Dublin Fruit Market
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much prefer the first proposal myself, more solid looking like a european style piazza on a more human scale. I could imagine it being lined with cafes while the second feels more like a gimiky shopping centre that will be torn down in ten years.
Also thats not a new square to the north ctesiphon just not part of the development.Will be good to see this neglected area of the city redeveloped, and then there’ll be the massive Arnott’s redevelopment further up the street. More additions to the city. Any move on the Moore Street Mall debacle? It’s dragged on for to long.
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Also thats not a new square to the north ctesiphon just not part of the development.
I wondered about that after I posted, because there’s the footprint of a building on the site in that image above. Thanks for the clarification.
Is this badly needed project going ahead or is it chopped due to the resession? does anyone have any info?
Would anyone have any idea who carved the sculptures on the label stops of this building? I am doing a project on this building and have not come up with any concrete attribution yet.
There also seems to be no original plans/drawings/elevations by the original architect Spencer Harty… I would LOVE for someone to tell me otherwise!!
Have you tried Christine Casey’s Buildings of Dublin? I’ll look tomorrow. Also try the Irish Architectural Archive. They might have plans. Or the City Archive in Pearse Street.
According to Christine Casey:
“Delightful, freely modeled terracotta label stops of fish, fruit and vegetables supplied by Henry Dennis of Ruabon, though the template has been attributed to CW Harrison. The figures of Justice and Fair Trade over the Mary’s Lane entrance are by Harrison”
A fabulous book! God bless you Christine.
Its mentioned in the new City Development Plan. I think it needs to figure more strongly though. Its a shame to see the Markets building degrading already.
Thanks a million StephenC. I had seen that entry, but there are no sources for her claims so I am reluctant to rely on it completely. As Harrison’s was the biggest sculptural firm at the time in Dublin as well as the fact that they definitely carved the Justice and Peace figures would lead me to think that the label stops have a high likelihood of being by them. I would just love some primary evidence of the fact! There is nothing in the IAA or in Pearse Street which is a pity.
On the whole issue of the project moving forwards… I was in touch with someone in the planning department who said he’d be very surprised if this did not happen in the next five years.
Some new for this part of the city from today’s Irish Times
Dublin business group seeks to revive rejuvenation plans for ‘city markets’
The Dublin City Business Association yesterday published the Capel Street and City Markets report which focuses on the Capel Street and markets area as two distinct but linked districts.
OLIVIA KELLY
PLANS TO redevelop Dublin city’s Victorian fruit and vegetable markets and surrounding area that collapsed two years ago are being revived by the Dublin City Business Association (DCBA).
Dublin City Council in 2005 published the Markets Framework Plan, a €425 million urban regeneration scheme for the north inner city area surrounding the Victorian Fruit and Vegetable Market, the former fish market and the Daisy Market.
Under the plan, the wholesale fruit market was to be converted into a high-end retail food market, retaining some wholesalers and introducing restaurants. The fish market site would be turned into a civic square surrounded by shops, offices and apartments, and the Daisy Market would be developed as a three-storey sports, leisure and community centre.
In late 2007 a consortium led by Paddy Kelly, one of the principal developers involved in the regeneration of nearby Smithfield, was selected by the council as the preferred bidder for the regeneration project. Restaurateur Patrick Guilbaud and the Exchequer Street restaurant, wine bar and high-end grocers Fallon Byrne were identified as potential anchor tenants for the scheme.
However, agreements were never signed and Mr Kelly’s property empire subsequently collapsed. Earlier this year, the council sought to turn part of the site, the Daisy Market, into a waste depot and recycling facility but was blocked by councillors.
DCBA yesterday published the Capel Street and City Markets report, which it said is a strategy to rejuvenate the area as a “distinctive shopping environment†and create a “gastronomic centre for the city†without relying on property developers.
The plan focuses on Capel Street and the markets area as two distinct but linked districts. The report notes that the council has had several plans for the regeneration of these areas since the 1990s, but while nearby areas such as Henry Street have improved dramatically over the last two decades Capel Street and the markets have remained substantially run-down.
The centrepiece of the area, the fruit and vegetable market should be rebranded as “City Markets†and developed along the lines of the English Market in Cork with small businesses selling indigenous products. Unlike what the report describes as the council’s “rather grandiose plans†for the markets which are now “unachievableâ€, the markets should be developed gradually, with the small number of existing fruit and vegetable wholesalers encouraged to develop a retail element where practical.
The council, which still owns the market should upgrade it so it would be suitable and attractive for other food retailers. They in time would attract associated businesses such as restaurants, cafes and cookery schools. Capel Street would then benefit from the increased pedestrian flow of shoppers from Henry Street towards the City Markets.
Almost a quarter of the premises of Capel Street are vacant and others house “undesirable†businesses such as adult shops, or have shop fronts which are inappropriate to the architectural character of the street. The council should use its existing planning powers to eliminate these problems, the report said.
Mary’s Lane, which links Capel Street to the markets should be pedestrianised, it continued, and a new Luas stop should be located behind the markets.
DCBA chief executive Tom Coffey said the initial upgrade of the Victorian market would cost the council less than €1 million and would be a catalyst for the development of the area.
Another Luas stop? There’s less than 400 yards between the existing ones. If people are too lazy to walk the 200 yards, then I’m not sure they need to be facilitated with another Luas stop to make the journey to Tallaght even more interminable.
I wonder what will replace the revenue garnered by DCC running the site of the demolished fish market as a surface car park within those 250 metresof a LUAS stop.
“Extensive surface car parking to the front of developments, which detracts from the character of a centre and discourages pedestrians, should be avoided and parking standards should be in accordance with the relevant Development Plan standards.”
“POLICY T2
It is the policy of Dublin City Council to encourage modal change from private car use towardsincreased use of more sustainable forms of transport such as public transport, cycling, and walking, and by encouraging teleworking and carpooling and car-sharing.”“Restrictions on the use and cost of on street
parking will be kept under review and changed,
as necessary, in order to discourage commuter
parking and to facilitate short term parking for
shopping, business and leisure purposes”Since when were ‘adult’ shops a problem? Too much like shopping for grown-ups (as opposed to the infantile notion of ‘retail therapy’)?
Its a small site beside the Fruit & Veg market. Left and straight down as you approach the Market from Marys Lane
Whatever they do, keep them markets, Dublin has the best access to local grown food of all capital cities in Europe right? Make use of that..
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