developments in cork
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Everyone must be gone away for the bank holiday week-end, it’s been so quiet on here these last few days. And I know I mentioned it before, but who da f*cking hell do I have to go to about the public transport in this city, or should I say the lack of it. It’s so unbeliveable. I am so serious, the city needs some sort of trolleybus or tram. The buses smell up the city and all a trolleybus would need is a ‘lil old wire. I’ll say it again, monorails would be ideal for Cork, and don’t laugh like the last time I mentioned it, making jokes about the Simpsons, it’s so childish. If anyone can give me any names of who would take note of the bad transportation system in Cork, then let me know. :confused:
Oh, and didn’t I hear ages ago that the taxis were to be made uniform in the city? Ya know, like the London Cabs or the New York yellow, all that sort. Whats the story with that? Is it happening or wot?
lexington wrote::p City Properties Limited, who have recently completed what has become a very successful little venue hosting restaurants Wagamama and Captain America’s along South Main Street – are now in the final stages of completing a new bar and nightclub at the former Classic Bar premises (right next-door to Wagamama). Ridge Developments are working on the project and City Properties have launched a new website entitled “Name The Club”. The idea is that Cork’s citizens (or anyone at all) are invited to submit ideas for the new nightclub name – could be interesting, care to have your idea immortalised in Cork’s nightlife? 😮 The design of the Wagamama/Captain America’s facility seems to have been very well received – and it seems the design behind the new nightclub and bar is equally interesting. The upper level of facility is now home to a new bar called ‘Suas’. The 3rd storey bar (above Captain America’s) overlooks South Main Street with an amply spaced balcony facility. The unique timber feature which scales the building’s South Main Street facade begins at this location tipping downwards at the balcony edge. The interior design work seems to be minimalist focused (not unlike the interior of Wagamama) – with Dan Mulvihill & Co. involved in the blueprints.Would I be right in saying one of the guys in city properties also has shares in Pizza Republic, Raven, Cleavers, The Bailey, Bru, The new bar in Mount Oval and the western star?
Anyone have any images of Paul Kenny’s Treasury Office Development? Or the Dairygold complex for Mallow? Thanks 🙂
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Everyone must be gone away for the bank holiday week-end, it’s been so quiet on here these last few days. And I know I mentioned it before, but who da f*cking hell do I have to go to about the public transport in this city, or should I say the lack of it. It’s so unbeliveable. I am so serious, the city needs some sort of trolleybus or tram. The buses smell up the city and all a trolleybus would need is a ‘lil old wire. I’ll say it again, monorails would be ideal for Cork, and don’t laugh like the last time I mentioned it, making jokes about the Simpsons, it’s so childish. If anyone can give me any names of who would take note of the bad transportation system in Cork, then let me know. :confused:
I wouldn’t support trolley buses in the city. They have all the disadvantages of trams – inflexibility of route – and none of the advantages – ability to carry a large volume of people. I would fully support the introduction of Light Rail into the city.
At one point there was a thread on the Platform 11 forums about a possible route for Light Rail from the city to Ballincollig. I haven’t visited there since they made the forums only readable by members though.
I saw the new Montessori school on the Skehard Road for the first time over the weekend. I quite like it. It seems to rise above the banality that is often associated with educational buildings.
Anyone have any pictures or comments? It was hard to form a full impression when going past it on a crowded bus.
I think the last thing that should be brought into the city is a light rail network. Trams would be ideal for the suburbs but look at all the trouble the Luas caused. Drilling, digging and more noise in our newly renovated city centre isn’t very ideal for a transport system. And trolley buses can carry more then a standard bus, even more if it is a double decker trolley bus, and even better, no tracks to lay, more routes available and a clean, reliable form of transportation. Sorry if yeer all sick of listening to me, or reading me whatever, but we really need more varieties of transport in Cork.
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I think the last thing that should be brought into the city is a light rail network. Trams would be ideal for the suburbs but look at all the trouble the Luas caused. Drilling, digging and more noise in our newly renovated city centre isn’t very ideal for a transport system. And trolley buses can carry more then a standard bus, even more if it is a double decker trolley bus, and even better, no tracks to lay, more routes available and a clean, reliable form of transportation. Sorry if yeer all sick of listening to me, or reading me whatever, but we really need more varieties of transport in Cork.
There is an alternative that I saw was being trialled (in France I think). It was a trolley bus that charged a battery that could carry it for up to 20km. It meant that the bus wasn’t restricted to where there were cables and it also meant that unsightly cables could be kept out of sensitive areas.
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Anyone have any images of Paul Kenny’s Treasury Office Development? Or the Dairygold complex for Mallow? Thanks 🙂
Images are posted of The Treasury earlier in this thread and in the Look at de state of Cork, like! thread also. As for the Alchemy Properties development in Mallow, I’ll try and have some images up by Friday for you.
As for public transport in Cork –the ideal in my view would be to pedestrianise the city centre almost entirely. The city centre island is novel in that it is relatively compact and easily covered by foot. Even the concept being applied to St. Patrick’s Street, Grand Parade, Oliver Plunkett Street and Cornmarket Street is positive in my view – that is were traffic lanes are reduced or sidelined and pedestrian areas are given priority. The thing is, cars in their current form aren’t the way to go in the long run. Maybe new fuel-cell eco-efficient alternatives will be the hopeful next step. I think the streets of the city centre need to be given back to the people and less subserviant to the vehicle. Streets like Patrick’s Street and Cornmarket Street I believe should also be given hours exclusive to pedestrians – i.e. 9am to 9pm Thursdays, Fridays, Saturdays and 9am to 6pm Mondays to Wednesdays etc. I agree light-rail is not suited for the existing city centre – but in an extended city centre, to include docklands regions – I think there is room for scope – especially along Kennedy Quay, passed Pairc Ui Chaoimh and linking up with the old Blackrock line out to Mahon Point and Rochestown. Also the South City Link could be utilised to travel via Black Ash P&R and out to Bishopstown and Ballincollig. People forget that Cork was once latticed in trams and rail. Even its bridges are testimony to that history – and to be honest, I think we’ll have to look to an efficient service returning in the future. Especially along the southern docklands. With cars still around, underground parking facilities may be provided at locations in the suburbs connected by main traffic routes and transfer services into the city centre. I gasp at the thought of all those unsightly overhead powerlines – just look at Vancouver, San Francisco and Frankfurt!
Luckily the wheels are very very slowly in motion on some of these concepts.
lex, I have to say that I like your idea of a pedestrianised city centre, it’s so continental. And the docklands is a great place to start for building a new public transport system. London also has big plans for trolleybuses going from the south suburbs directly to the north suburbs with stops along the way at tube stations. Here is a picture of one of the trolleybuses that will be rolled out in London over the coming months and years.
As you can see, the over head cable’s aren’t all that big. Can’t you just see it gliding down Patrick St. and across the Lee?Sorry for not getting to this sooner – but life is hectic at the moment –
😎 Aldi Stores Developments Limited have had Further Information requested of their plans for a new residential and retail development at the Heiton Buckley site on the Tory Top Road, Ballyphehane. The details of the project are mentioned in a previous post above. A decision had been due for yesterday.
🙂 Frinailla will be shortly lodging their plans for their Dennehy’s Cross sites – which they have gathered over acquisitions, most notably that purchased from Dennehy’s Garage (which will now be relocating to a new premises) for a price-tage estimated in the 20m euro region. O’Mahony Pike Architects have designed the new residential and commercial scheme – more details will follow soon.Interesting link courtesy of The People’s Republic of Cork website on an underground system for Cork. It’s a long way off, but none the less interesting. http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/images/articles/Subway/SubwayBig.gif
Oh, and don’t forget to click on the enlarge button when you open the link. 😀🙂 Paul Kingston (Douglas) has lodged plans for the development of a full-service 96-berth marina at Castlepark in Kinsale. The plan seeks to build on the town’s nautical heritage and lifestyle – allowing for an increased capacity for private vessel berthings. The €4m euro project will also include car-parking, landscaping and quayside alterations, as well as administration and caretaker accommodation.
🙂 As mentioned in a previous post, St. Patrick’s Hospital at Marymount have lodged their plans for a new Hospice and Convent at the lands formerly controlled by Jeremiah Lynch & Family. A deal was closed through auctioneers Irish & European for a undisclosed figure, estimated at approx. €11m. The 75 bedroom hospital and 44 bed hospice will be joined by a 1,000sq m convent over 2 and 3-storey buildings – with the 6 acre site availing of full landscaping. St. Patrick’s Hospital have formally withdrawn from a scheme lodged with Rosridge Properties and Enable Ireland on lands near the Bandon Road Roundabout. The new proposal is estimated at apprx. €50m.– also, you may remember many months ago I indicated that a new private medical development for the city centre was under review. I hope to bring you formal details of the €55m project within weeks.
🙁 I know this is a little old, but the plans by Frinailla for Springmount, Glanmire have been stalled with an appeal brought against the 65 unit development of 25 apartments and 40 duplexes. The development had been greenlit by Cork County Council for the high-density zoned, 4-acre, steeply sloping site – which had been sold through auctioneers Global Properties. The Kiosk-designed scheme is being appealed by the Ballincrossig Resident’s Association (among them former C.I.F. buzzman Joe O’Brien).
:confused: It would seem O’Flynn Construction (OFC) are looking to iron-out issues with the grant for their Eglinton Street scheme – as predicted – the project has been lodged with ABP on a 1st-party basis. I’ll return with details tomorrow. 😮 🙁
😎 Mark Kelleher’s intentions for the controversial project at Westend, designed by Frank Ennis & Associates, have seen the appeal withdrawn. The project has been one of the most talked about proposals in the area and was the subject of much debate.good evening all.i haven’t posted in a while, I’m sure I was missed?
I believe the springmount project was designed by those multi talented,gifted, handsome architects pat and tony of kiosk.
its unfortunate as the scheme started out with 65 units.the planning received was for 47!
that is 12 units per acre?the appeal is signed by none other than .joe o brien.mr.o brien has done some great work in getting the coco to increase densities.
maybe he’s had a change of heart and will try to reverse all the great work he has done for the construction industry durring his distinguished career.
the design is of a very high standard I think.maybe its a case of the gamekeeper becoming the poacher?
is mr. o brien still in the cif.
lex, will you be able to post some pics. of the marina planned for kinsale later on in the week? please and thx 🙂
Unfortunately – over the past few weeks I have been pretty tied up with a great many things and haven’t been able to put the same consistency into the thread as previous. I hope I can address this when the manic perplexities calm down – so apologises for any slippage. Hope to bring the thread back up to speed, accuracy, insights etc. Improvement will come.
Did anyone see the article in the Independent yesterday regarding Cork airport and Ryanair?? Ryanair have expressed an interest in using the old terminal building as a low cost hub when the new one is up and running. Hopefully the airport authorities and Ryanair might be able to iron something out, it would be great for Cork!
First of all I really hope that Ryanair can strike a deal with Cork airport authority cos its a pity that you have to go out of shannon for the cheap flights plus it would have a great knock on affect for tourism in the region.
Has anyone heard about a so called renovation of Mallow railway station by a UK company I think they are doing a number of stations throughout the country.
On a final point does anybody else here ever wonder how they are going to fill these offices and retail units that are being proposed. At the moment you have a lot of buildings Idle look at patrick st, the roundy on cornmarket st, bachelors on the quay and the places next door next to the GATE cinema, the new building on georges quay Trinity House, the office building in Angelsea St where Anglo Irish Bank is, Owen O’Callaghans new building on Lavitts Quay, The numerous places on the new Mallow road and on the watercourse road, Wilton shopping centre has a few spots, the old tsb in wilton and many more I just worry that there is going to be a lot of derelict places around our city before were finished.
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First of all I really hope that Ryanair can strike a deal with Cork airport authority cos its a pity that you have to go out of shannon for the cheap flights plus it would have a great knock on affect for tourism in the region.
Has anyone heard about a so called renovation of Mallow railway station by a UK company I think they are doing a number of stations throughout the country.
On a final point does anybody else here ever wonder how they are going to fill these offices and retail units that are being proposed. At the moment you have a lot of buildings Idle look at patrick st, the roundy on cornmarket st, bachelors on the quay and the places next door next to the GATE cinema, the new building on georges quay Trinity House, the office building in Angelsea St where Anglo Irish Bank is, Owen O’Callaghans new building on Lavitts Quay, The numerous places on the new Mallow road and on the watercourse road, Wilton shopping centre has a few spots, the old tsb in wilton and many more I just worry that there is going to be a lot of derelict places around our city before were finished.
It’s a very good point Securityman, but I suppose from the developers point of view there are a lot of housing units coming on line in the next couple of years, this is where the “critical mass” kicks in, commercial feeds off residential and vise versa…
I would be worried if we weren’t getting high densities in the city center, but fortunately our friends in the City Council have finally grasped the concept of reverse urbanisation. A city cannot and indeed won’t survive without a “critical mass” population.
A recent trip to Detroit is proof of this, a budy said I wouldn’t belive it and he was right, it is actually unbelievable to see such a great city and it’s derelict. I admit they have gang problems, decline in motor industry etc., but the city center is practically vacant, so there is no incentive for business, it’s definetly not a case of “if you build it they will come”.
An amazing place Detriot, scarey by day, i wasn’t brave enough by night!!! Well worth a visit if your in that neck of the woods…
Getting back to our city, you may have noted in that many retail spaces have struggled, especially the leisure sector, this should hopefully be reversed by an increase in footfall population. A cheaper pint might help, but thats an argument for my puplican friends… :rolleyes:
Nightlife in Dublin has never been better, even with the scarey thought of buying a round for five people…
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