D’Olier & Westmoreland St.
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- June 17, 2008 at 11:23 am #713970
urbanisto
ParticipantIt has been closed for some time and none of the mentioned plans seem to have got very far. The last one I recall was about two years ago and involved a retail development. I would think that the Luas extension/ Metro works have put off any potential developer. Westmoreland Street is due for a “cut and cover” under Metro plans according to the DCBA in yesterdays Irish Times. Hardly the most inviting of prospects for a potential Zara/H&M/Big Name retailer. I think we shoudl accept that the builidng will be vacant for quite a while.
Its quite startling the degree to which uncertainty over the proposed Metro/Luas works is allowing areas the city centre to stagnate. A visionary masterplan is required from DCC but it doesnt seem to be interested. The agenda is being set by speculative development, as with Northern Quarter and Dublin Central where two massive developments are proposed that dont even seem to relate to one another.
June 17, 2008 at 1:56 pm #713971jdivision
ParticipantThe building was due to become a retail scheme but the reality is it won’t work because the footfall on the island is far too small to justify a retail led scheme – there simply isn’t enough passing trade, hence the reason the Manchester United store further down has still not got a new tenant (although that is due to change shortly). The owner of the building was a well known low profile businessman who passed away in the last year and this will delay any plans further I suspect.
June 17, 2008 at 3:49 pm #713972missarchi
ParticipantI was thinking they where waiting for the RPA to make an offer 😀
time will tell!!!stephen c DCC does need a visionary masterplan this is one of dublins biggest pinch points… I have seen the old one but its not detailed enough and not forward thinking enough….
June 18, 2008 at 1:07 pm #713973Rory W
Participantwho’s going in the old man u shop jdivision?
June 18, 2008 at 1:11 pm #713974notjim
ParticipantI was surprised there was no effort to link the EBS and the development of the old Times building.
June 18, 2008 at 9:14 pm #713975jdivision
ParticipantJune 19, 2008 at 8:59 am #713976GrahamH
ParticipantA beauty salon, ‘personal training centre’ and hairdressers were granted for the site a few months ago across part of the ground floor and all of the first floor, extending into the Lafayette building. The hairdressers will overlook O’Connell Bridge from first floor level.
However the ground floor development only affects about half the frontage of the former Man Utd shop on Westmoreland Street, where an entrance hall, waiting area and small beauty retail element is proposed. The left-hand part is still vacant, as is the expansive frontage to D’Olier Street which is a separate unit also.
June 19, 2008 at 9:07 pm #713977jdivision
ParticipantGraham,my understanding was that the guys behind Doyles are to make part of it into a pub though. heard that a while ago and things may have changed. Your points would suggest we could both be right though
August 5, 2008 at 4:12 pm #713978GrahamH
ParticipantThe EBS retail proposal from c. 2004 – knew I had it somewhere 😮

The former EBS HQ at 30/34 Westmoreland St, Dublin 2 which is to be converted into a large retail store. The front central section of the building will be retained while the remainder of the frontage will feature specialised coloured glazing. (paper caption)
To think this might actually have slipped through…
I love the streams of traffic passing by – says it all about the viability of the project.
Incidentally I was talking to someone who hadn’t been walking in the Westmoreland Street area for a year or two, and without any prompting whatever (honest) launched into a diatribe on the state of the place – from retail uses, to public domain, to shopfronts, to traffic. They couldn’t believe how much the place had deteriorated, and were mortified at the number of tourists availing of the thoroughfare. You’d wonder why they bother coming.
It’s the new O’Connell Street of the 1980s and it’s happening right before our eyes.August 5, 2008 at 4:33 pm #713979Paul Clerkin
KeymasterWestmoreland Street has gone to hell – as has Dame Street in my opinion.
August 5, 2008 at 5:09 pm #713980GrahamH
ParticipantYes you’re right – the entire Westmoreland Street/D’Olier Street/College Green/Dame Street axis is continuously deteriorating; the very places that should be the beating heart of the city. Dame Street is now a string of budget restaurants and bars (the odd gem excepted), language schools, internet cafés and newsagents. The banks’ presence, as welcome as it is, in such a concentration coupled with the aformentioned uses merely contributes to the problem with their deadening frontages.
The latest manifestation of this deteriorating order of uses is an appalling newsagents-cum-café across the road from City Hall, with a sparse budget fit-out and ubiqutous ‘temporary’ signage plastered across the awful polished granite shopfront with clunky aluminum windows. Permanent banner signs have also been erected on the upper facade. Meanwhile a Chinese restaurant recently wanted to set up shop next door to the Central Bank in a building with a stunning early 20th century interior, installing split-level mezzanines etc but have thankfully just been turned down – nonetheless a further indication of the way things are heading around here. The sniffing of Lidl around College Green is merely the icing on the cake – the fact they think there’s even a chance they could get in speaks volumes of authorities’ commitment to pressing for even basic standards, let alone higher order uses for the heart of the city.
It is a troubling trend that investment in the city centre appears increasingly to be consolidating around the south-western corner off Grafton Street, while the ceremonial heart effectively begins to rot.
August 5, 2008 at 8:17 pm #713981missarchi
Participantwas cycling down there today and I concur…
need a landscape plan bad… and no visible kerb and some funky bollards ect
how good will the job be after metro north we have no clue…transport and architecture are linked… sad but true fix the bridge as well
August 5, 2008 at 9:22 pm #713982jdivision
ParticipantEBS building’s back on the market. Owner died last year/earlier this year. If the Elliotts have the money they’d be obvious choice given they’re currently developing Times building
August 5, 2008 at 10:47 pm #713983publicrealm
ParticipantI hope someone will invest in the area in the near future – however the omens appear poor – the DCC permission for the current ESB building on Fleet Street (a gem) was appealed (by the Unionists alone) with the result that it may not now be worth building (and several floors of retail may be lost).
August 20, 2008 at 4:26 pm #713984Pilear
Participantanyone know what exactly is happening to the old irish times building? looks like construction has begun?
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hope these images are a bit better, thanks notjimAugust 20, 2008 at 4:38 pm #713985notjim
ParticipantAugust 21, 2008 at 11:47 am #713986urbanisto
ParticipantThis is what your getting…
August 21, 2008 at 11:49 am #713987urbanisto
Participantooops…how do I make that smaller (sorry Paul)
August 21, 2008 at 12:11 pm #713988gunter
ParticipantWhen you see these in the planning office, you’re never quite sure whether the model was damaged in transit , or whether the building is actually crumpled.
August 21, 2008 at 1:33 pm #713989urbanisto
ParticipantLOL…no its meant to be like that. I have images but they wont upload.
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