Dublin Airport Metro to have unconnected terminus?
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Rory W – that’s what connecting services are for, feeder buses to supply the subway. Going to work every morning I have a 500m hike to the subway but there is a bus on my street to take me there if the weather is bad. Light rail tends to have somewhat closer stops, buses closer still, heavy rail further than metro.
Good metro planning should have a series of dense buildings near each stop with low density in between to allow neighbour differentiation. Looking along Toronto’s Yonge line it’s easier to pick out some of the midtown stops with highrises, others have yet to be developed but that day is coming.
Here if you are sufficiently infirm to be unable to walk to the nearest transit stop you can book a WheelTrans pickup which is subsidised and thus the fare is the same.
@Rory W wrote:
to you or I a 5 minute walk but what about the eldery or mothers with kids – anyway its a real pain in the arse getting off at the green centre to go to somewhere like Temple bar – make the service practical, build the extra stop and hang the cost!
Luas is probably the only public transport people with disabilities can use without hassle. Also the trams are always full of knackered tourists (who’ve been told you can see the whole city on foot) taking very short trips.
@Frank Taylor wrote:
Stephen’s Green to O’Connell Bridge is 800m. So the maximum walk to a station if you find yourself between these stops is 400m or 5 minutes. nobody minds a 5 minute walk (length of Grafton Street). Adding extra stops increases journey times overall and increases build costs.
O’Connell Bridge to Mater hospital is 1400m and needs an intermediate stop at Parnell Square. This is under negotiation at the moment. Parnell Street is a hub of multicultural activity and very densely built up with the potential for a lot more building on the East side. Also David Norris will be lobbying for a stop near his house.
Hi Frank.
When the distance from one station to the other station is 400-600 metres, the longest walk is about 200-300 metres. I think there is a big difference with this.
It is more expensive. Although, are you sure it makes journey times longer? When people must not walk such distances from the station, then the journey is quicker?
@Frank Taylor wrote:
I wish I were a senator. It’s one of the few jobs you could do drunk.
senate 16 may, 2001
That is SOMETHING ELSE.
Lets not get distracted The Airport Metro will connect to nothing other than Luas or the Maynooth Line; there will be no connection to mainline rail serving Cork, Limerick, Waterford, Tralee, Westport, Ennis.
To transfer to Belfast, Rosslare or Sligo you will have to change at Drumcoundra.
We still don’t have a completion date.
Dublin obviously doesn’t matter
PVC King wrote:Lets not get distracted The Airport Metro will connect to nothing other than Luas or the Maynooth Line]Maybe I’ve misunderstood you but:
The airport metro will connect to both Luas lines, the interconnector (Hazelhatch – Malahide line) at Stephens Green, the Bray – Maynooth line at Drumcondra, and Metro West at Ballymun.
Its true that it doesn’t go directly to any of the mainline stations, but at the end of the day, its only 1 change away from the commuter/mainline stations, i.e. Heuston, Connolly and Spencer Dock.
What interconnector?
The RPA has posted detailed draft plans of the Metro North route:
Very interesting if you like that sort of thing.
I see they have a section for the ‘Integrated Ticketing System’ and are referring to it as ITS – Pity they didn’t include ‘The’ into the acronym as it would sum up those responsible for implementation to a tee
OK – whose bright idea was it to propose building the airport stop over the far side of the airport i.e. next to the exit gates of the short term car park – could we not use a bit of joined up thinking and INTEGRATE it into the terminal buildings! Especially T2!!!!
Also – Swords Stop – I assume this part of the run is overland but why for god’s sake have the metro stop for the town in the middle of the Dual Carriageway opposite the Pavillions centre – could it not be in the town at all or are we going for the el cheapo job as usual?
Honest to god these people are mad
The Airport stop will form part of the Ground Transportation Centre with buses and coaches also terminating there. I initially thought the stop was gonna be between the 2 terminals. But remember these drawings show the stops. They don’t show the exits or how people will actually access it. In the case of the Airport a covered walkway is being provided around the GTC for overground pedestrians as well.
Yeh the swords thing is lunacy. Of course it should be underground with a stop on Main street. This is a cheap and extremely nasty alternative. On stilts in the middle of a National route. Accessibility me arse
@Rory W wrote:
I see they have a section for the ‘Integrated Ticketing System’ and are referring to it as ITS – Pity they didn’t include ‘The’ into the acronym as it would sum up those responsible for implementation to a tee
Also, ITS is an acronym already in use in traffic management- Intelligent Transport Systems.
Roll on the confusion…
Mussel cards as part of the Muscle system would have been perfect terminology; Barclays are about to roll out a small transaction capability on the Oyster card system enabling payments up to £10 at approved retailers for literally everything from a pint of milk to a glass of wine once you prepay.
ITS as per the above meaning it certainly isn’t in Dublin; higher densities will only come when the transport system is perceived to be right by the car driving classes and building consumer confidence in the system comes from initiatives like this being rolled out at no less than best practice level.
@Rory W wrote:
Also – Swords Stop – I assume this part of the run is overland but why for god’s sake have the metro stop for the town in the middle of the Dual Carriageway opposite the Pavillions centre
Levies from the development of future phases of the Pavilion. The plans are huge, 14-storeys in places.
@Andrew Duffy wrote:
The Swords bypass isn’t a national route, it’s the R132. It is still cheap and nasty though.
True but it’s a very busy dual carriageway
Yeah i wasn’t 100% sure if it had been reclassified along it’s full length. But it’s probably busier now than it was when it opened as the N1.
A couple of high density developments in Swords would be most welcome it is a sprawing mess at present with major traffic problems. If metro arrives there will be less driving around!!
This was in yesterday’s Times. Frank was on the radio yesterday making the point that unless they complete it out to Bray – which obviously would entail upgrading Luas green line – the project is financially unjustifiable.
I am inclined to agree; I am very much pro-metro, but is it now time to admit the politically un-admitable and look at relaying the Harcourt line, Bray to Harcourt St at 5’3″, underground via the airport and to Swords – where it would link in to the existing east coast rail corridor? There’s a thought – linked in public transport in Ireland…Looks as if those of us who got lambasted for pointing out the folly in reopening the Harcourt at anything other than a 5’3″ heavy rail capacity are beginning to be vindicated. Its either infrastructure or expensive trinketry – and I would have much preferred infrastructure. 🙁
@The Irish Times, Tuesday 7th August 2007 wrote:
Planned Dublin metro line to cost more than €5bn
Frank McDonald, Environment EditorDublin’s proposed metro line linking Swords with St Stephen’s Green is set to cost more than €5 billion, The Irish Times has established from documents released by the Department of Transport under the Freedom of Information Act.
Although all monetary figures in the documents are blacked out, it is possible to discern that the estimated cost of the 17km metro north line was put at €4.58 billion in 2004 prices. With construction inflation and additional expenditure, it would now be well over €5 billion.
The extra spending arises from the provision of an additional underground station at Parnell Square as well as a promise that the section of the route running through Ballymun would be underground, rather than on the surface as originally proposed.
The price tag for the city’s first metro line makes it by far the most expensive infrastructure project in the history of the State – at least three times more costly than the M50 (€1.6 billion) and six times more than either the two Luas lines or the Dublin Port Tunnel.
As well as metro north, the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) is pursuing plans for metro west, a 25km line linking Tallaght with Ballymun, via Clondalkin, Blanchardstown and a number of Luas lines, serving Citywest, Docklands and Cherrywood/Shanganagh.
No estimates of the likely cost of these projects have been revealed by the Department of Transport or the RPA, ostensibly on the basis that the figures are commercially confidential.
However, it is more likely that they are being suppressed for political reasons.
The documents were released after an appeal to the Information Commissioner, following a Freedom of Information Act request in November 2005 seeking details on the Government’s €34.4 billion Transport 21 investment programme.
They show that Iarnród Éireann submitted a 10-year capital programme, with an overall price-tag of €3.4 billion, to electrify much of Dublin’s suburban rail network and build an underground rail interconnector between Heuston Station and Spencer Dock.
Iarnród Éireann has conceded that the original estimate for the interconnector, which would have intermediate stations at Thomas Street, St Stephen’s Green and Pearse Station, would now be substantially dearer than the original €1.3 billion estimate in 2002.
The Cabinet subcommittee on infrastructure gave priority to the metro north project, however, and the RPA recently submitted it to An Bord Pleanála for fast-track planning approval.
© 2007 The Irish Times
There’s no doubt that stopping in Stephen’s Green makes no sense at all, it is a decision we will rue later.
But why spend the money on upgrading the red luas when that kind of retrospective expenditure would at least get the line to Harold’s Cross, i.e. virgin territory for rail.
There’s only one way the line should go imo & thats to a terminus at Tallaght (in the long term) with stops at:
St. Stephen’s Green >> Portobello >> Rathmines >> Harold’s Cross >> Terenure >> Templeogue >> Firhouse >> Old Bawn >> Tallaght/Square.
Whatever happens, parking this thing at Stephen’s Green should not be an option.
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