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well suppose you can take it as read that they’re always going to look for it …
O’leary should withdraw his objection to T2, his hamburg stunt fell flat on its face. He is part of the problem out there, early construction of T2 is far more important than his petty battles with DAA.
Area 14 opens tomorrow, all Aer Lingus flights to UK will now check in there as O’Leary would fairly typically not cooperate.
The point of getting rid of Aer Rianta was to get people capable of doing things in a clear and logical way.
That opportunity has not been taken and another board of players has been assembled
so are you dismissing the current daa board on the basis of this increase request ?
I would apportion more blame to government & unions for the airports situation.
And the rest; the airport has not been a pleasant user experience since most people were too poor to fly.
Aer Rianta or DAA please tell me what they have changed. Other than an agreement for sale on their stake in Brumm airport which incidently is a far more pleasurable experience than Dublin despite Birmingham being a dump in comparision in urban terms
Whether it was aer rianta or daa both could do shag all in real terms until government finally gave approval for T2.
Since final approval came, DAA have moved pretty quickly IMO to get this thing through the design/planning stages & i’m prepared to give them a break.
Architecturally T2 is sterile & little more than standard, not at all what i’d want as Ireland’s main point of entry but given the severe capacity pressure there’s no time for more than this off the shelf solution.
O’Leary’s objection is wreckless, not that he gives a toss.
Che Breanan announced the establishment of the DAA as a brave new dawn and a watershed where things would actually happen:
Fast forward almost 4 years later what exactly has changed for the passenger?
http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/5550-0.pdf
O’Leary is one airline operator the platform is the real problem
No rail link Irish rail could have had this built if their 2004 Dublin Rail plan was implemented
No new terminal
No second runway
Nada
Zilch
Nothing
Sorry a portacabin walkway half a mile long
O’leary is largest airline operator at da, all the more reason why his petty self serving objections are obscene. Incidentally, he’s more than happy to dump his passengers at the end of the portacabin terminal.
Government and the unions Bertie was too afraid afraid to upset are directly to blame for delays only finally sanctioning T2, which includes second runway last year. No point in blaming DAA when they can do nothing without sanction of government.
Pier D wouldn’t have been necessary if T2 got the go ahead 5 years ago as it should have.
Blame O’Leary til your blue in the face but
The buck stops with the Government they have done nothing and wasted the time of some very high calibre individuals.
Without O’Leary you would be paying Aer Lingus Cannes style fares for the Darfur standard of service that is Dublin Airport.
One seat in Dublin North dictates aviation policy for the state.
Priceless
I have just said in the previous post and my first post that government are directly to blame, but now when a decision is finally made, this shit head comes along to stall the whole show for his own ends.
@PVC King wrote:
Che Breanan announced the establishment of the DAA as a brave new dawn and a watershed where things would actually happen:
Fast forward almost 4 years later what exactly has changed for the passenger?
http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/5550-0.pdf
O’Leary is one airline operator the platform is the real problem
No rail link Irish rail could have had this built if their 2004 Dublin Rail plan was implemented
No new terminal
No second runway
Nada
Zilch
Nothing
Sorry a portacabin walkway half a mile long
Which is more than Cork gets! Passengers in Cork would no doubt be delighted with portacabins instead of a similar walk out on the tarmac in the rain.
I agree though, the current mess is no better than the old days.
Well, having witnessed how the CAA/DAA/Aer Rianta pissed away zillions in building Cork’s new terminal and facilities, I would be wary of entrusting them with building anything bigger than a sandcastle. We all know DUB has a serious problem re facilities and needs some action quickly. The problem is I don’t trust the DAA to do the job effectively.
I don’t think that they have been given the independence from Dept of Transport to do it well.
Out of interest how do you rate the Board of CAA?
If they had independence could they get the site right and be trusted not to line their own pockets?
In Dublin we have gone from Aer Rianta who were left to fester for decades to a situation where a World Class Board can’t wipe their nose without Martin Cullen hiring consultants to consider the consequences of Kleenex dust.
As we all know nothing Martin touches ever works
well at least Cullen is unlikely to be back again, labour transport minister on the cards i reckon.
Would prefer to see Eamon Ryan if FF are kept out or Dermot Ahern if they stay in
Don’t get me wrong I have no problem with the Irish Labour party but the SIPTU funding does provide a clear conflict of interest given the work practice reform required at CIE
Bottom line FF don’t deserve to stay in given that Che promised utopia and delivered fupp all and Cullen just blundered through with all funds going to roads; no use taking 20 minutes off the drive to the airport if it takes 2 hours to get through it.
Stansted is a dream arrive an hour before your flight and you still have time for a relaxed drink
The problems at Aer Rianta stem from the days when Noel Hanlon was in charge. Many of the top management just gave up under his rule and anyone with talent left like rats from a sinking ship. The result has been paralysis in terms of decision making as the present management is extremely weak and are mere puppets in north Dublin politics. The organisation is run from the perspective of what benefits the unions and the vested interests. The users, pax, and the general public get the short end of the stick I’m afraid.
As for Cork, I think that while new facilities were badly needed but the project costs just skyrocketed – which is what happens when there is no good oversight/project management and when the parties involved know the state will be footing the bill! Meanwhile the debate has got bogged down on a political promise (always dodgy) rather than focusing on how it all went tits up in the first place. No one got sacked, reprimanded, or otherwise blamed. The show just goes on, and I fear that we will be heading for another disastrous and costly sequel in the case of DUB’s new terminal.
As for the CAA and their management credentials, I have no idea how competent they are although early signs are not too encouraging (hiring another set of consultants to tell them what to do when dealing with HQ sounds like a cop out, and an expensive one at that!). However, I think SNN and ORK should be responsible for their own actions and should be cast away from under the DAA’s shadow and let to fend for themselves. At the very least, the CAA will be answerable to themselves and the people of Munster and the whole ‘It’s Dublin’s fault’ will no longer be a reasonable answer/excuse. Alas, Cork Airport in particular has many issues re its location (the windiest and wettest part of the county) and if independence comes with a 100m Euro debt the the airport will basically struggle to survive as a going concern.Whilst I’d gladly give everyone in the DAA a good hiding for their ineptitude and the fact that they are more interested in running a fucking shopping centre than an airport (“You can take your time” – bollocks to that I went to get a flight not a side of salmon) the buck stops with the Minister for Transport. Given that Brennan was sacrificed on the alter to appease the unions and that buffoon Cullen was brought in to dither and procrastinate whilst the airport became like something out of the black hole of Calcutta just goes to show how out of touch these people really are. It’s a pity you cant throw out the DAA along with the minister.
God almighty anything to do with infrastructure they completely fuck up in this country
@corcaighboy wrote:
The problems at Aer Rianta stem from the days when Noel Hanlon was in charge. Many of the top management just gave up under his rule and anyone with talent left like rats from a sinking ship. The result has been paralysis in terms of decision making as the present management is extremely weak and are mere puppets in north Dublin politics. The organisation is run from the perspective of what benefits the unions and the vested interests. The users, pax, and the general public get the short end of the stick I’m afraid.
As for Cork, I think that while new facilities were badly needed but the project costs just skyrocketed – which is what happens when there is no good oversight/project management and when the parties involved know the state will be footing the bill! Meanwhile the debate has got bogged down on a political promise (always dodgy) rather than focusing on how it all went tits up in the first place. No one got sacked, reprimanded, or otherwise blamed. The show just goes on, and I fear that we will be heading for another disastrous and costly sequel in the case of DUB’s new terminal.
As for the CAA and their management credentials, I have no idea how competent they are although early signs are not too encouraging (hiring another set of consultants to tell them what to do when dealing with HQ sounds like a cop out, and an expensive one at that!). However, I think SNN and ORK should be responsible for their own actions and should be cast away from under the DAA’s shadow and let to fend for themselves. At the very least, the CAA will be answerable to themselves and the people of Munster and the whole ‘It’s Dublin’s fault’ will no longer be a reasonable answer/excuse. Alas, Cork Airport in particular has many issues re its location (the windiest and wettest part of the county) and if independence comes with a 100m Euro debt the the airport will basically struggle to survive as a going concern.Very good post.
Tho a lot of Corks problems could easily be solved if they scrapped the CatII landing system and put in a CatIII. I am flabbergasted that this wasnt done as part of the new terminal project.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/1001/airport.html
http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/media-centre/press-releases/132007.html
So it begins…..
Never was a fan of Aer Rianta or DAA at the start but fair play to them for ignoring Ryanairs threats against a project that is blatantly needed urgently. I have great respect for Ryanair as a company but their motives are not for the public good regarding this project and I would hope common sense prevails on their behave. The terminal will be what it will be – its under construction – so lets just get on with it without the petty childishness. They should concentrate now on the 3rd terminal and leave this one be. Any thoughts?On a different note this means the demolition of Corballis House – the old house (that looks rather out of place, it has to said) – approaching the current terminal.
I dont know about a Terminal 2, seems to me that with current capacity (and the fact that Gatwick manages fine), that Terminal 1 should be bulldozed and replaced by a proper one. Two terminals seems unnecessary, but I suppose its at least planning for the future built.
I dont know about a Terminal 2, seems to me that with current capacity (and the fact that Gatwick manages fine), that Terminal 1 should be bulldozed and replaced by a proper one
Gatwick has a North and South terminl which are basically 2 terminals and if we bulldozed our terminal what would we do while the new one was being built?
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