dublin airport terminal
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The timing of the opening is certainly ironic. Given the prvious scenes of emigrants departing from Dublin Airport prevviously there’ll be a very hollow ring to the goodbyes in the spanking new building. But, is it not something we need for the next 20 years no matter what happens??
Fair point it may be required; at some point in the next 20 years things will look better they do now; but clearly that day will not come until comments like those below cease:
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Passing through Dublin Airport last week, I was confronted with the image of the curved and reflective elements of Terminal 2 the its equally sleek raised walkway to the new parking facility immediately halted by the crude boxed elements that constitute a continuation of that same walkway and the parking structure itself. Whilst I accept that there is a limited scope to enchance the multi-storey garage, especially given that it was delivered through a design-build format, I believe that the transition in the walkway could not have been handled more clumsily.
Fortunately, I do not have an photo of this horror to share.De Paor project in the new Terminal at Dublin Airport, attractive if a little fussy:
http://www.dezeen.com/2011/01/20/oak-bar-by-depaor-architects/@kefu wrote:
De Paor project in the new Terminal at Dublin Airport, attractive if a little fussy:
http://www.dezeen.com/2011/01/20/oak-bar-by-depaor-architects/looks like that trip he went on in Venice is still wearing off
unfortunately the nature of such large airport spaces breeds this kind of thing – it forces people into “installation” mode. It instills the need to inject “human scale” when perhaps the form of the surroundin gbuilding is strong enough to exist without it. It’s better than anything at Stanstead anyway
Passed through T2 yesterday. How disappointing from an architectural and design point of view.
Firstly, I do not believe the building is particularly functional. I disembarked the plane to find myself with a Pier D favourite: a stairs. Why oh why. 100 people carrying heavy bags, with push chairs and a wheel chair do not want to climb a stairs or queue for one lift. How does a stairs encourage the free flow of people and ease of passage.
The stairs was followed by a long walk, unaided by a stopped travelator. This transit was finished at the passport control where another old DAA favourite was waiting: a maze of belt barriers. I then entered a relatively cramped baggage hall, which seemed to be a carbon copy of T1.
Beyond this I found myself in arrivals and lost. I wanted to head over to T1 but there was not a single sign pointing in that direction. So I was forced to exit in the island between the car park and terminal. Found the busses there, but again typical DAA no electronic display relating to public transport. So had no idea where busses went from, just an aircoach guy selling tickets from a temporary stand.
Apart from the function issues above the design did not particularly impress me. Lots of glass but little to see through it. Very bland, no colour and certainly no character. No jaw dropping moments.
And as said the baggage hall was particularly small and cramped. As this is the area most arriving passengers spend time I would have expected a grand hall or at least an airy one; I found neither.
Again as someone said above the car park and terminal bear no relation to each other with the terminal tunnel simply stopping and carpark square design taking over. No gentle merger or integration.
Generally it reminded me of a shopping centre, Clarehall perhaps.
Bad design, poorly implemented and incompetently managed.
DAA showed they can’t manage T1, they should not have been given T2. The gross lack of public transport information and organisation is a national disgrace given the importance of tourism to the country.
@Service charge wrote:
Passed through T2 yesterday. How disappointing from an architectural and design point of view.
Firstly, I do not believe the building is particularly functional. I disembarked the plane to find myself with a Pier D favourite: a stairs. Why oh why. 100 people carrying heavy bags, with push chairs and a wheel chair do not want to climb a stairs or queue for one lift. How does a stairs encourage the free flow of people and ease of passage.
Thats nut’s, lifts fail particularly whilst being broken in; no less than 3 lifts is adequate for any modern transport hub.
@Service charge wrote:
The stairs was followed by a long walk, unaided by a stopped travelator. This transit was finished at the passport control where another old DAA favourite was waiting: a maze of belt barriers. I then entered a relatively cramped baggage hall, which seemed to be a carbon copy of T1.
I get the small baggage hall; the incentive in short hall is to assist airlines turn planes around in 45 mins as thats how airports charge for apron fees; consequently as airlines introduced baggae charges people carry small luggage which just hits the size and weight of their allowance of cabin bags; always wondered why Ryanair never sold cabin bags versus scratch cards :shifty:
@Service charge wrote:
Beyond this I found myself in arrivals and lost. I wanted to head over to T1 but there was not a single sign pointing in that direction. So I was forced to exit in the island between the car park and terminal. Found the busses there, but again typical DAA no electronic display relating to public transport. So had no idea where busses went from, just an aircoach guy selling tickets from a temporary stand.
Crazy, first impressions of a country matter, it reminds me of the St Pancaras farce in London where a €1bn regeneration project saw the flashiest station renovation forget to install a single atm; different currency zone, no signage, :think:
@Service charge wrote:
Again as someone said above the car park and terminal bear no relation to each other with the terminal tunnel simply stopping and carpark square design taking over. No gentle merger or integration.
Generally it reminded me of a shopping centre, Clarehall perhaps.
Bad design, poorly implemented and incompetently managed.
To be honest a serious shopping centre wouldn’t make that kind of mistake.
@Service charge wrote:
DAA showed they can’t manage T1, they should not have been given T2. The gross lack of public transport information and organisation is a national disgrace given the importance of tourism to the country.
DAA was created along with CAA and SAA http://www.shannonairport.com/gns/about-us/dublin-airport-authority.aspx
The reasoning was that Aer Rianta had made such a mess that a new start was required; what we got was a change in name only the other two airports are merely subsidiary companies. One of the priorities of the next Government will need to be to bring in a strategic equity partner to sort out the Aer Rianta mess; the name may have changed but there is no way the taxpayer interest is being maximised; with the level of facilities in Dublin the taxpayer should be receiving massive annual dividends as landing charges are high and service provision low; instead of funneling this money back to the taxpayer we get terminals that are overspec on glazing but underspec on basics like escalators and lifts.
I would ask the question of the Aer Rianta/ DAA board what disciplines are brought to the table?
Is there a couple of board memebers that have held senior office in a major International Hub such as JFK or Singapore?
A couple of board members who have worked with Infrastructure funds?
A couple of board memebers who have done major mall development?
No doubt the usual political appointees
Or even a single board member who has taken a bus from the airport!!!
In relation to the baggage hall, T2 is suppose to be a long haul terminal. So the vast majority of passengers will have large amounts of hold luggage. Which makes all the lifts and stairs particularly stupid.
Despite the money we paid we do not have either a functional terminal or an architectural masterpiece.
I had this to say on another forum and, unfortunately, I may not have been completely wrong.
Originally Posted by eia340600:
http://www.dublinairportauthority.co…s/introt2.html
A “tour” of the terminal.
From the off, I’ve been sceptical about passenger flows in the new terminal.This “tour” only heightens my fears.
For starters, departing passengers have to rise 2 floors after check in for security and shopping, only to have to descend 2 floors again to get to the gates.OR (USA bound passengers) descend 3 floors and rise another.
This is done so that arriving passengers only have one level change.In the current terminal departing passengers have NO level changes and arriving passengers have one(after getting off the plane).
Not only do passengers have to change floors time and time again, but departing and arriving passengers actually intersect on the 1st floor of the terminal!!Never have I seen this happen outside of tiny regional airports.By the looks of things, departing passengers will have to walk through the ever present crowds of waiting plebs to get to security.
This layout is there because of the “bridge” over the T1 road.However, the roads were re-arranged to suit the new terminal, not the other way round.Therefore the bridge was unnecessary, and a more traditional and more effective terminal could have been designed.
Even if the bridge had to be there, a more flow friendly layout could have been adopted, with arrivals on the ground floor, check-in on the first and security on the 2nd, with the pier layout changed respectively.
Or arrivals on the top with check-in and security below.In other words there were a million different possibilities that could have been used to design a more user friendly Terminal.I am dubious about T2 in that respect.
I hope I’m wrong, but I think T2 will be an incredibly annoying place to pass through..But I guess I’ll have to wait and see…”
I had this to say on another forum and, unfortunately, I may not have been completely wrong.
Originally Posted by eia340600:
http://www.dublinairportauthority.co…s/introt2.html
A “tour” of the terminal.
From the off, I’ve been sceptical about passenger flows in the new terminal.This “tour” only heightens my fears.
For starters, departing passengers have to rise 2 floors after check in for security and shopping, only to have to descend 2 floors again to get to the gates.OR (USA bound passengers) descend 3 floors and rise another.
This is done so that arriving passengers only have one level change.In the current terminal departing passengers have NO level changes and arriving passengers have one(after getting off the plane).
Not only do passengers have to change floors time and time again, but departing and arriving passengers actually intersect on the 1st floor of the terminal!!Never have I seen this happen outside of tiny regional airports.By the looks of things, departing passengers will have to walk through the ever present crowds of waiting plebs to get to security.
This layout is there because of the “bridge” over the T1 road.However, the roads were re-arranged to suit the new terminal, not the other way round.Therefore the bridge was unnecessary, and a more traditional and more effective terminal could have been designed.
Even if the bridge had to be there, a more flow friendly layout could have been adopted, with arrivals on the ground floor, check-in on the first and security on the 2nd, with the pier layout changed respectively.
Or arrivals on the top with check-in and security below.In other words there were a million different possibilities that could have been used to design a more user friendly Terminal.I am dubious about T2 in that respect.
I hope I’m wrong, but I think T2 will be an incredibly annoying place to pass through..But I guess I’ll have to wait and see…”
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