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I’d agree, the Boole Library complex is a good building for its position opposite the Quad and also, I think, is neccesarily blocky due to its purpose as a library.
The O’Rahilly building, is pretty poor. the exterior is quite garrish, but the interior is a disaster area- rooms are poorly designed and the place is a maze!…Barry O’Connor and Robert Kennedy have been granted permission to redevelop their site at the Crow’s Nest fronting Victoria Cross (inclusive of Victoria Terrace and the MP Crowley premises) and Carrigrohane Road. The residential scheme, over basement car-parking and commercial units (including a new bar and restaurant) was designed by Tom Hegarty with Reddy O’Riordan Staehli Architects and originally proposed at 15-storeys with a 6-storey lower section to the west; 74 apartment units with a mix of 1, 2 and 3-bedroom configurations formed the scheme’s main constituents. Following concerns related to design and height, a revised proposal was submitted on March 13th 2006 which now put forward a 10-storey tower element and 5-storey block with recessed level – it was this revision that was assessed and granted…however now, following further reductions by planners, the scheme’s tall element now stands to peak at a height of 6-storeys with the eastern section rising to 4-storeys with a recessed level. The planner involved had originally indicated the prospect of the ‘tower’ element rising to 8-storeys but this was reviewed on the outline of conditions.
View of revised scheme from Victoria Cross with Cork County Hall in the background.A number of submissions were lodged concerning the project – points of note included the scheme’s impact on Cork County Hall as a protected structure, traffic, excessive height and overshadowing. With 9-storeys knocked off the height, the scheme stands with a substantially reduced presence. The prospect of appeal remains to be realised.
@lexington wrote:
Crows Nest approved
excellent, good to see buildings of that size, hopefully it will look better than Victoria Cross – CSD will go nuts.
Crows nest is a very dissappointing decision. The fact that the ‘tower’ went from 15 storeys to 6 storeys is an indication of how unsuitable this development was for the site, and how planners recognised this. Unfortunately, the planners did not have the balls to reject the development in its entirety and instead imposed ridiculous conditions. The site would have been much better served had the Crow’s nest pub building and the terrace of houses to the west been refurbished and left as they were. It will be interesting to see how this does when it goes to appeal- something which must be an inevitability!
@Pug wrote:
excellent, good to see buildings of that size, hopefully it will look better than Victoria Cross – CSD will go nuts.
The problem is there are no ‘buildings of that size’ going in. At 6 storeys it’ll be just the same as everything else in the area. I wasnt for the original building and even the revised plan wasnt an ideal but at least a little bit of height, even at the 8 storeys would have given a bit of variety to heights or even complimented the 9 storey Victoria mills building to some extent. Now we just get a repeat of everything else. From the ground 6 storeys will block views from Victoria cross to County hall in any event. Given that, they might have as well left the extra 2 floors and given some variety to the area. It still wouldnt have affected the long distance views that given County hall its presence. Evenso the design above the 2nd floor facing Victoria cross did nothing for me. Seems like ridiculous conditioning. If you’re going to knock that much off you may as well just refuse it. Another Water street type scenario.
@ewankennedy wrote:
The problem is there are no ‘buildings of that size’ going in. At 6 storeys it’ll be just the same as everything else in the area. I wasnt for the original building and even the revised plan wasnt an ideal but at least a little bit of height, even at the 8 storeys would have given a bit of variety to heights or even complimented the 9 storey Victoria mills building to some extent. Now we just get a repeat of everything else. From the ground 6 storeys will block views from Victoria cross to County hall in any event. Given that, they might have as well left the extra 2 floors and given some variety to the area. It still wouldnt have affected the long distance views that given County hall its presence. Evenso the design above the 2nd floor facing Victoria cross did nothing for me. Seems like ridiculous conditioning. If you’re going to knock that much off you may as well just refuse it. Another Water street type scenario.
🙁 8-10 storeys with a nice design would be good for this area. Like you say, every building being approx the same height is not going to be very pleasing to the eye.
@kite wrote:
🙁 8-10 storeys with a nice design would be good for this area. Like you say, every building being approx the same height is not going to be very pleasing to the eye.
point taken, you’re prob right – surely it can be made up for if the look of it on the outside makes some sort of statement. Has to be better than what was there in fairness.
@kite wrote:
🙁 8-10 storeys with a nice design would be good for this area. Like you say, every building being approx the same height is not going to be very pleasing to the eye.
Well yes in moderation of course. The flipside of that is too much variation causes a skyline to look untidy. But the odd punctuation here and there where it is prominent enough is no harm. I mean the buildings on the south side of Victoria cross should have a balanced or patterned height but sites like the Crows nest could in theory accomodate buildings that punch 3 or 4 storeys above the average to make a balanced statement.
At this site i’d rather a good design at 10 storeys than a so-so or lazy design at 6.
@Pug wrote:
excellent, good to see buildings of that size, hopefully it will look better than Victoria Cross – CSD will go nuts.
🙁 Im not so sure if CSD will be going nuts Pug, reading the conditions attached to the Crows Nest on the CCC website just now, i really NEVER saw such ridiculous conditions attached to any other planning proposal.
Christ, if Mr. O’Connor, and Kennedy want to scrach their ass on this one they need seperate planning.
I for one hope the developers take this to ABP.The conditions seem a bit odd to me as well. I don’t understand the report. One minute it says an 8-storey building would be acceptable, the next it caps the height at 6-storeys. Either way, the fact that the tall element is now capped at 6-storeys and the lower block at 5-storeys, seems to me to suggest the building will run as one long monotonous block. Given that this was no princess of a design at any stage the conditions seem to have made it worse rather than enhance it. I agree with someone else’s comments earlier about if you’re going to reduce a scheme so much you may as well just refuse it. I can see this one going for appeal. Maybe they’ll ask for a better redesign and I’d rather a taller building with a bit of distinction rather than another 6-storey block like every other one in the city. Still it will be a shame to see the Crow go and those little terrace houses alongside it on the Straight Road.
It seem the Kelleher-family are now to put their 1.1 acre assembled site near Cork University Hospital on the market – through agents Hamilton Osborne King. The site, which includes the premises once operated as an Esso station as well as 2 residential properties to the rear/north, was once considered for a private medical development of 100,000sq ft plus according to local media – however now, the strategic location is expected to make anywhere up to a pricey €15m. The sites location to the south-west corner of CUH lands represents a significant private medical redevelopment opportunity but has value beyond such a sole use as well.
@lexington wrote:
It seem the Kelleher-family are now to put their 1.1 acre assembled site near Cork University Hospital on the market
i can see it on google map but broadband and lack thereof (isnt that a complete disgrace) prevents me from getting an image for you
Is it the site on your left, if you were going towards the wilton roundabout? Directly opposite that little retail park?
@Pug wrote:
i can see it on google map but broadband and lack thereof (isnt that a complete disgrace) prevents me from getting an image for you
Is it the site on your left, if you were going towards the wilton roundabout? Directly opposite that little retail park?
It is opposite (across the dual-carriageway from) the Statoil Petrol Station and Xtra-Vision store in Bishopstown. The former Esso station has since been dismantled.
@lexington wrote:
It is opposite (across the dual-carriageway from) the Statoil Petrol Station and Xtra-Vision store in Bishopstown. The former Esso station has since been dismantled.
looks a bit bigger than 1.1 acres doesnt it? – fine site though
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Crows nest is a very dissappointing decision. The fact that the ‘tower’ went from 15 storeys to 6 storeys is an indication of how unsuitable this development was for the site, and how planners recognised this. Unfortunately, the planners did not have the balls to reject the development in its entirety and instead imposed ridiculous conditions. The site would have been much better served had the Crow’s nest pub building and the terrace of houses to the west been refurbished and left as they were. It will be interesting to see how this does when it goes to appeal- something which must be an inevitability!
:confused: How many of the proposed 74 Apts. are going to be lost due to the CCC conditions?
The CCC website does not say.A pivotal site of approx. 0.5acres along Kyrl’s Quay has seen auctioneers Dominic Daly agree sale for a value well in excess of its €5m AMV. The RH Parker & Sons site (Cork Timber, Slate & Cement Co.) site was sold privately to Murrayforde Developments – who will likely seek options on acquiring additional premises in the immediate area – which include important sites held by Cork City Council to the west and north of the site. Bridewell Garda Station possesses important corner frontage onto Cornmarket Street – a street destined for considerable renewal in the coming months with work finally steaming ahead on the former Guy & Co. site being developed by Rockfell Investments (headed by Michael O’Donoghue) in a mixed development which will provide 65 apartments, 120,000sq ft of retail space and 66 basement car-parking spaces for residential use (designed by Niall Coffey with Frank Ennis & Associates). In addition, Cork City Council are to undertake a rejuvenation of the street-scape in the prospective future which extends from Daunt Square in the south to the new Shandon Bridge in the north. Nearby, O’Callaghan Properties have designs on an assembled site at 16 Lavitts Quay, the majority of which was purchased from Howard Holdings (who previously proposed a Comfort Inn hotel on the same site), for a mixed development with possibilities of up to 100,000sq ft of comparison goods retail over 4 large units on lower levels and residential over-head. Redevelopment possibilities could materialise also at another noteworthy site on Cornmarket Street – but it is not known when options on this will proceed.
The Kyrls Quay area was the subject of a major architectural design competition, won by Conroy Architecture, and has capacity for development of a significant landmark proposal (which could very well take advantage of work already done by many of the top entries to the design competition). Key points in the requirements for redevelopment designs, noted by Cork City Council, included a landmark, international quality design with consideration of the historical importance of its location and with elements of sufficient height so as to mask views of the bulky North Main Street multi-storey to the rear and sufficient public amenity space with consider utilisation of the nearby river/quayside.
Satellite image of the Kyrl’s Quay area.
Work proceeding at the Rockfell Investments site along Cornmarket Street.🙁 Sean Keohane’s Grangefield Developments have withdrawn their ambitious waterfront scheme on an assembled site by Blackrock Village. The attractively designed project, by architects James Leahy & Associates, sought permission to develop 119 residential units over basement parking on site – which was to include the premises of the Cork Boat Club and a reclaimed area of 1,954sq m. As part of the proposal, Cork Boat Club were to attain a striking and much needed new clubhouse with gangway and boating facilities – a boardwalk with public access was earmarked to wrap around the riverside perimeter of the proposal, taking full advantage of the waterfront location. A decision on the project, which was lodged on December 5th 2005, had been scheduled for May 7th 2006 – the application had received 37 submissions, and had been extended to accommodate further discussions with the planning authority. Consequent of these discussions, the application has been withdrawn in light of the prospect of a refusal. Rather than endure this, it is believed the scheme will undergo revision.
Various images of the Grangefield Developments’ proposal for Blackrock as envisaged.
😮 May 9th 2006 sees the scheduled decision by An Bord Pleanala for Frinailla’s Victoria Cross scheme of 25 upper-end residential units being made available through agents Global Properties. The scheme was designed by Gerladine McNamara with Richard Rainey & Associates, and is to be built over basement car-parking and storage.
Sticking to ABP…😎 Adrian Power has appealed conditions on his office proposal for Clarke’s Bridge, designed by Coughlan de Keyser and originally submitted in a 7-storey format. The proposal took advantage of a prominent waterfront corner site only a stone’s throw from Cork’s Legal District. The proposal was subsequently reduced at the behest of planners – including a number of material reductions/alterations and a height adjustment, ultimately granted at 5-storeys. The original proposal included a number of pleasant finishes including a protruding copper clad elevation, red-brick, balconies availing of the riverfront aspect and a nice, small boardwalk area.
😎 The 22nd of May 2006 is the scheduled decision date for the appeal of Bernard Crowley & Gerard Paul’s Dennehy + Dennehy Designs crafted apartment scheme at Riverside Farm, near the Tennis Village along the Model Farm Road. The scheme originally peaked at 7-storeys and included 67 apartments over 84-parking spaces and gym – the proposal was granted at 6-storeys and over 40 apartments.
Following the announcement regarding Manor Park’s intentions for the Horgans Quay site, will they be responsible for the design of the new train station? What are the chances that we will get a signature piece of architecture for the city? We missed out on the Dunkettle river crossing so can we have a “Union Station” (San Francisco isn’t it?) please?
If we ask nicely will they go to an architect of the stature of Calatrava / Piano / Gehry – (no disrespect to the current crop of Irish architects).
Hopefully we will get a bold design at the very least – something that will surprise us. Anyway, I really enjoy this website and this thread in particular, keep up the good work.Mallow’s population to swell to 30,000
By Sean O’Riordan
A SENIOR civil servant has revealed that major plans are being drawn up in Mallow to cater for a population of 30,000 within the next 20 years, which is far larger than the National Spatial Strategy suggested.Tim Lucey, who is an assistant county manager with Cork County Council revealed yesterday that the local authority had already put in train a number of plans to deal with the future.
These include building a new bridge across the River Blackwater, significantly increasing housing, developing southern link roads, creating industrial parks and the possibility of acquiring a Third Level institution.
In addition Mr Lucey also announced that the county council had just purchased more than 13 acres of land on the southside of the town, which will be earmarked for industrial and commercial development.
Mr Lucey said that Mallow, which is designated as a hub town, will grow rapidly. The last census showed the town had a population of 9,789 and 3,219 houses. The National Spatial Strategy proposed a population increase to 17,430 by 2020. But Mr Lucey said the town and its hinterland could hold up to 30,000 within the next 15 to 20 years.
“Mallow should have a vision of developing to the 30,000 mark through phased zoning in the town and its immediate environ,†he said. “In terms of the number of households this means a requirement for approximately 9,600 additional dwellings by 2020 and beyond.â€
To achieve this target the council envisages maximising housing density. At present, the average density allowed in Mallow is 23 dwellings per hectare.
This will be increased to 30 to 35 houses per hectare in the coming years. Mr Lucey said there was an additional requirement to zone 150 hectares of land for housing, which is almost double what is provided for at present.
Land is also to be zoned for industrial use, with the aim of creating 10,000 new jobs in the area.
“To put such job numbers into perspective, it is a realistic aim for a 50 acre technology or business park to support 3,000 jobs,†said Mr Lucey.
“Killarney Technology Park has this target and Clonakilty Technology Park is well on the way to achieving 1,000 jobs.â€
Mr Lucey, who was addressing local business leaders at a breakfast meeting in the Hibernian Hotel, also spoke about the need for further educational developments.
“The Special Local Area Plan will attempt to address this issue by earmarking a site with the potential for third level facilities, possibly on an outreach basis,†he said.
from platform11 unfortunately source unknown
@Ebeck wrote:
Following the announcement regarding Manor Park’s intentions for the Horgans Quay site, will they be responsible for the design of the new train station? What are the chances that we will get a signature piece of architecture for the city? We missed out on the Dunkettle river crossing so can we have a “Union Station” (San Francisco isn’t it?) please?
If we ask nicely will they go to an architect of the stature of Calatrava / Piano / Gehry – (no disrespect to the current crop of Irish architects).
Hopefully we will get a bold design at the very least – something that will surprise us. Anyway, I really enjoy this website and this thread in particular, keep up the good work.Indeed a signature piece of architecture would be most welcome – especially at this vital location. However, a Calatrava, Gehry or even van Egeraat piece is not on the cards. O’Mahony Pike Architects are project architects – however, they promise superior standards of design (according the appropriate individuals).
Thomond Park – the journalist of the piece works with the Irish Examiner.
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