an incredible piece of kit. There was a hole cut into it when it was restored 8/9 years ago and the iron is about 4 inches thick!

    #793073
    Anonymous
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    Anyone have any information on the constructional make up of the dock walls and/or the graving docks down in grand canal basin? I have information on the later dock walls built 1871 but have nothing for GCD which was completed 1796! Would welcome any suggestions…

    #793074
    Anonymous
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    I visited the site of the Graving Docks today and found that the third dock that had recently been excavated has been completely filled in. Maybe it wasn’t filled in but has gone altogether. There is some clearing of the site going on. Does anyone know exactly what became of the third dock? When I last saw it, which wasn’t too long ago, a lot of the individual pieces of cut stone had been numbered in yellow paint.

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