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@mhenness wrote:
Did you not hear about the service upgrade to hourly trains between Cork and Dublin and also the new rolling stock that Irish Rail will be introducing? Sure, it still won’t be to continental standards but it should be a welcome improvement and hopefully an indicator of things to come?
Rolling stock? more like laughing stock. Carriages were due to be rolled out in Dec 05 – now it appears there may be ONE of the new trains MAYBE next month. Irish Rail should be privatised. Its the only way the company will work
I am completeing a research paper (protected structures; the impact upon modern urban development and design) and i am using the development of 93 South mall and 17 & 18 parnell place in Cork as a case study for the paper. i am finding it difficult to get contact information for the developer pitwood ltd, if someone has any contact details for them i would be very grateful. Similarly any imputs regarding the devlopment or topic would be welcomed.
katmandone wrote:I am completeing a research paper (protected structures]See my private message for details katmandone.
@Pug wrote:
Rolling stock? more like laughing stock. Carriages were due to be rolled out in Dec 05 – now it appears there may be ONE of the new trains MAYBE next month. Irish Rail should be privatised. Its the only way the company will work
This does not mean that it isn’t going to happen and that the new services wont deliver improvements. You might be right about privatization of the Cork to Dublin line. I’m not sure about all services yet. That said the results of privatization are not clear. There are cases where state rail companies can deliver excellent services like DB in Germany. That said DB is operated as a private company but the state holds all the shares :-). I’m sure some form of privatization will eventually come. Even Germany’s rail services are coming up for competition in the near future. Without a doubt privatization of Irish Rail will not come without pain 🙂
@Thomond Park wrote:
Try £208.00 Stg for London to Manchester for a pricy 30 extra miles in distance and equally limited gaurantee of a seat
Anytime I’ve gone on the train from London to Manchester it was about £60 (about €75) but they gave out tea and coffee and it took less than 2 hours. The benefits of electrified railways means you can get there more smoothly and much faster as opposed to Irish Rail’s post-war diesel engines. I wouldn’t give Irish Rail the time of day, or CIE as a whole. The transportation market should be opened up to more companies.
Saw this on Yahoo, “Limerick City Status Threatened” http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18042006/80-132/rugby-exodus-threatens-limerick-s-city-status.html.
According to Reuters, if Limerick’s populatin drops below 50,000, which it is increasingly close to, it will not be considered a city anymore and will loose out on crucial European Union funding.
I know it has nothing to do with developments in Cork, but thought it was interesting. On a brighter note though, the Central Statistics Office has acknowledged that the area known as Metropolitan Cork by the Cork Area Strategic Plan has an estimated population of 251,510, which is to be officially recognised when Census 2006 is carried out next week.http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/
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@d_d_dallas wrote:
Well a certain Cllr has been selected to run for the Dáil by their party. Does this mean their interest in planning matters in the Bishopstown area has served its purpose? It will be interesting to see if the same issues become relevant when competing for a national role.
😮 Tonights Echo has a story that CSD may be going to run in Cork South Central in 2007.
Cllr. Buttimer may spout drivel now and again to appease the “Anti” crowd but the Fine Gale Party will put him firmly in his box when needs be…CSD however may be more difficult to control?
The Csd website claims that they are going to report the City Manager, Mr.Joe Gavin to the ombudsman for not putting the 3 story height cap in place, this is on http://www.corksouthwest.com on their news page.
Can things get any worse??😮 Niall & Sheila Doris of the Beverly Smyth Group have issued Significant Further Information on their plans for the Nat Ross site along Monahan’s Road. Designed by Jonathan Horgan with SDA O’Flynn Architects, the original scheme sought to construct 104 residential units over 4-blocks ranging in heights of 4 to 10-storeys, over 30,000sq ft of business & technology space and basement car-parking. A terrace of 5x 2-storey houses were also included as a buffer in the scheme. The revised proposal addresses concerns laid out by CCC Planners and will see a significant reduction in building heights which will now peak at between 4 and 6-storeys. Unit numbers have been addressed accordingly. Additional information on the original scheme is found here.
A decision is now due for the 10th May 2006. More details soon.
😎 Meanwhile Frinailla have seen a request for Further Information meet its plans for the redevelopment of the former Good Shepherd Convent site in Sunday’s Well. Frinailla have applied for the development of 274 quality new homes on the pivotal site – see further details here.
😎 Hot on the heels of a grant for the development of a 5-storey office building by Adrian Power at Clarke’s Bridge, Bernard Crowley is now seeking to develop a 6-storey office development on a limited site at the Waterfront, just off Hanover Street. The permitted by cutback residential scheme by John & Michael O’Dwyer nearby has recently been lodged for appeal.More details/updates later.
Thomond Park wrote:http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/Standard Open Single £202 return not £208 as stated above]
I’m travelling from Bruxelles to Paris in May. My ticket for the thalys has been booked for €40. I have a seat assigned. The journey will take approximately 1 hour.
Now that is what I call service… and SNCB & SNCF are both state run 🙂
SNCF sells it’s TGV all over the world.
A long way from trying to get from Cork to Belfast a shorter distance that takes 6 hours if your lucky
mickeydocs wrote:TGV’s sold all over the worldQuote:alright, even though IRish Rail are one of my pet hates, lets talk about more important matters and keep this site to Corks Development like when Water St will get planning and how CSD even dream of fielding a candidate for the Dail based on buildings that should be lower than 3 stories. Had a look at their website and in fairness, they do have to put up with utter soul-less drivel (personal opinion) like the giant yellow brick from the ’70’s that is Victoria Cross but I completely disagree with CSD standpoint. Cork has great quays and could do 4/5 stories with 15 storey gateways like North Gate and South Gate etc.@Pug wrote:
@mickeydocs wrote:
TGV’s sold all over the world
alright, even though IRish Rail are one of my pet hates, lets talk about more important matters and keep this site to Corks Development like when Water St will get planning and how CSD even dream of fielding a candidate for the Dail based on buildings that should be lower than 3 stories. Had a look at their website and in fairness, they do have to put up with utter soul-less drivel (personal opinion) like the giant yellow brick from the ’70’s that is Victoria Cross but I completely disagree with CSD standpoint. Cork has great quays and could do 4/5 stories with 15 storey gateways like North Gate and South Gate etc.
Damm right, Victoria Mills is giving the CSD fuel for their fire. Going for the Dail on this issue is a joke just like “one issue Buttimer” is doing, but like i said before, at least we can be sure FG will keep him in place.
The Echo reports tonight that CSD have reported the City Manager to the Ombudsman, who is going to keep them quiet?@kite wrote:
Damm right, Victoria Mills is giving the CSD fuel for their fire. Going for the Dail on this issue is a joke just like “one issue Buttimer” is doing, but like i said before, at least we can be sure FG will keep him in place.
The Echo reports tonight that CSD have reported the City Manager to the Ombudsman, who is going to keep them quiet?I’m not being sarcastic or anything, but Kite….. have you ever thought of running for local elections? It’s really clear that you are passionate about doing the opposite of whatever this CDS group does. Start a petition, set up a website, I’m sure there are a load of people on here and around the city that would support you, including me. Just because some group of nobodies are against “high-rise” (using the term loosely) developments doesn’t mean we all are.;)
I think you’re all giving these lobby groups too much credit and airtime. So much of what they say and their councillors say is such bunkum. Anyone who understands proper planning law will tell you that. They like quoting bits and bobs from select articles and legal scriptures but in the empirical context they all add up to very little. Politicians and councillors like entertaining all that sort of stuff because they think it swings votes – but at the end of the day it means little but gestures. Gestures that can’t last indefinitely given the practical contravention to sustainable development.
I would really rather see us get back on track and discuss issues like builidng stock and future projects that will benefit/not benefit the city.
A decision on John Murphy’s application for the Huguenot graveyard on Carey’s Lane has been delayed until 27th of July. Permission was requested to widen the existing entrance on Carey’s Lane, install a new staircase, balcony and wheelchair lift in the graveyard and to make alterations to the existing rear extension to the adjoining building. This is to facilitate a restaurant on the first floor of the former French Church Building on French Church Street.
This controversial development has attracted a total of 15 objections. Including those from An Taisce, Huguenot Heritage, A number of academics from Dept. Sociology UCC, and Dept. French UCC, Friends of the Huguenot Graveyard and others.
And with the closing date for submissions on OCP’s Academy Street development and a decision due date of the 2nd of next month (expect this to fall back somewhat) there are a total of 20 submissions on file.Anybody know what’s happening to the former “Rhino Room” pub on Castle Street? It’s just got a new coat of paint. Has this anything to do with the extensive renovation of the building next door, facing onto Daunt Square?
Also, while I’m at it, whats the latest on the eyesore at the corner of South Main Street/Washington Street? I thought planning had been granted.[quote=”Radioactiveman
A decision on John Murphy’s application for the Huguenot graveyard on Carey’s Lane has been delayed until 27th of July. [/QUOTE”]If its allowed then it needs a really sensitive design around it. Not a hint about Water street either?
im looking forward to seeing the designs for ocp’s lavits qy plan at number 16. wonder if theyll maintain a light coloured render to compliment 21 lavitts qy or contrast it. its relation to the opera house will be most interesting. im praying for a big of imagination here. what wilson come up with for andersens qy will be interesting too. can they hit another dramatic note like patricks qy? im very anxious about seeing work get moving on clontraf st and deanes street schemes. any news on the clontarf st office building? i think 9 storeys would make an appropriate statement for this site. my own concern would be its visual relationship to 6 lapps qy when viewed from eglinton st. i think this area needs rounding up and hopefully andersens qy wil help that further, just a shame its not including the simon centre nextdoor. also the bus station should be up for redevelopment in the future so i hear which would round the quay off nicely.
i think this area needs rounding up and hopefully andersens qy wil help that further, just a shame its not including the simon centre nextdoor. also the bus station should be up for redevelopment in the future so i hear which would round the quay off nicely.[/QUOTE]
what’s happening on Andersen’s quay.
@mickeydocs wrote:
also the bus station should be up for redevelopment in the future
the bus station? again? dont tell me they are going to do it now when it could have been spared the half an effort and a coat of paint that went into it the last time?
@mickeydocs wrote:
i think this area needs rounding up and hopefully andersens qy wil help that further, just a shame its not including the simon centre nextdoor. also the bus station should be up for redevelopment in the future so i hear which would round the quay off nicely.
what’s happening on Andersen’s quay.
O’Callaghan Properties are seeking to develop a commercial development of predominantly prime office space on an assembled site to include the Reliance Bearing premises, CSPCA, Mahers and S. Tyres (apparently). The office scheme is being designed by Wilson Architecture.
As for the Bus Station, CIE are maintaining the option of a future redevelopment of the site – there are no firm plans and it is doubtful anything will materialise for sure until after the new facility at Horgan’s Quay has been constructed. CIE had attempted an appeal against the Oyster Developments proposal to convert No.8 Parnell Place to office use – their arguments include that it may inadvertently compromise their intention to redevelop the Bus Station on Anderson’s Quay at a later date.
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