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Some more images of the recently launched City Square Development by Frinailla. More details at http://www.citysquare.ie
Its good to see that Cork City Manager Joe Gavin is to tell the Council Meeting tonight that the city has agreed to purchase the Huguenot cemetery in Carey’s Lane and restore it as a cultural and tourist attraction, while also allowing its present owner some room to develop his 1st floor property.
The Council are also due to confirm details of a Munster ‘Homecoming’ probably tomorrow (Tuesday) night in Cork City. Munster Abu!!
Munster – Champions of EuropeJust a quick post to note that the new Cork-Dublin Express carriages were finally put into service today on the 9am train from Dublin to Cork. Gradually, they will start operating more and more services on the Dublin-Cork line.
kite wrote::confused: According to the Cork Economic Monitor, published by the Planning and Development Directorate, Cork City Council under section 3.5.11 “]kite, many properties in Corkk have defective legal title – one or more past documents may be missing from the title, and as a result financing development of such a property can be difficult. There are a number of ways of perfecting title, most of which are as one would expect a right royal pain in the ass and designed to generate paperwork, hot air and little else. One good way is to have a property which you own (i.e have best title to) certified derelict by the City Manager. By so doing, he can effectively and in relatively short order, perfect a new title to the property in question. Such a property passes into the hands of the Council for the duration of the certification process. Then the City Manager hands it back to the owner.
This process is not a process whereby the City council are selling off properties cheap to worthy(!!) buyers. The properties were not the property of the City in the first place.
I’m not a legal guy, so if any of my statements are incorrect in fact, please correct.
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kite, many properties in Corkk have defective legal title – one or more past documents may be missing from the title, and as a result financing development of such a property can be difficult. There are a number of ways of perfecting title, most of which are as one would expect a right royal pain in the ass and designed to generate paperwork, hot air and little else. One good way is to have a property which you own (i.e have best title to) certified derelict by the City Manager. By so doing, he can effectively and in relatively short order, perfect a new title to the property in question. Such a property passes into the hands of the Council for the duration of the certification process. Then the City Manager hands it back to the owner.
This process is not a process whereby the City council are selling off properties cheap to worthy(!!) buyers. The properties were not the property of the City in the first place.
I’m not a legal guy, so if any of my statements are incorrect in fact, please correct.
🙂 Thanks for the info, i was just wondering what way the derelict site system worked.
The team are being invited to a reception with the Lord Mayor and Councillors at 7pm. At 8pm they will be on stage at the corner of Parnell Place and South Mall and Michael Corcoran from RTE will be the MC. There will be no open top bus
Was looking at the new section to the Camden court apartment scheme across the way from the Opera house. Its coming on nicely and it looks like, in my opinion, one of the best architectural apartment schemes in the city centre. It was designed by James Leahy architects, but i was on the RIAI website there recently and it says there is a James Bourke architects, is this the same James Bourke who worked with James Leahys? Or a different fellow altogether? If it is the same James Bourke has he started up his own new practice or what??
The Cork Economic Monitor, May 2006 states that retail performed strongly in 2005.
Significant new activity is likely in the city centre over the coming years such as the former Irish Examiner site on Academy St.,Guy’s site on Cornmarket St. etc.
Vacancy levels on Patrick St. are up 23% since April 2005 and vacancy levels on Oliver Plunkett St are also up but City Council does not see this as a worrying trend as a number of premises are undergoing renovation such as the former Hickey’s retail unit with a 931sq.m. footprint.@kite wrote:
🙂 Thanks for the info, i was just wondering what way the derelict site system worked.
Don’t think that the wording from the Economic Monitor was all that clear……the site was on the Register but just being on the internal register doesn’t mean that the site is declared a Derelict Site.
The register is used to clean up title but in the case of the Jacob’s site, it was on the list from way back in the very early 90’s.
BTW did anyone notice that the Further Information response went in on Dunnes Stores on Patrick Street – they’ve apparently got Douglas Wallace Opperman from Dublin in on the job to help out Bertie Popes design
Anyone know whats the story with that Food Emporium development on Fr Mathews Quay ? Work started their more than a year ago now. So far all they’ve managed to do is gut it, put a new roof on and do most of the load bearing internal structures. That’s all. A year to do this. Is there a reason for the huge hold up ?
Also, anyone know anything about the proposed redevelopment of Douglas Village Shopping Centre.
Micko wrote:Anyone know whats the story with that Food Emporium development on Fr Mathews Quay ? Work started their more than a year ago now. So far all they’ve managed to do is gut it, put a new roof on and do most of the load bearing internal structures. That’s all. A year to do this. Is there a reason for the huge hold up ?:confused: I was wondering the same thing Micko. Mr. McCarthy seems to have another “never ending” project on his hands with the ongoing redevelopment of the Kingsley Hotel….set to be a five star,,i don’t think so??
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Anyone know whats the story with that Food Emporium development on Fr Mathews Quay ?
Also, anyone know anything about the proposed redevelopment of Douglas Village Shopping Centre.
It believe the intention is to now convert the scheme into a small boutique hotel rather than the original apartment and food emporium scheme originially envisaged – although the scheme will retain the idea of extending Jacobs on the Mall restaurant – whether than has an ancillary emporium element to it I don’t know.
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BTW did anyone notice that the Further Information response went in on Dunnes Stores on Patrick Street – they’ve apparently got Douglas Wallace Opperman from Dublin in on the job to help out Bertie Popes design
The jury is out on the revised elevational treatment and new contemporary frontage at 102 St. Patrick’s Street. The corner at Drawbridge Street and Williams Street is also very bare – and the grey treatment is rather dull. Whatever you may feel about the original, I think the approach to the Patrick’s Street frontage (with respect to the protected facades) was much more sympathetic to the existing street-scape.
Barry O’Connor and Robert Kennedy have been taken to ABP in relation to their Crows Nest developmnet.
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Barry O’Connor and Robert Kennedy have been taken to ABP in relation to their Crows Nest developmnet.
I think that was probably a given in light of the extreme conditioning. It’ll be interesting to see what the Bord make of it.
On the matter of the Dunnes Stores on Patricks Street, I’ll have to agree with you on that one Lex. Not having been a fan of the previous plan, I still think the revised design is a bit of a let down. There doesnt seem to have been any address of active side-street uses along Bowling Green Street or Williams Street – and the whole scheme now seems to be a blanket shade of miserable grey. I couldnt find details on the materials, am I to assume limestone finishes? The new elevation at 102 is utterly awful, I get the argument for natural light but it looks completely out of place and scale with the protected facades and over-dominates them in a boxy and unkempt fashion. To this end, the original proposal was perhaps a little boring but it was certainly more in keeping and sympathetic to the existing frontages in the area. And for all the nattering about massing, the curved (cruise-liner bridge!) set-back brought a bit of variation to the standard roof-lines, and offered potential for interesting street views. Perhaps the only positive notes I can think of is the relocation of most plant equipment and storage areas to basement level and the more varied elevations along the side-streets. The northern (Drawbridge Sreet) elevation is boxy and bland, especially the eastern corner which towers like a sharp and rather boring line up about 20 metres. I sincerely hope the colour scheme is revised and the planners get some sense in recognising the pluses the original scheme brought in conjunction with the pluses (the few!) brought by the revised scheme – hopefully the best of both worlds is the eventual outcome. Wishful thinking?
Andother scheme brought to my attention was the plan for a 5 storey office building at Monahan Road. What a drab and boring building. Indeed the road frontage is desirable but this is achieved by a faceless wall of glazing capped by an overhang and supported by a series of narrow columns which would seem to beckon variety (though it fails). Either-side of the street frontage are wings which border exaggerated entry and exit points to the basement carpark either side. These wings are punctured with serial circular holes the height of the building. A drop-off point to the front of the building seems to exaggerate the width of the road (promoting an excess of tarmacadam over environment!) and dimishes pedestrian flow routes running east-to-west along the road. Something the council should be trying to promote. A central courtyard makes for perhaps the most interesting design aspect of the building with a variation in materials which includes limited patterned stone elevational finishes – its a pity the variety couldnt be extended to the wider exterior treatment of the building. Both east and west elevations are faceless grey walls with little distinction. Though the height and scale of the project would seem inline and respectful of its location (especially to residencies to the south), its street frontage and elevational treatments leave much to be desired.
😎 Robert Kennedy & Barry O’Connor have appealed the conditions associated with their grant on a redevelopment proposal for the Crow’s Nest bar and adjoining premises at Victoria Cross. The applicants had initially sought the construction of 74 apartments over 112-space basement car-parking on a site measuring just 0.266 hectares. The proposal was to be laid out over a block of 6-storeys with a feature tower of 15-storeys (50.4 metres) fronting Victoria Cross – designed by Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects. Following a time extension, the proposal was revised down to 10-storeys peak with 54 apartments and a now seperate block of 5-storeys with set-back 6th storey – all over 113 basement parking spaces and commercial units (as with the original proposal these units included among them a new bar and restaurant). The revised proposal can been seen in the image posted below. Despite noting that the scheme be acceptable at up to 8-storeys in his report, curiously the planner ultimately conditioned the scheme down to 6-storeys. The applicants are now appealing this decision with ABP.
View of revised scheme from Victoria Cross with Cork County Hall in the background.
😎 Niall Doris has appealed conditions on his plans to redevelop the Nat Ross premises on Monahan’s Road with 104-residential units, over 30,000sq ft of office space and basement car-parking. CCC found light to grant the scheme subject to a revision in heights which were originally proposed at 10-storeys (peak) – allowed at 6-storeys, conditions were imposed to reduce parking space numbers and a removal of 11-apartments to cater for enhanced amenity aspects. 95-units were granted. These conditions as well as issues of Development Contributions are now to be appealed by the developer. The project was designed by Jonathan Horgan with SDA O’Flynn.
😎 Bernard Crowley and Gerard Paul’s scheme of 67 apartment units for the Riverside Farm along the Model Farm Road – designed by Dennehy + Dennehy – has seen its scheduled decision date with ABP pushed back until the 29th of May 2006. The original decision date as mooted for May 22nd 2006. The scheme was originally proposed at a height of between 6 and 7-storeys over basement parking – however following revisions, a grant for 49-units, creche and part-basement parking was permitted.lexington wrote:😎 Robert Kennedy & Barry O’Connor have appealed the conditions associated with their grant on a redevelopment proposal for the Crow’s Nest bar and adjoining premises at Victoria Cross. The applicants had initially sought the construction of 74 apartments over 112-space basement car-parking on a site measuring just 0.266 hectares. The proposal was to be laid out over a block of 6-storeys with a feature tower of 15-storeys (50.4 metres) fronting Victoria Cross – designed by Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects. Following a time extension, the proposal was revised down to 10-storeys peak with 54 apartments and a now seperate block of 5-storeys with set-back 6th storey – all over 113 basement parking spaces and commercial units (as with the original proposal these units included among them a new bar and restaurant). The revised proposal can been seen in the image posted below. Despite noting that the scheme be acceptable at up to 8-storeys in his report, curiously the planner ultimately conditioned the scheme down to 6-storeys. The applicants are now appealing this decision with ABP.
View of revised scheme from Victoria Cross with Cork County Hall in the background.This development is also subject to a third party appeal. Todays Cork Independent reports that the CSD group have lodged a submission.
*shortly I would hope to post some (restricted) details of an emerging aviation development associated with Cork – although preliminary in nature*
Can you enlighten us yet Lexington…am intrigued!:confused:
😡 Well yet again, ABP have pushed back the decision date for Werdna’s Water Street scheme. Designed by Murray O’Laoire Architects, the scheme has been continuously pushed back. Already this year dates had been set for April and June but now it seems the date will now be delayed until September of 2006.
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😮 US-carrier Delta Airlines are in discussions with Cork Airport about the option of opening up a US route from the airport, however the stage of progression associated with the talks is unclear. The airline has identified Cork as one of its possible expansion options – the route could bring significant benefit in terms of both tourism and investment should it materialise.
It seems the Cork Airport Authority have denied media reports (which I subsequently noted on here) that Delta Airlines were in discussion to review prospects on a possible US-link. The revelation is disappointing and yet another let down in prospects for a transatlantic route to the city. Pity.
@browser wrote:Can you enlighten us yet Lexington…am intrigued!
I’m looking forward to it – however I have to be careful with this one, and may perhaps unveil details before mid-June. However the issue is rather sensitive at the moment given the preliminary nature of the project. It does not, however, relate directly to Cork Airport.
lexington wrote:😡 Well yet again, ABP have pushed back the decision date for Werdna’s Water Street scheme. Designed by Murray O’Laoire Architects, the scheme has been continuously pushed back. Already this year dates had been set for April and June but now it seems the date will now be delayed until September of 2006.😮 This delay is an absolute disgrace, any investor/developer from outside Cork must now be asking themselves if any large scale development in the city is possible without being a member of Cork’s chosen few?
Iarnród Éireann has published advertisements in local and national newspapers today to commence the Railway Order process for the restoration of rail services on the Cork-Midleton rail line.
Services proposed on the route would be initially peak services every 30 minutes between Midleton and Cork, with the potential to expand to every 15 minutes as demand increases. Off-peak services would operate hourly, and all services would be operated by commuter railcars. It is envisaged that the line would reopen in 2008.
The project proposes:– upgrading track on the disused Glounthaune to Midleton line, through provision of a single track with a passing loop at Carrigtwohill
– providing a new signalling system
– provision of two new stations at Midleton and Carrigtwohill, including car parking facilities, lifts and footbridges
– the replacement of five level crossings with four new overbridges and one underbridge, including overbridges on the Cork-Glounthaune section of line
– other infrastructure work including bridge, boundary and drainage works
The Railway Order process, the equivalent of a planning permission process for a rail scheme of this type, provides for a Public Inquiry to be established to establish the final scope of the project, and rule on Compulsory Purchase Order powers for Iarnród Éireann.
Full details of the project will be on display in seven locations in Cork, Carrigtwohill and Midleton (see below) to allow the public and interested parties to study the plans and make submissions if they wish. Information will also be available on line at http://www.irishrail.ie/midletonproject .
The Midleton line works are part of a wider programme of investment to expand Cork area commuter services. New stations are also planned at Dunkettle on the Cork-Cobh/Midleton line; and Blarney and Blackpool/Kilbarry on the Cork-Mallow line.
originally posted by paddyinthehouse
Original shopfront image originally posted by DevinAn Taisce have appealled to ABP against the decision by CCC to grant permission for the retention of a new shopfront on Oliver Plunkett Street, Cork. The shopfront belongs to the new Butlers Chocolate store/cafe adjacent to the GPO. The ‘original’ Buckley Bros. shopfront used vitrolite- a material which is no longer produced. See ‘vitrolite shopfronts’ thread for more.
It’s good to see the renewal of the streetscape on Grand Parade going ahead speedily. The first of the new stonework has been laid in the past few days and workers are currently dismantling and removing the Berwick Fountain temporarily.Finally for now, does anybody else think that the new wall and railings erected in front of The Counting House at Beamish and Crawford are a disgrace? The wall is just poured concret, the railings themselves are terribly designed which has resulted in the need to install chunky metal barriers between the top of the wall and the bottom of the railing. If you havent seen it already, take a look next time you’rte passing. It looks like a monumental cock-up.!
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